Tempest in Career mode - locked bomb load-out

[Tansu]

Hi,

 

Why is bomb load-out locked for the Tempest in the Career mode? 

 

And my second question when I am at it; which Soviet figher plan is the best in Kuban? I find them frustrating underpowered (engine wise).

 

Thanks!

[Diggun]

Bombs were only historically used by Tempests in the last week of the war - after the end of career. 

 

And your milage may vary, but for my money the Yak 7b is my favoured Kuban ride. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Diggun

[norsetto]

19 minutes ago, Diggun said:

Bombs were only historically used by Tempests in the last week of the war - after the end of career. 

 

And your milage may vary, but for my money the Yak 7b is my favoured Kuban ride. 

I agree with Diggun here even though I also find the spit a fun plane to fly.

[Diggun]

1 minute ago, norsetto said:

spit a fun plane to fly.

Oh god yes. VB is a joy to fly, but with only 6 secs of cannon ammo, I think the 7B is more useful as a 'general' fighter...

[Tansu]

Thanks Diggun. I figured it was something like that or that only the flight leader can make that decision. 

 

Is feeling that the german fighters are faster than the soviet correct? 

[Diggun]

Frequently. But not SO much faster by Kuban. Even 190s have a hard time running away from a 7B down low. You may not close the distance, but you can keep them on the defensive.

[=FEW=fernando11]

I like the yak 7b A LOT. But even a p39, on PvP can be fun, you can scare unaware players, that dont realize how fast it can go ( if you are not in a stedy climb) or how well it can manouver if flying fast.

Following a FW in a dive, and match it's roll rate usualy gets them a bit nervous.

[Diggun]

4 minutes ago, =FEW=fernando11 said:

But even a p39,

I need to learn me the p-39.

[twilson37]

The p-39 is fun but only at lower altitudes, can't stand my P-39 career when I am asked to escort bombers 2 out of 3 missions. The Yak-7, Yak-1b are good fighters, easy to fly, but a little underpowered, I keep wanting it to give me more than it has,. The Spit is outdated by 1943 and I have no idea how I am supposed to perform a ground attack mission in one without bombs and needing every ounce of ammo in case I get bounced by fighters on the way back which I can't outrun. That being said the Kuban theater is by far my favorite, the map is excellent, the planes all have their quirks and make each campaign a little bit different, enjoy.

[=FEW=fernando11]

1 hour ago, Diggun said:

I need to learn me the p-39.

Well. It's not easy. And sometimes very frustrating...I see it as Sort of a hibrid of a fw190/mc202... More than anything on the mentality of how to fly it.

But on the other hand, I fly mostly MP, I dont think AI will think you are an easy pray and Rush the atack...

Edited October 12, 2020 by =FEW=fernando11

[twilson37]

Funny thing about the P-39 it that is both the most heavily armed and least effectively armed planes in the game. The plane can be armed with 4 .30 cal MGs in the wings with a whopping 1000 rounds per gun, 2 .50s in the nose with 200 rds per gun and a massive 37mm gun with 30 rounds, however, the plane flies much better without the .30 so  they are generally removed, the 37mm gun is only useful in close so in a dogfight you are basically using 2 .50 MGs which is basically the same armament as a Mc202, still it is very nimble and quick at low altitudes, as well as being easy to taxi, takeoff and land with the front nose gear

[Tansu]

20 hours ago, Diggun said:

Frequently. But not SO much faster by Kuban. Even 190s have a hard time running away from a 7B down low. You may not close the distance, but you can keep them on the defensive.

 

Ok guys thanks for all the imput, appriciated!

 

So, now that I am about to try the Kuban Career and have decided to go for the YAK 7b (collectors right?) I have an other question. As I already found out I will not alway be able to close distance in a dog fight where I am chasing the tail of my opponent when in a less powerfull plane (so going round round is circles), what should I do here? When in a Tempest I can just bide my time and eventually I will be close enough to take him down, but what to do when I am just falling more and more behind? I keep finding myself in situations where I in the end have lost all

energy, on low altitude and without any kill... 

[Diggun]

5 minutes ago, Tansu said:

YAK 7b (collectors right?)

Not a collectors!

 

6 minutes ago, Tansu said:

finding myself in situations where I in the end have lost all

energy, on low altitude and without any kill... 

run away, re-climb for altitude, come back and kill them. Honestly, in a 7b your performance is similar enough to your opponent that the only time you won't catch them is when they're in a deck race away from you. Grab a little time on Berloga in the 7b if you don't believe me! She's got moves!

 

Also consider that if you're in a fair fight, you're doing it wrong. Jump em, shoot them in the back before they know you're there.

[356thFS_Melonfish]

20 hours ago, Diggun said:

Oh god yes. VB is a joy to fly, but with only 6 secs of cannon ammo, I think the 7B is more useful as a 'general' fighter...

There's a war on you know!
The Hispano had a 60 round drum, the fire rate on it is listed as 700-750 rounds per minute. it's a scary thing.
Flying in the spit for a while then switching to a german plane though it does feel like you have ammo for days.

 

 

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, Tansu said:

 

Ok guys thanks for all the imput, appriciated!

