scottgze Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 Very cool. A request: Is it possible to release the sheet metal parts as drawings?
propeler Posted June 22, 2021 Author Posted June 22, 2021 10 часов назад, scottgze сказал: A request: Is it possible to release the sheet metal parts as drawings? They are already on github page. https://github.com/o-devices/bldc-ffb-joystick-base/tree/main/sheet-metal-parts
scottgze Posted June 23, 2021 Posted June 23, 2021 Sorry to be a pest. I have a lathe, a mill and a pressbrake. When I go to your .dxf on github, I only see this:
propeler Posted June 24, 2021 Author Posted June 24, 2021 https://github.com/o-devices/bldc-ffb-joystick-base go there, press green button CODE then Download ZIP. Open archive and open DXF files in program of your choice 1 1
scottgze Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 Cheers mate. I'm still pretty new to Github, and I find the layout a bit confusing at times.
Gliderboy96 Posted July 2, 2021 Posted July 2, 2021 This looks brilliant! I am about to start printing the applicable parts, but wondered if the bearing arm pillows need tapping before assembly, or if the M5 bolts (attaching it to the frame) are supposed to tap themselves whilst assembling? Also, is it 3mm Aluminium used for the metal parts? Sorry for the silly questions! Thanks!
TX-Zigrat Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 It looks like everything is posted to mechanically build this joystick, but I'm a but confused on the software. If I started this project is all of the firmware and other software required available to get a functional FFB joystick? Anyone completed one yet?
propeler Posted July 3, 2021 Author Posted July 3, 2021 1 час назад, TX-Zigrat сказал: It looks like everything is posted to mechanically build this joystick, but I'm a but confused on the software. If I started this project is all of the firmware and other software required available to get a functional FFB joystick? Anyone completed one yet? Firmware and UI for settings is already there on github. Only instructions how to calibrate encoders on first start are absent. I will add them when will have some spare time. But in general everything to build your instance is there.
BuschmanJbusch Posted July 5, 2021 Posted July 5, 2021 This is amazing, and I want one..! I had researched all I could a few years ago to try to build a custom WWII force feedback stick for a home cockpit - but you did it! Congrats.. this is simply amazing.. Jamie arch@busch.ac 1
Gliderboy96 Posted July 5, 2021 Posted July 5, 2021 Hello again! I am waiting on a quote from a metal shop near me for the applicable parts. In the meantime, I am looking at the electronics and sorting the PCB. JLCPCB can only assemble one side (I guess top side is better as there are more components). I will assemble the bottom side myself, but just to clarify - In positions C10, C11, C15, C24, C14 and C34, they are labelled 0.1uF, but the component selected for each of these is a Samsung 0.22uF cap. Would you please be able to confirm whether it should be a 0.1uF or 0.22uF cap? I have also ordered the sample of AS5048 Hall Effect sensors from AMS. Do these come with the PCB pictured on the website and in the assembly file? Thanks!
DragonDaddy Posted July 5, 2021 Posted July 5, 2021 Any idea how this stick might compare to MS Sidewinder FF2 stick?
