Trim

[Ace_Pilto]

Ok, so most WW1 aircraft didn't have it, they were trimmed to fly at a certain speed on the ground by the airframe riggers but my god are they obnoxious to fly for any prolonged period in this sim. If I don't fly full tits on the throttle I can't keep up with the gang. Flying the Dr.1 on patrol has me holding the stick hard forward and to the right for over an hour. I'd really like to have an unrealistic trim option because my god is it insufferable to hold this input for so long. What do the single player, hand flyers do with these things to ease this burden? Any tips? Has anyone considered a less stupid cruising speed for the AI? My elbow would apprecate any input.

Edited September 17, 2020 by Ace_Pilto

[Zooropa_Fly]

The Dr1 suffers most from this.

The easy cure is using a joystick with low resistance.

I went from a Warthog to a VirPil a while back and it's 10x the stick, as well as having a light action (it comes with 3 sets of cams and springs).

If you have the former then keeping a Dr1 level will be hard work.

An extension on a Warty helps a little, but they pose an increased risk of damage to an already fragile interior.

An old ffb2 I expect would be good in a Dr1, and VKB I expect to be similar to the VirPil - with slightly better build quality.

VKB and the Virp are fair sized investments though, but well worth a look !

 

I believe there's 3rd party software that can assist but I know nothing about it..

 

S!

[Ace_Pilto]

I have an X-52 and the input required for level flight at full throttle is ridiculous. Not even superman would be expected to hold that much deflection on the controls without getting tired. Generaly, If I was just flying on my own I'd find the best trim by reducing the throttle to the most stable speed but dealing with Full throttle AI comrades and having to keep up because Pat Wilson wants to murder me with droves of enemies is very trying. I really think that the aircraft should be restricted to the cruise speed that they are rigged for intead of this idiotic full throttle everywhere, all the time nonsense!

Edited September 17, 2020 by Ace_Pilto

[Rail]

Well, that is why they invented in-flight trim via a trimwheel. Prior to that you really did have to fight the joystick all the way. The AI don't have muscles that tire. An alternative is a joystick with a built-in trimwheel but I understand that you can reset the joystick central position, meaning that you can actually change it relative to the central position of the horizontal stabilizer, via the windows calibration tool in the control panel. I'm sure that there is a post explaining the full procedure on this forum somewhere...ROF enabled you to change the pitch curve in-game.

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Rail

[Wanderfalke]

The procedure is a bit cumbersome , but you can try this:

 

[Satans_Angel]

If you have a thrustmaster you can use a J curve with the T.A.R.G.T. software.  It tames your elevator. you can actually make it go down without pushing the stick:)  You can do so many things with Thrust masters target software !  I was going to write off FC because of the DR1 and other lack of controls.  I would never have put up a server if not for the T.A.R.G.T. software for my stick, throttle, and pedals. I actually have my DR1 set to the point that can let go of the stick and fly level.

Edited September 17, 2020 by Wanderlust

[Guest deleted@83466]

You should save those T.A.R.G.E.T. tricks for when they make Flying Circus:1919, and then the Germans can incorporate their revolutionary Fly By Wire control computer into the DR.I, known as the DR.I-B.

[Satans_Angel]

It is a real concern for a bunch of people. Just trying to help them out. They asked the question and I gave them a response.

[Rail]

On 9/18/2020 at 2:17 AM, Wanderlust said:

It is a real concern for a bunch of people. Just trying to help them out. They asked the question and I gave them a response.

You are correct. It is a joystick issue and not an FM issue. WW1 aircraft did not actually have a fixed 'central position' as do our modern spring-loaded, gaming joysticks.  The flight attitude (relative to airflow) is controlled by the inclination of the horizontal stabilizer and it is airspeed dependent. The elevator simply allows you to manually alter the flight attitude (angle of attack).

Cheers.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Rail

[Lusekofte]

On 9/22/2020 at 10:00 AM, Rail said:

You are correct. It is a joystick issue and not an FM issue. WW1 aircraft did not actually have a fixed 'central position' as do our modern spring-loaded,

Hydrolic damped non centering stick make all the difference

[Rail]

On 9/26/2020 at 4:51 PM, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Hydrolic damped non centering stick make all the difference

 

That would do it!!!

 

[messsucher]

On 9/26/2020 at 6:51 PM, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Hydrolic damped non centering stick make all the difference

 

Very nice gear.

[Lusekofte]

This is part of maxflightstick huey pack. Meant for choppers and has a collective too. I ordered one stick from poland costing much less that has optionable centering

 

[Zooropa_Fly]

On 9/26/2020 at 4:51 PM, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Hydrolic damped non centering stick make all the difference

 

That looks great.

Time you cleaned up the floor though.

 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

That's pretty impressive.

[Pruciak]

On 9/17/2020 at 11:31 PM, Wanderlust said:

If you have a thrustmaster you can use a J curve with the T.A.R.G.T. software.  It tames your elevator. you can actually make it go down without pushing the stick:)  You can do so many things with Thrust masters target software !  I was going to write off FC because of the DR1 and other lack of controls.  I would never have put up a server if not for the T.A.R.G.T. software for my stick, throttle, and pedals. I actually have my DR1 set to the point that can let go of the stick and fly level.

Thx man! A real game changer for me. By the way a shame they didn't incorporate some kind of fake trim or curves like in ROF. It's not like everyone is having a no-center point joystick with force feedback.