What happens with il2?

[HR_Tumu]

Lately... flying il2 i found allways same situation.

 

If my wing was hitted and a big hole apeears on it..... i lost sustentability and il2 pass to be a glider..... no engine power ( it not was damaged)  for sustain plane on air... or not wing sustentation for still flying. 

 

Any more can aprecciate it?

Edited September 18, 2020 by HRc_Tumu

[Thad]

The shape of the wings create lift so the plane can fly. Big holes in said wings ruin its airfoil shape and lift is severely compromised and drag results making it more difficult for the aircraft to stay in the air. The engine itself may be fine, but it now has to work much harder to keep the craft in the air.

[HR_Zunzun]

37 minutes ago, Thad said:

The shape of the wings create lift so the plane can fly. Big holes in said wings ruin its airfoil shape and lift is severely compromised and drag results making it more difficult for the aircraft to stay in the air. The engine itself may be fine, but it now has to work much harder to keep the craft in the air.

 

Size matters. Il2 wing surface is around 38 square smeter. That hole need to be huge to send the il2 into the ground just by lost of lift/drag.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

I personally think the DM of the IL2 is extremely accurate. In fact most DMs are accurate apart from the 109 and the guns not jamming often enough in all planes.

 

I still can take huge amounts of damage from AAA and get back home when flying IL2. The only weakness is the radiator under the nose but thats historically correct. 

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, HRc_Tumu said:

Lately... flying il2 i found allways same situation.

 

If my wing was hitted and a big hole apeears on it..... i lost sustentability and il2 pass to be a glider..... no engine power ( it not was damaged)  for sustain plane on air... or not wing sustentation for still flying. 

 

Any more can aprecciate it?

 

Reports like this mean nothing without context (i.e., was it MP or SP), tracks, and mission files.

[Mauf]

On 9/18/2020 at 4:05 PM, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

I personally think the DM of the IL2 is extremely accurate. In fact most DMs are accurate apart from the 109 and the guns not jamming often enough in all planes.

 

I still can take huge amounts of damage from AAA and get back home when flying IL2. The only weakness is the radiator under the nose but thats historically correct. 

Not correct. In game, the tailsection is quite vulnerable in so far that control over elevators is easily lost causing the IL2 to lawndart. I have seen 109 pilots specifically aiming for that too, so there are some pilots using this to conserve ammo and easily take out IL2s. Whether that's historical or not can be debated but I never heard of such a weak spot on the IL2.

[SAS_Storebror]

26 minutes ago, Mauf said:

Whether that's historical or not can be debated

Okay let's debate it.

If the tailsection was a soft spot on the IL-2, Erich Hartmann surely would have mentioned that, instead of solely recommending to shoot the oil rads from closest possible distance.

 

Mike

[[FAC]Ghost129er]

3 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Okay let's debate it.

If the tailsection was a soft spot on the IL-2, Erich Hartmann surely would have mentioned that, instead of solely recommending to shoot the oil rads from closest possible distance.

 

Mike

If the tail-section was a soft spot, Hans-Joachim Marseille would have not died lmao. ?????

[Mauf]

8 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Okay let's debate it.

If the tailsection was a soft spot on the IL-2, Erich Hartmann surely would have mentioned that, instead of solely recommending to shoot the oil rads from closest possible distance.

 

Mike

Could very well be that he noticed the oil rad first and simply tunneled on it. And then, an IL2 being hit and smashing into the ground shortly after might be attributed to many things. And it's not like they interviewed the pilot afterwards:P Problem I see is the tendency of flight sims of modelling control cables too weak. Clod is particularly guilty of this.

Edited September 21, 2020 by Mauf

[HR_Tumu]

Basically MP

 

I cant made too many test... Il2 DM is really sensible to damage... and progresive.  Wings can take damagre from 1 or 2 minesglosh... automatically plane tends to roll and lost speed but still flying.

The "glider" limit point is when takes more damage.  For example one 37mm from ground. Or more than 2 mineesglosh.

 

I mean is strange because i cant replicate same in other planes.... if any fighter take similar damge become uncontrolable. lost wint. etc. etc.... but no suffer this glidder effect.  Most similar i can explain it is when u lost one of your engines in Pe2 and the other engine starts to fail.... and you need to lost altitude for sustain speed....

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

6 hours ago, Mauf said:

Not correct. In game, the tailsection is quite vulnerable in so far that control over elevators is easily lost causing the IL2 to lawndart. I have seen 109 pilots specifically aiming for that too, so there are some pilots using this to conserve ammo and easily take out IL2s. Whether that's historical or not can be debated but I never heard of such a weak spot on the IL2.

 

Now that you mention it, yeah, thats true but not only with the IL2, its true for most planes, if you get damaged elevators or rudder, your plane quickly becomes uncontrollable. The worst one is the P-51. If your elevators get damaged, not even severly, you nosedive and cant correct it. 

 

Right now, slight damage to the tail section on most planes is worse that severe damage to the wings.

[HR_Tumu]

Finally i can do more test..

I will try to edit fast a video.

On resume.

 

All planes are sensible to wing damages , but are sensible on different levels of damage. My conclusion is il2 is more sensible than others and with less damage of level, lost more sustentation. for me in comparation wiht others, too much sensible. 

 

For test i made ONE shot to il2 wings with mk 108 ( is better than 37mm for made big hole ) , after hit 4 il2 , 3 of them crashed after few minuts becouse lost speed and sustentation.  For compare with other planes , i use Stuka.  Am recreate similar damage on wing...  after one hit, all planes still flying , are capable to fly straigh , one of them crash when try change direction..

 

I imagine, are a relation betwen power/height and suface area/ area damaged.  I want mean i don study all cases and i dont have all numbers, what i aprecciate from some patches ago, il2 become more sensible, now from structural point of view is more strong... but in comparation with other panes , are much sensible to damage  on wings and easy lost speed.

Edited September 23, 2020 by HRc_Tumu