hegykc Posted July 5, 2021 Posted July 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, DragonDaddy said: Any idea how this stick might compare to MS Sidewinder FF2 stick? Depends where you come from and what you expect. MSFFB2 is 23 years old! If all you ever tried is a Saitek X-45, then MSFFB2 will be a step up. As it's the same cheap Chinese plastic, plus FFB, so an improvement. But if you had the luxury of using a TM Warthog, Virpil, VKB or Winwing, you will want to throw the MSFFB2 in the trash. That's what happened to me. After 5 years of trying out the latest and greatest, I finally caved in and got a used MSFFB2 off ebay. I've been reading for 10 years how it's the greatest stick ever produced... yeah, straight into the trash after a day of use. I'll take my Warthog, Cougar, Virpil or VKB over that 23 year old cheap piece of plastic any day. This DIY project has 2.4kg of force on a 20cm extension as I see? Well, MSFFB2 has maybe 0.1kg of force on a 5cm lever. Yeah, better than a Saitek-45 but it is garbage compared to modern day Virpil, VKB or TM in tearms of EVERYTHING else. And waaaaay worse than this DIY FFB in tearms of actual force feedback strength. MSFFB2 was indeed out of this world, and ahead of it's time, 23 years ago. Today, it's like a Ford Model T. P.S. Props to the designer. I'm already sourcing components, cannot wait to try this out. 2
aggressor Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 On 4/28/2021 at 7:46 AM, propeler said: There is a link on github page which leads to EasyEDA electronics project. Or you can use ODrive. Firmware will be available soon. As with others, looking into feasibility of this awesome project! I'd plan to use ODrive, as the cost seems fair for what it is, and looks less complicated for an electronics rookie like myself to utilize. To confirm though, the firmware works with ODrive?(and are instructions on how to load the firmware still forthcoming? ) Is there some sort of documentation planned that lays out in simplest terms what-gets-wired-to-what for ODrive?
propeler Posted October 14, 2021 Author Posted October 14, 2021 12.10.2021 в 23:14, [DBS]Browning сказал: What are those motors? Howerboard motors, the same I use in FFB Wheel project https://forum.simracing.su/topic/4400-dd-rul-iz-hoverborda-ya-sdelal-eto/
vonrickenbecker Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 1:59 PM, propeler said: That looks incredible! Would love to make one for the simpit I'm working on. I've previously attempted modifying an old MSFFB2 with planetary gearboxes to increase force output, but was not successful. This looks promising indeed! Not including the grip to go on top, what do you think the total cost would be to build this base? (I know it may be difficult to calculate, if your projects evolve as quicly as mine)
nicka117 Posted December 17, 2021 Posted December 17, 2021 Has anyone else built one of these yet? Looks awesome.
DPLuigi Posted December 19, 2021 Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) On 11/13/2020 at 4:49 PM, propeler said: [...]"May I ask about the price for the metal parts? " it cost me around 140$ including shipping here in Poland. How much did the full list of parts required to make this custom FFB joystick cost? It'd be interested to replace my aging MS Sidewinter FFB jostyck which has a cogging feel and a significant deadzone/play. A a related note, do you think a FFB rudder pedal could be adapted with 1 axis FFB using for example the hoverboard motor your refered to and designed at a low cost? My interest is in flightsim (DCS, MS FS2020) use and in particular Condor glider simulator. Thanks for sharing your projet. Edited December 19, 2021 by DPLuigi
SAG Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 Please excuse my ignorance as I have never used a FFB Stick in my life. I would love to make such a base, but two things concern me, the cost of the parts and how the stick would actually work. Does the game tell the stick how to move and react in reaction of what happens in game? or are the effects "random"? Ohh and is this base, in it's current state, a ready final "product"? I know they are probably iterating the design but is it usable in it' current state? I'm quite good with my hands, I don't always have the right tools but I make things work eventually. ?
Soilworker Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) On 1/19/2022 at 4:41 PM, SAG said: Does the game tell the stick how to move and react in reaction of what happens in game? or are the effects "random"? Hey SAG, I can only answer this bit but yes it recreates the way the stick should feel in relation to airflow over the control surfaces, giving you feedback (hence the name), it will also vibrate (really oscillate) to simulate vibration, jolts, damage, etc. I love FFB, it's the reason I modified the hell out of my G940 stick to use it in my simpit instead of getting a Virpil stick or similar. ? Edited January 21, 2022 by Soilworker Typo 2 1
SAG Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Soilworker said: I wouldn't call that a G940 anymore to be honest! I did go for a Virpil sitck but I'd love to try FFB someday. 1
Soilworker Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 4:25 PM, SAG said: I wouldn't call that a G940 anymore to be honest! Ha ha, you're probably right. ? On 1/21/2022 at 4:25 PM, SAG said: I did go for a Virpil sitck but I'd love to try FFB someday. Well if you're ever in Germany pop on over. ?
