Discussion of GAZ-MM 72-K and Sd.Kfz. 10/5 Flak 38 Vehicle Mounted AAA Pre-Orders

[Jason_Williams]

Comrades,

 

Here is where you can discuss the pre-order announcement of the GAZ-MM 72-K and Sd.Kfz. 10/5 Flak 38 Vehicle Mounted AAA units.

 

 

Jason

[356thFS_Melonfish]

There goes the neighbourhood...

 

[AndyJWest]

Flak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Elem]

Who would have guessed?

[namhee2]

Ordered, when is the delivery??

[No_Face]

1: Yeah!
2: What will be the range of the flak? (for comparison with GAZ-MM)

 

 

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2 minutes ago, namhee2 said:

Ordered, when is the delivery??

 

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The GAZ-MM 72-K is tentatively scheduled for release by the end of the year and the Sd.Kfz. 10/5 Flak 38 by Q2 2021.

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by No_Face

[40plus]

Oh!!! Oh... Oh. ...... Frig yes!!!!!

 

Edit, purchased 

Edited September 23, 2020 by 40plus

[Feathered_IV]

Time to practice ID'ing and leading a target at 1000m

[EAF19_Marsh]

Oh.

[rowdyb00t]

HUMP DAY!!

[LuftManu]

Count me in! Somebody needs to protect the airspace in the base!

[SCG_Faerber]

Not trying to be THAT guy but when I preordered Tank Crew, these vehicles were supposed to come with it and it was one of the reasons that I got the pack as I thought anti-air would be a fun thing to do in a all out battle, I feel kinda cheated on that end and although I love your product and will support it all the way, this is kind of a bad move...

Edited September 23, 2020 by SCG_Faerber

[Jason_Williams]

3 minutes ago, SCG_Faerber said:

Not trying to be THAT guy but when I preordered Tank Crew, these vehicles were supposed to come with it and it was one of the reasons that I got the pack as I thought anti-air would be a fun thing to do in a all out battle, I feel kinda cheated on that end and although I love your product and will support it all the way, this is kind of a bad move...

 

We announced before TC went on sale that these were removed and would be sold separately. You can't feel cheated because you never paid for them. Sorry you are wrong. If you don't like, don't buy. Simple as that. Our partners don't work for free and this type of vehicle is a whole other challenge to make so they needed a separate development cycle. 

 

Jason

[BM357_TinMan]

While I understand the people who feel a bit let down by the announcement, and I even agree with those that say the price may be a bit steep, my two cents here is this:


PLEASE FIX YOUR STORE THAT IT SHOWS WHAT IS ALREADY IN YOUR LIBRARY AND WHAT IS NOT!!  This has always been a bit of a pain as you had to see what you have with the premium paks and what "collector" planes were not, what you had bought, what you had not but, if IC is going to branch out into more and more add on modules like this, other planes, and scripted campaigns, they really need to have a "in library" badge on items in their store.

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, BM357_TinMan said:

While I understand the people who feel a bit let down by the announcement, and I even agree with those that say the price may be a bit steep, my two cents here is this:


PLEASE FIX YOUR STORE THAT IT SHOWS WHAT IS ALREADY IN YOUR LIBRARY AND WHAT IS NOT!!  This has always been a bit of a pain as you had to see what you have with the premium paks and what "collector" planes were not, what you had bought, what you had not but, if IC is going to branch out into more and more add on modules like this, other planes, and scripted campaigns, they really need to have a "in library" badge on items in their store.

 

Yes this certainly would be very nice.

[Jason_Williams]

1 minute ago, BM357_TinMan said:

While I understand the people who feel a bit let down by the announcement, and I even agree with those that say the price may be a bit steep, my two cents here is this:


PLEASE FIX YOUR STORE THAT IT SHOWS WHAT IS ALREADY IN YOUR LIBRARY AND WHAT IS NOT!!  This has always been a bit of a pain as you had to see what you have with the premium paks and what "collector" planes were not, what you had bought, what you had not but, if IC is going to branch out into more and more add on modules like this, other planes, and scripted campaigns, they really need to have a "in library" badge on items in their store.

 

You do have a Licenses page in your profile. But maybe we will add this, if it's possible.

 

Jason

[namhee2]

I think it's good to develop TC further, I'm excited to see how it will grow in the future.

