Discussion of GAZ-MM 72-K and Sd.Kfz. 10/5 Flak 38 Vehicle Mounted AAA Pre-Orders

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I have visions of someone sitting many Km away from the enemy field lobbing shells onto their spawn point based on a spotter helping them get the range and direction.  Sure the enemy might find the spotter and shoot it down but it could probably remain quite high and far away and still do the job and once the gun is zero'd in it would not care if the spotter has gone.   Finding a single truck in a treeline 20Km away could prove to be near impossible.

 

These are not howitzers.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Gambit21

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I have one question:

Will we be able to use a simulator steering wheel for steering? ?

[56RAF_Roblex]

2 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

These are not howtzers.

 

No?  I thought the description said it could be used for that purpose as well.  It mentioned 'slant range' and I don't know much about army terminology.

Edited September 23, 2020 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

No?  I thought the description said it could be used for that purpose as well.

 

Small/med caliber.

Ground targets = soft targets, line of site.

[BraveSirRobin]

14 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Applauding this or not was never a point of contention. You could equally argue prioritising the Hurricane was an opportunity cost to an AA vehicle.

Though I have my preferences, this was a disinterested debate.

 

You should read Jason's most recent post.  QED

[Beazil]

1 minute ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

... Finding a single truck in a treeline 20Km away could prove to be near impossible.

 

Hitting a plane spawning on an airfield from a distance like that would be quite a feat.  So would coordinating ground fire from closer batteries from a given observation point.  Of course the rules of a given server might also prohibit such behaviour, as is their perogative.  

 

On the other hand, I'm sure there are folk who would welcome a challenge like you describe.  I'm sure it will ad another dimension to play.

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, JG51_Beazil said:

 

Hitting a plane spawning on an airfield from a distance like that would be quite a feat...

 

Indeed it would since the round won’t go that far.

[BladeMeister]

Thanks for these vehicles. Now maybe if I go online I can get a kill. LOL, I am in! 

 

S!Blade<><

[Beazil]

Just now, Gambit21 said:

 

Indeed it would since the round won’t go that far.

Hence my point. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

2 minutes ago, JG51_Beazil said:

 

Hitting a plane spawning on an airfield from a distance like that would be quite a feat.  So would coordinating ground fire from closer batteries from a given observation point.  Of course the rules of a given server might also prohibit such behaviour, as is their perogative.  

 

On the other hand, I'm sure there are folk who would welcome a challenge like you describe.  I'm sure it will ad another dimension to play.

 

I misread the range.  It seems to be only a couple of Km.   You could do more with a tank.

[Gambit21]

Just now, JG51_Beazil said:

Hence my point. 

 

It would be fun to set up a range though and have a sniper competition ??

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

You should read Jason's most recent post.  QED

 

Well, if he says so. Sounds totally impossible unless they have spare personnel: I have said the same thing to clients but I know that actually their work will be placed in the 'Things To Do' pile. Previously he has complained about a lack of people to get things done, so paint me a little skeptical, unless the new AA truck was simply uploaded into the game while the team crossed their fingers.

Edited September 23, 2020 by EAF19_Marsh

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

5 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I have visions of someone sitting many Km away from the enemy field lobbing shells onto their spawn point based on a spotter helping them get the range and direction.  Sure the enemy might find the spotter and shoot it down but it could probably remain quite high and far away and still do the job and once the gun is zero'd in it would not care if the spotter has gone.   Finding a single truck in a treeline 20Km away could prove to be near impossible.

Depending on the accuracy of human gunner I can easily see these being used the way that on the more popular servers they are not allowed, LOL.

I don't see myself buying these but on the other hand, I bought TC only for filming purposes so who knows. Maybe Air Marshal feature could bring something new to the table on the MP servers and these could have some meaningful function there, like designated "moving safe zones" or something...

[FTC_Derplo]

I think this is an absolutely excellent addition to the game! I used to play WW2OL Battleground Europe back in the day (which apparently is still alive and kicking!) and one of my favorite things to do was set up "Flak Traps." A well coordinated team could set up a wall of AA guns at an unsuspecting spot so that when friendly aircraft have a 6, they can feed the hidden AA guns. Also can set up on important Objectives, lots of opportunities. 

