Tutorials for people coming from BoX?

[FeuerFliegen]

I've been playing BoX for a few years and am very familiar with it, which wasn't too difficult seeing as how many tutorials and other information there is about the sim and its specifics.

 

I purchased Tobruk and am having a hard time finding tutorials on it, such as YouTube videos, etc.

 

Can you guys point me towards any good resources for this?  Would love to see one that particularly helps people who are familiar with the Great Battles series.  I want to give this sim a chance, but it's been pretty frustrating lately.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

The only tutorial I saw about Tobruk are in Spanish. (Search: tutorial de arranque Desert wings Tobruk)

In any case I think the best way is to ask directly to the community what you need, here or even better on the ATAG forum...

[Thundercracker]

What is it you'd like to know? 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

Yeah, there isn’t much new content. And most of the newer stuff isn’t like the tutorials from Sheriff's Sim Shack or the Air Combat Tutorial Library. Unfortunately most of the player base has moved on through the years so the bulk of content creation has moved on too to other subjects.
 

Most of it are old videos from before Tobruk. Search Youtube for Il-2 Cliffs of Dover tutorials and you will find many videos from Phlistyle, ACG and JG4.
There are also Chuck’s guides to Blitz / pre-Blitz planes.
 

Mostly everything old applies to the new variants though.
 

For the D.520 there is a recorded stream from ATAG_Pattle (Battle of France event a fee weeks ago).

Same for the C.202 (Macchi event) and Wellington.

 

For the Hawks and Martlet I haven’t seen anything yet.

 

Edit: And also Thundercracker’s question would be a great place to start in your specific case.

I know it’s not the most effective way to bring information to new players but most here help out new players and the knowledge spreads.

Edited October 31, 2020 by 9./JG52_J-HAT

[343KKT_Kintaro]

6 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

I want to give this sim a chance, but it's been pretty frustrating lately.

 

 

From experience I know that frustration, in any simulator, comes from loneliness. I had the same experience you are having, even saying those very same words, until I started training with a squadron once a week with their TeamSpeak in the TF#3 dogfight server. I didn't want to join them officially, I didn't want to drop my old squadron tag which is 343KKT... but they were very kind and allowed me to keep my squadron tag, thus not officially joining them. Within a few weeks, if not becoming a veteran, at least I became an average level user of "Cliffs of Dover". This sim, now, makes me the happiest man on earth. I still fly sometimes in the skies of the Great Battles modules... but it's not the same. Personally I think the Dover series is the best by far.

 

The guys who trained me (the OBT squadron) are 100% French-speaking, so I don't known if they can really help you (are you fluent in French?). Otherwise, if no one in the Simulated Combat Group uses the Dover series, then try with another squadron, same as I did myself. Try asking the ATAG pilots (link to their forum, here). They are English-speakers and quite numerous I may say. Maybe one or two among them could be ready to give you some basic training...

 

By the term "training" I mean "training" in a simulation context. That latter is a software and its use doesn't deal exclusively with the handling of the planes themselves. Training with a simulator also deals with the handling of the software: how to join a server and once you joined the server how to spawn efficiently in the simulation, how to download a single-player mission and after that launch it in the game, how to use the tips that the game leaves at your disposal (maps coordinates, flashcards...), how to make sure the joystick controls you just mapped are kept in all subsequent game sessions, how to use the HUD in the game (in the Dover series the HUD windows are 100% custom! but you need to learn how to set them...). Etc.

 

Again, if no one in your squadron is ready to train you in the Dover series sim, then ask another squadron, for example the ATAG. If no one in the ATAG is free to train you... I can try myself, I'm not an expert but If I teach you what I learned, I think this should be sufficient enough for the beginning.

[5th_Hellrider]

Hi FeuerFliegen, you are right.

It seems that the developers have totally disinterested about manuals. It seems that this aspect has been totally neglected, it also seems that IL2 "Tobruk" was done only for the few Clod players (less than 100) and not for capture the attention (and be friendly) of new potential players. A very serious mistake, such as not having updated and made the menu more intuitive. 

Flashcards are embarrassing and practically useless, I do not provide any useful information, other than how to start the engine. There are no informations on the engine parameters (ata/times *). There are no informations about ammunition. There is no precise information on aircraft specifications. Etc, etc...

Obviously someone will answer that this information can be taken from manuals, from the web or somewhere else. Sure, but it's not easy and it definitely doesn't encourage new players.

Speaking clearly, the number of CloD/DW players is really low. The game is in danger of dying, especially online.

 

Said this, we have made a small guide for the Macchi 202:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2246786089&fbclid=IwAR1Iu50-BSep2_kGK3DCUmPYv-GtoCDq_sdBZob-bTIELgIYcLQ1jNysWjo

 

 

and:

 

 

 

* Parameters used in real aviation, in addition of course to that of temperatures.

Edited October 31, 2020 by 5th_Hellrider

[343KKT_Kintaro]

"Flashcards are embarrassing and practically useless, I do not provide any useful information, other than how to start the engine. There are no informations on the engine parameters (ata/times *)"

 

I'm sorry but I disagree with you, Hellrider. Flashcards are one of the strongest points in this game. If "flashcards" are named "flash" cards, it's for a good reason: you cannot concentrate more basic info in one single sheet of paper. Thanks to a flashcard, in one single screen display (or one single sheet of paper if you print the flashcard), you can read in a glimpse the bare bones of the handling of an aircraft in the game, from take off... to landing.

 

Please see the following screenshot of a flashcard (a British P-40, in this instance the Kittyhawk Mk. I, here shown as an example only):

 

 

As you see, if you print the flash card in one single A4 sheet of paper, you simply need to follow the three main boxes that are intended to the flying procedures.

 

- First box (start-up, taxi and take-off procedures): with this... you're airborne.

 

- Third box (engine management): with this... you handle your engine and all combat situations (indeed, it is obvious that you were warned you can't exceed the highest speed for a time longer than 5 minutes, nor 470 mph in a dive, and both are vital informations in a combat situation).

 

- Second box (landing procedure): with this... if you correctly followed the engine management procedures and if you survived your mission today... you return to base and you land safely.

 

The above example, the Kittyhawk flashcard in the game, shows a standard flash card which is one page in the entire pdf document. Other pages deal with navigation or with the use of gunsights on board bomber turrets (for example).

[Art-J]

@SCG_FF, If you also consider written stuff rather than videos, I'd start with taking a look at "Getting Started and Troubleshooting Guide" found in Manuals folder (if you haven't already done so). That's already more than Il-2 GB devs bothered to provide, so can't agree with comment about CloD devs being disinterested about manuals.

 

Can't agree about flashcards either. All MAP, RPM, oil, coolant and CHT limitations are given there (and ONLY there, so having them printed, or at least available on smartphone is pretty much mandatory), combined with instructions on how to use bombsights, gunner stations and nav systems.

Edited October 31, 2020 by Art-J