[BM357_TinMan]

Thanks for the reply,

3 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

You do have a Licenses page in your profile. But maybe we will add this, if it's possible.

 

Jason

but.....
Yes, I know about the licenses page but, you have to cross check it with the store and that can be a bit of a problem as, first of all this is just kind of cumbersome in itself but can be even more onerous when some collector planes are part of the premium titles that were purchased.

[Guest deleted@134347]

too much of a good thing (frequent game patches and the latest awesome Visibility update) and our community's standards for Dev's releases became too damn high!  ? ?  @Jason, it's your own doing, you are spoiling us! ?

 

I have one question:  do these vehicles require IL2 BOx  or the Tank Crew? 

 

 

[RedKestrel]

Circling a target at 3000 feet, blazing tracer carving the air in my wake, leaking fuel and coolant, trying to plan my attack against the other player currently tracking me with his guns from his mobile AA gun.

"Hump day," I mutter.

/shamelessly stolen from this post: https://uss-edsall.tumblr.com/post/181247743555/uss-edsall-youre-flying-nine-thousand-feet-over

[simfan2015]

I'm real glad TC is not abandonned after all !

Promises/features ... and more ... were kept regarding TC.

Now still hoping for a TC2 ... Battle in France, Belgium, Germany ... (?)

Thanks !

[FTC_Etherlight]

Not a fan of putting a whole branch of vehicles/aspect of a title behind a substancial paywall. With the BoX titles it was usually just different flavours (different bomber/fighter/attacker) which I am totally fine with. This is like putting attackers or bombers as a branch behind such a wall. I realize this is a third party project and things might be different from the main development products, but I hope this will not become a "thing" in the future.

[FTC_Kongoo]

This "challenge" isn´t the same as making a collector aircraft, with all it´s complexity with systems, Damage Model and Flight model. Yet it is listed at the same price...

[rowdyb00t]

Bought! Thanks guys

[forktailedflyer7]

These seem really interesting!  How will the gameplay be handled with these guys?  Is the shooter/driver different game models but controlled by the same player?  How much of the gameplay will be driving focused and how much will be shooting focused?  Are we going to be able to attach a racing wheel and drive around like that...then shoot with the mouse?

 

As I don't have tank crew...this is a less specific question...

 

Tank crew got its own map that was a little more detailed from the ground level since the tanks were going to be driving around.  These vehicles are more likely to be used on the flight maps than the tank map.  I understand that the tanks can be used on the flight maps as well, but my question here is how does the "from the ground" quality of the early maps (Stalingrad, Moscow) compare with the tank map?  Will we all be waiting the release of Normandy to have a map thats really up to snuff?

Edited September 23, 2020 by dprumph33

[I/JG54_chuishan]

I'm sorry but tons of disappointment has just hit me...

 

If it takes a special 'teaser' a day before hand to announce something that may come at the end of the year? And it's something that obviously puts the cart ahead of the horse?

 

A LOT of basic and key features are desperately needed for the Tank Crew to make it playable: Accurate armor, penetration and ballistic system? Some decent game modes specifically designed for tank battles? Manual gear box for the drivers? Correct and useful optics for tank commanders? A decent terrain interaction system to stop making tanks running on 'invisible flat tarmac'? A useful Command & Control panel for commanders to issue orders? Crew voices?

 

None of these basic features has been correctly adopted and the game experience of Tank Crew is literally broken. And now you are going to add yet another two new vehicles?

 

Those tracks are not performing satisfying enough out in the wild and yet you are going to add something runs on wheels?

 

Excuse me I just can't see the point of adding any new vehicle before you guys adopt these basic and essential features into the game, as to merely make Tank Crew playable.

[Guest deleted@134347]

4 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

This "challenge" isn´t the same as making a collector aircraft, with all it´s complexity with systems, Damage Model and Flight model. Yet it is listed at the same price...

 

I think it's an awesome addition to the game for the full real servers. Having a player controlled, maneuverable AA vehicle that can sit quiet behind some ground target ready to pounce on the unsuspecting aircraft, all of this introduces an additional dynamic to the game field.

 

some will argue that it should be already included in the base game.

 

My argument is: you want cool new stuff? Support the devs!