 

Here's a great video of what a coordinated group of AA defense can look like
 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

10 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Well, if he says so. Sounds totally impossible unless they have spare personnel: I have said the same thing to clients but I know that actually their work will be placed in the 'Things To Do' pile. Previously he has complained about a lack of people to get things done, so paint me a little skeptical, unless the new AA truck was simply uploaded into the game while the team crossed their fingers.

 

That is quite the sulky and bizarrely conceited response. 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Too bad the tank game isn't popular and the tanks move like slugs offroad, I might have bought those then.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Just now, BraveSirRobin said:

 

That is quite the sulky and bizarrely conceited response. 

 

Not really. I have been very honest and open. I am doubtful of his response, frankly, but I have stuck by my logical position and continually so shall I do.

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Not really. I have been very honest and open. I am doubtful of his response, frankly, but I have stuck by my logical position and continually so shall I do.

 

How many years have you been in software development?

[Luger1969]

Very innovative idea...I remember in the late 80's operating an AAA gun from a ship on my commodore 64.

[EAF19_Marsh]

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

How many years have you been in software development?

 

15 years.

 

You?

Edited September 23, 2020 by EAF19_Marsh

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

15 years.

 

So everyone in your company was interchangeable?  If more help was needed shipping packages they just moved programmers to the mail room?  Or vice versa when they needed more programming help?

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Pre-ordered. Can't wait to take them for a spin in the country.

 

 

[Missionbug]

I was wondering just when/if these vehicles would finally make it into the game considering they were initially declared with T.C., glad to know this aspect was not abandoned as I think it adds a little more into the overall game and I am sure there are many who will applaud it.

 

The issue for any developer is how exactly can you keep interest alive in your product, this is not necessarily the way, however, like T.C. and F.C. you need to put that toe in the water to test the temperature before diving fully in and it looks like you do not need a specific module to play with them so I would think for fairly little effort on the part of this team they should be able to manage the work in between the major projects without any serious disruption, at least I hope so.

 

Will there be this capability eventually for F.C. I wonder because these vehicle types are really only for the WWII era so far, and that said the Russian type will need to play as stand in for the allied equipment in Europe, the U.S. M16 A.A.A. was the predominate type in that theater in reality.

 

Came as a real surprise I have to say, was hoping the Hurricane was finally here, still waiting patiently, NOT.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[migmadmarine]

Now, are these vehicles the same types we have for self propelled autocannon AA as AI assets? 

[Stoopy]

44 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

With an unarmed version we could have races without worrying about someone opening fire on the others  It'd be interesting to organize a GAZ-M & Po-2 relay race!

 

I LIKE IT!   Drag races, doorslammin' "run what ya brung" competitions, road courses, opportunites abound!

 

Bring on the custom repaints... I'll take some Von Dutch pinstriping on a two-tone blend of Candy Metallic Tangerine over a Purple Pearl base, and frenched taillights.

.  

Edited September 23, 2020 by Stoopy

[Lusekofte]

Well people still think they own the franchise after buying one great battle, after stop buying things to support Pacific, I started to look at this as a shop like any other.

People should leave the priorities to Jason and his team. It is a buy or not to buy thing.

If you want orranges and he offers apples, move on

Edited September 23, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

4 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

15 years.

 

You?

 

1 minute ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

So everyone in your company was interchangeable?  If more help was needed shipping packages they just moved programmers to the mail room?  Or vice versa when they needed more programming help?

Why don't you two continue your private war via PM's or something? You have been going on for several pages, for crying out loud...

[1_Robert_]

So I’m a little confused with the wording in the announcement. On top of that there are many posts in this thread where guys are debating how they’re smarter than the next guy. That can be distracting. 
 

My confusion boils down to one simple question: Are we getting a Pacific theatre map, carrier, Hellcat, and Zero with these two guns on wheels? Or will that be a separate release?

 

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by 1_Robert_

[Ribbon]

1 minute ago, 1_Robert_ said:

So I’m a little confused with the wording in the announcement. On top of that there are many posts in this thread where guys are debating how they’re smarter than the next guy. That can be distracting. 
 

My confusion boils down to one simple question: Are we getting a Pacific theatre map, carrier, Hellcat, and Zero with these two guns on wheels? Or will that be a separate release?