SAG Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Soilworker said: Ha ha, you're probably right. ? Well if you're ever in Germany pop on over. ? I've been telling a friend I'll visit her in Berlin for the past 6 years, maybe I'll do now ? 1
Niklas97 Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 I've got a question for u .. which mode where u using on the odrive? I've programmed everything from scratch using arduinos and I've got everything up and running.. the only thing that I'm not happy with is how close to center it returns. I'm using torque control at the moment and the feedback is really good it just doesn't recenter perfectly due to the min. torque required to make the motor move. I might be able to fiddle with the mapping and set up some kind of min torque but it kinda looks like u where using position control in your video. I have tried doing that offsetting the position the motor is at with a mapped force which kinda works but not really due to the fact that odrive increases the torque to reach the desired position till it does. Do u have any tips for me how you solved that or which mode u where using? THX
wjsmlx Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Hello Properel, congrats on this superb project! awesome work! Can you please contact me on wojciech.malara@gmail.com? im also from poland, im building glider sims, it might be good idea to cooperate.
propeler Posted May 19, 2022 Author Posted May 19, 2022 04.03.2022 в 12:34, Niklas97 сказал: which mode where u using on the odrive? I use fully custom firmware, writen by myself. So can not help with origianl ODrive modes. 1
1Sascha Posted May 19, 2022 Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) ^Holy crap! That looks .... sturdy! ? WTG, what an awesome project! S. Edited May 19, 2022 by 1Sascha
propeler Posted May 19, 2022 Author Posted May 19, 2022 3 минуты назад, 1Sascha сказал: That looks .... sturdy! It need to be so With good PSU it can produce more then 6kg force with the full lenght stick. It is around 26Nm of torque on gimbal. Previos iteration with plastic gimbal was not able to handle it.
1Sascha Posted May 19, 2022 Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, propeler said: It is around 26Nm of torque on gimbal. Previos iteration with plastic gimbal was not able to handle it. Hhmm... I wonder why...? ? Now find a way to make that thing a bit more "portable" and start selling it. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to build them fast enough for all the guys in here and in the DCS community who would want one. S. 1
minuteofdecay Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) is it possible to buy?? Edited July 12, 2022 by minuteofdecay
propeler Posted July 17, 2022 Author Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) More documentation will be added step by step, but firmware and ui are there already https://github.com/o-devices/bldc-ffb-joystick. You can build your version with it on gimbal and motors of your choice. But if you want to repeate what is already built and tested there are production files for the version with howerboard motors which capable of producing 8kg on full length stick with deflection around 160mm. More compact version with smaller 6355 motors is coming soon. Edited July 17, 2022 by propeler 1 6
propeler Posted July 22, 2022 Author Posted July 22, 2022 New version with smaller motors is checked. Same gimbal style, More compact dimensions. Height can be reduced even more by extracting controller to the separate box. Link to files for DIY will be availables soon from github page. 4
=LD=Nephrill Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Imagine a stick like that going haywire and hit you in the nutsack. ? 5
propeler Posted July 25, 2022 Author Posted July 25, 2022 https://github.com/o-devices/ffb-joystick-howerboard-motor-base all needed files to replicate it. Feel free in building your own. 1
Tinman12345 Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 Hi, I'm looking for the code too. Looks like it has disappeared.
tassotasso Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 That project amazes me FFB wheel community is already paved with so many good options to build, unfortunately we dont have that many option on fbb flight comunity(yet). Man, about your ffb firmware Do you plan to sell or share? Would it take a lot of work to be compatible with H-bridge pwm dir(like bts7960)? best regards
MYCYJIbMAHUH Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Edited December 5, 2022 by MYCYJIbMAHUH
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