[No_Face]

3 minutes ago, dprumph33 said:

These seem really interesting!  How will the gameplay be handled with these guys?  Is the shooter/driver different game models but controlled by the same player?  How much of the gameplay will be driving focused and how much will be shooting focused?  Are we going to be able to attach a racing wheel and drive around like that...then shoot with the mouse?

In my opinion, it will be like a bomber for example. The pilot drives, and if you want to use the weapon, you change positions.

If you stay a pilot, the AI will fire automatically when a plane passes within range, like a gunner now.

[=RS=Funkie]

Very exciting!
Are they going to be multi-crewable?

As in, one player can drive, and you open up the gun position for another player to hop into?

 

 

[VBF-12_Pequod]

Thanks for adding more and more content to the sim.

[Sneaksie]

1 minute ago, =RS=Funkie said:

As in, one player can drive, and you open up the gun position for another player to hop into?

 

Sure, that's the whole point.

[40plus]

Not going to lie, this is a huge addition and I'm as excited as a little kid to hear additional details.

What variant of the Flak 38 will be get (how many barrels)

What crew positions will be modeled,

how will the driving -> deploy-gun process work (I hope it's not too gamey)

What is the average number of seconds I'll actually survive in these things.....lots to unpack over the coming months and I'm looking forward to it a lot.

 

Cheers Jason, happy customer!

Edited September 23, 2020 by 40plus

[FTC_Kongoo]

Just now, Didney_World said:

 

I think it's an awesome addition to the game for the full real servers. Having a player controlled, maneuverable AA vehicle that can sit quiet behind some ground target ready to pounce on the unsuspecting aircraft, all of this introduces an additional dynamic to the game field.

 

some will argue that it should be already included in the base game.

 

My argument is: you want cool new stuff? Support the devs!

Sit there and think about the gameplay for a minute. A lot of driving around. stopping at waiting for that chance to shoot up an aircraft, which by the way is very dificult to achieve if they model the balistics realistically. In theory its sounds nice, in practice not so much. Very Boring and frustrating in a MP scenario. A purchase you will make, try out a few times and never use it again.

 

On top of it they are charging a ludicrous price on it, same as collector aircraft. It´s a lazy attempt to get some more margins on their products and with less man hours to achieve it. The cost and man hours of this vehicle can´t possibly equate a collector aircraft?

 

Or have we been fooled and the amount work they put in aircraft isn´t as much as they make out to be?...

 

 

[HR_Tofolo]

Nope.

[smink1701]

Will it come with a new map… Like the Pacific?

[YoYo]

According me the price it too high.

Thx for this but not this time. If the price will be at level of 10$ it will be ok I suppose. 

This addon I would use few times at year at most, It's too expensive now

Edited September 23, 2020 by YoYo

[JG4_Widukind]

nice, i realy like to shoot Down Planes with Planes or Flak.(i like the 3,7cm)

 

But we still have other Problems in the Game ..Bombs or the Objekt damage Model.

 

 

[Guest deleted@134347]

2 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

Sit there and think about the gameplay for a minute. A lot of driving around. stopping at waiting for that chance to shoot up an aircraft, which by the way is very dificult to achieve if they model the balistics realistically. In theory its sounds nice, in practice not so much. Very Boring and frustrating in a MP scenario. A purchase you will make, try out a few times and never use it again.

 

On top of it they are charging a ludicrous price on it, same as collector aircraft. It´s a lazy attempt to get some more margins on their products and with less man hours to achieve it. The cost and man hours of this vehicle can´t possibly equate a collector aircraft?

 

Or have we been fooled and the amount work they put in aircraft isn´t as much as they make out to be?...

 

 

 

I seriously doubt anyone would be sitting in the vehicle the whole map period and waiting for the enemy planes. These vehicles will be used on the basis of the "hey, our objective shows 2 enemy planes are near, let's spawn in AA and see if we can tag those bastards... play for 5 mins, planes are gone, ok, let's get back to flying.."   etc...

 

[DBFlyguy]

Honestly pretty disappointed in this announcement.  Has Tank Crew really sold that many units to justify using supposedly limited resources on doing flak vehicles while constant requests for a collectors B-25 or C-47 continue to fall on deaf ears?

 

 

[Rjel]

Not what I expected but after the possibility was mentioned when the tanks were first introduced, this is certainly something I’ve hoped would be included at some point. I’m eager to try my hand at bird shooting again. I think it’ll be both a challenge to master and exciting to try out.