Don't you see the colours on this thing, it's a Transformer....it'll transform in all that things you mentioned

 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

4 minutes ago, 1_Robert_ said:

My confusion boils down to one simple question: Are we getting a Pacific theatre map, carrier, Hellcat, and Zero with these two guns on wheels? Or will that be a separate release?

There has been no official confirmation of what will be next, after Normandy as of yet.

[LukeFF]

44 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Indeed it would since the round won’t go that far.

 

Kinda reminds of the markings on rifles from the era:

 

[=VARP=Kroat]

18 minutes ago, JG51_Beazil said:

No, but as you can see from @Control_Freq's post above, and as I alluded to earlier, this type of development is another peice of a puzzle that MAY get us there one day.  Combined arms provides opportunities for gameplay beyond flight simulation alone.  Think big picture.  I hope someday we can.

I don't know the overall direction of this project beyond what we have collectively seen, but developments that enhance play opportunities for us, AND also might attract "non-traditional" players to our genre, expand the product's mass appeal, imho.

it could be something simple like using exterior camera I am not a programmer, but if a truck can be made that can drive around is it possible to make a pilot to move around.......

[6./ZG26_Custard]

These vehicles will be released along with what we already have.

9 minutes ago, 1_Robert_ said:

My confusion boils down to one simple question: Are we getting a Pacific theatre map, carrier, Hellcat, and Zero with these two guns on wheels?

 

[Beazil]

Just now, =VARP=Kroat said:

it could be something simple like using exterior camera I am not a programmer, but if a truck can be made that can drive around is it possible to make a pilot to move around.......

No disagreement here friend.  Perhaps a modder will do this someday.  Perhaps it will come with the envisioned infantry that someday might be developed as part of tank crew, or even something else altogether. 

Then again it might not.  But it's a fun idea to play with theoretically.

There is rock/paper/scissors gameplay to be had with tanks, planes and (soon) mobile AA.  Let's see what our community can do with it.

 

[AndyJWest]

I want a Flak--88.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not in game. I want a Flak-88 for real. Complete with a large supply of rounds. So when things get too frustrating, I can let off a few, and startle the neighbours. I promise not to aim at passing A380s, as tempting as it might be.

[LukeFF]

27 minutes ago, Missionbug said:

Will there be this capability eventually for F.C. I wonder because these vehicle types are really only for the WWII era so far, and that said the Russian type will need to play as stand in for the allied equipment in Europe, the U.S. M16 A.A.A. was the predominate type in that theater in reality.

 

A playable M16 halftrack would be a great addition, since it was used not only in the AA role but also quite a bit in the ground defense role.

[=VARP=Kroat]

6 minutes ago, JG51_Beazil said:

No disagreement here friend.  Perhaps a modder will do this someday.  Perhaps it will come with the envisioned infantry that someday might be developed as part of tank crew, or even something else altogether. 

Then again it might not.  But it's a fun idea to play with theoretically.

There is rock/paper/scissors gameplay to be had with tanks, planes and (soon) mobile AA.  Let's see what our community can do with it.

 

Yeah, I understand, but I was really looking forward for some bombers like b17 or b24....not AA trucks....

[Lusekofte]

11 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

I want a Flak--88.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not in game. I want a Flak-88 for real. Complete with a large supply of rounds. So when things get too frustrating, I can let off a few, and startle the neighbours. I promise not to aim at passing A380s, as tempting as it might be.

Oh I would say , no one will notice 1 missing Airbus

[Trooper117]

Well, as excited as some people are about running around the map pew pewing at all and sundry... WHERE'S MY FLIPPIN HURRICANE?   YOU KNOW... THE PLANE WITH THE HUMP!

[=RS=Stix_09]

13 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Well, as excited as some people are about running around the map pew pewing at all and sundry... WHERE'S MY FLIPPIN HURRICANE?   YOU KNOW... THE PLANE WITH THE HUMP!

Being developed by the other team...

?

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

I misread the range.  It seems to be only a couple of Km.   You could do more with a tank.

Shell	25x218mmSR
Caliber	25 mm (0.98 in)
Elevation	-10 to +85 °
Traverse	360°
Rate of fire	240 rpm
Muzzle velocity	910 m/s (3,000 ft/s)
Maximum firing range	2,400 m (7,900 ft)

 

M1940 (72-K)

 

A simple google would have told u this...

25 mm automatic air defense gun