 

So, now that I am about to try the Kuban Career and have decided to go for the YAK 7b (collectors right?) I have an other question. As I already found out I will not alway be able to close distance in a dog fight where I am chasing the tail of my opponent when in a less powerfull plane (so going round round is circles), what should I do here? When in a Tempest I can just bide my time and eventually I will be close enough to take him down, but what to do when I am just falling more and more behind? I keep finding myself in situations where I in the end have lost all

energy, on low altitude and without any kill... 

 

The Yak-1B is a Collectors Plane the Yak-7B comes with Battle of Kuban. Both are fairly similar in performance so tactics between the two are going to be remarkably similar.

 

When fighting with less available power to weight you want to work on optimizing the amount of energy you spend in a fight. Tight turns burn lots of energy so do those only when you need to and not all the time. Instead you want to wear the Bf109's down and keep your altitude and speed if and when you can. Because the Yak's are not quite as capable in the power to weight ratio as Bf109's you'll want to focus on altitude and retaining that and then spending it only when it means you can get in close with the 109s. Once there a medium speed (around 300km/h) turn will be something that essentially no AI Bf109 can avoid without you pulling lead and that even human flown 109s would struggle with getting away from.

 

Yeah the Yak's are not quite as good as their German counterparts but the differences at low altitude are minimized. Yak's have excellent handling and are simple by design so that makes them very effective.

[twilson37]

I would also recommend checking out Sheriff's Sim Shack Channel on YouTube, he has made several videos on Air Combat Tactics with the different versions of the Yak. They are very helpful

[Zeev]

If we are talking about Tempest, anyone noticed that the AI is starting to drift in place making circles endlessly after landing?

[FeuerFliegen]

On 10/13/2020 at 5:48 AM, Melonfish said:

There's a war on you know!
The Hispano had a 60 round drum, the fire rate on it is listed as 700-750 rounds per minute. it's a scary thing.
Flying in the spit for a while then switching to a german plane though it does feel like you have ammo for days.

 

On 10/12/2020 at 8:52 AM, Diggun said:

Oh god yes. VB is a joy to fly, but with only 6 secs of cannon ammo, I think the 7B is more useful as a 'general' fighter...

 

 

Man, if we only got the Mk. Vc !!  120 rounds per gun, 4x (!!!) 20mm cannons.  Anyone know the history of Soviet usage of the Vc?

[LukeFF]

15 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Man, if we only got the Mk. Vc !!  120 rounds per gun, 4x (!!!) 20mm cannons.  Anyone know the history of Soviet usage of the Vc?

 

They didn't operate any Vc Spitfires.

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

 

 

 

Man, if we only got the Mk. Vc !!  120 rounds per gun, 4x (!!!) 20mm cannons.  Anyone know the history of Soviet usage of the Vc?

 

None in the VVS inventory. Just the Mark Vb.

 

Also the four cannon loadout was extremely limited and essentially part of just one convoy that went to Malta. It's not clear to me if the four cannons were intended to be used in combat or that this was just an easier way to get spares flown into Malta. I spent a while looking for instances where they were actually used that way and came up empty.

 

The C-wing versions at least did still have the advantage of 120-round belt feed instead of the 60-round drum magazines.

Edited October 15, 2020 by ShamrockOneFive

[=CFC=Conky]

Yup, the Yak-7 is a nice ride, my fav Russian kite at the moment.

 

Good hunting,

CFC Conky

[Avimimus]

On 10/12/2020 at 8:23 AM, Tansu said:

And my second question when I am at it; which Soviet figher plan is the best in Kuban? I find them frustrating underpowered (engine wise).

 

Thanks!

 

Earlier aircraft often feel weaker after flying BoBP... but the Soviet fighters in Kuban are not under-powered compared to earlier fighters... if you'd just come from the Battle of Moscow or Britain they'd feel more like hot-rods  

 

So my recommendation is to only fly mid-war planes for a few days and your perceptions will change!

 

[FeuerFliegen]

On 10/15/2020 at 3:48 PM, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

None in the VVS inventory. Just the Mark Vb.

 

Also the four cannon loadout was extremely limited and essentially part of just one convoy that went to Malta. It's not clear to me if the four cannons were intended to be used in combat or that this was just an easier way to get spares flown into Malta. I spent a while looking for instances where they were actually used that way and came up empty.

 

The C-wing versions at least did still have the advantage of 120-round belt feed instead of the 60-round drum magazines.

 

 

Thanks for the info.  Do you know why they were rare?  Did the Vc come out much later in time?

Are there any advantages to the Vb over the Vc?

 

I've just always thought of how much more amazing it would be to have the Vc over the Vb.
 

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

 

 

Thanks for the info.  Do you know why they were rare?  Did the Vc come out much later in time?

Are there any advantages to the Vb over the Vc?

 

I've just always thought of how much more amazing it would be to have the Vc over the Vb.
 

 

I'm sure there's a production table somewhere with the differences in production numbers. The Vb was by far the most produced variant and the Vc came in later in production, however, by that time production was starting to switch to the Mark IX (the first few of which were converted from the Mark Vc).

 

There are some key differences between the Vb and Vc. The .303 machine guns are in a different position, the landing gear has been slightly moved and altered, the cockpit canopy frame was adjusted, and the internal structure had been adjusted as well. So if a Vc model were to be done, I'd not be surprised if 1CGS offered it up as a separate aircraft. There'd be enough work for them to restructure it.

 

Wikipedia has a surprisingly solid outline of the different changes. There's more in several books that I have but this should suffice if you want to read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(early_Merlin-powered_variants)#C_type