Tips for the Dora?

[Porkins]

I just bought the Dora on a Steam sale. One review I read said it is much less subject to spin than the earlier FW variants, which is why I bought it. In flying it a few times, I don't see it. I still spin out quite a bit and I have to be really light on the stick with it while turning. Still feels extremely touchy compared to the 109 or a Spitfire. Is that just how the plane is, or am I doing something wrong? I typically fly on a half tank of gas to try and give the plane more agility. 

[D3adCZE]

From my experience, the control input must be smooth, do not jerk the stick. You will eventually get better. Just give it time. Do not forget that Dora is rather nose heavy, so that is playing certain role as well.

[SCG_ErwinP]

Avoid furball!!

Use (all 190) as a energy-fighter: flight high*, dive fast and take one burst into enemy's plane, go ahead without turning, climb, dive again.

 

Try to flight together a wingman.

 

I recommend jg13_opcode YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClEhZnjo3YNTuvJ1He2-2Lg

He's a really great pilot and you will learn quite a bit

 

* Or at least, at a good alt to dive/go away if you get engaged by a enemy

[FTC_Zero]

It is extremely obvious that you force your FW190 to turn, probably mostly just before shooting your cannons and then stall. If you come to a situation where you spin your fw190 then you are doing something wrong. Stay fast, be gentle with your stick and save energy, it is very manuverable at high speed and there the 190 feels very comfy. The tricky part is to improve deflection shooting from high angle of attacks and proper repositions. Also know how lag and lead persuit etc. works. As we now, the stall comes pretty sudden, however you can easily hear the rumbling sound queue. If you are in that area put away pressure from your stick, there is almost no room before stalling. But for advanced pilots this aggressive stalling behaviour is great for snap rolls with intentionally forced spins, but that's another topic.

 

You should not get that habit at all, but you improve your continuous turn by full throttle, not decreasing it, but that is for every plane, don't know why many have that idea. 

 

Otherwise, what joystick do you have and what are the sensitivity settings on your axis? Ideally sensitivity should be on 0% meaning fully linear input. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by ZeroCrack01

[Bremspropeller]

On 9/8/2020 at 6:17 PM, Porkins said:

In flying it a few times, I don't see it. I still spin out quite a bit and I have to be really light on the stick with it while turning. Still feels extremely touchy compared to the 109 or a Spitfire.

 

The Dora has a duckton of torque - especially when using MW50.

Sometimes, disengaging boost when going slow over the top helps a lot in the controllability-department.

 

Make sure you're conscious of your CoG. Higher fuel- and MW50-loads will have your CoG in a pretty aft position, making the airplane way more susceptible to stalls/ incipient spins.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[Mandoble]

- As soon as you start the engine activate the Boost key, so that every time to go in Emergency power you have MW50.

- Map a button to have your head all the way back and up with the bubble canopy, Dora gives you room to have a quite decent view over the nose for snap shots.

- If you are under 500 Kph,  you are un trouble.

- Over 500Kph you can outzoom most planes (don't try vs Spit IX or newer with 150 Oct).

- Even with MW50 your initial acceleration is not on par with 109s.

- Against spits, outrun them, turn and HO from long range, Dora is far more accurate over 600m. Of course you might try your luck with scissors but normally the Spit will break in a second and will be in your tail in the second second.

- You can turn with P51s, P47s and Tempest, everything else will outturn you easily, specially the Spits and Yaks.

- If you notice even the slightest vibration, be ready to quickly compensate with rudder and stick because one of your wings will drop abruptly, you can use this as an evasion trick as well.

- If you invert and push the stick to go inverted while going vertical your engine will stop, as well as the engine of any other plane following your move, but in this particular case you can outzoom even the Spit (seconds later your engine will restart automatically, and the engine of the pursuer as well).

[oc2209]

On 9/8/2020 at 9:17 AM, Porkins said:

I just bought the Dora on a Steam sale. One review I read said it is much less subject to spin than the earlier FW variants, which is why I bought it. In flying it a few times, I don't see it. I still spin out quite a bit and I have to be really light on the stick with it while turning. Still feels extremely touchy compared to the 109 or a Spitfire. Is that just how the plane is, or am I doing something wrong? I typically fly on a half tank of gas to try and give the plane more agility. 

 

I've never thought of using the 190D on half fuel. Mainly because I've never had trouble flying it.

 

How many different 190 variants do you own? If you're stalling on the A3 or A5, you're probably over-controlling. I'd say the same for the D. The only really vicious stall/spinner is the A8, in my mind.

 

My only advice for the D would be to keep your speed over 200mph (sorry, I don't pay attention to kph) while turning, keep your throttle up, and enter the turns cleanly. By which I mean, start from a level attitude, roll to 90 degrees as near as you can, and then enter the turn. That's important in any plane, but probably more so in the 190.

[Porkins]

On 9/12/2020 at 6:36 PM, oc2209 said:

 

I've never thought of using the 190D on half fuel. Mainly because I've never had trouble flying it.

 

How many different 190 variants do you own? If you're stalling on the A3 or A5, you're probably over-controlling. I'd say the same for the D. The only really vicious stall/spinner is the A8, in my mind.

 

My only advice for the D would be to keep your speed over 200mph (sorry, I don't pay attention to kph) while turning, keep your throttle up, and enter the turns cleanly. By which I mean, start from a level attitude, roll to 90 degrees as near as you can, and then enter the turn. That's important in any plane, but probably more so in the 190.

Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. I've never thought about turning cleanly, so will give that a try. In answer to your question, I tend to spin all of the 190's, I'm kind of amazed you have not had any problems with them. It may just be me. Or maybe I need to tune my flight stick. 

[Mandoble]

1 hour ago, Porkins said:

Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. I've never thought about turning cleanly, so will give that a try. In answer to your question, I tend to spin all of the 190's, I'm kind of amazed you have not had any problems with them. It may just be me. Or maybe I need to tune my flight stick. 

It is not you, it is normal. As soon as you exceed its max AOA you will have a wing dropping/spin. And exceeding max AOA is really easy in 190s. That is actually quite related to "enter the turn cleanly".

[Ace_Pilto]

Not pulling below 350kph is always a good strat for me. If you get it up to 400+ you can even start to pull hard. It's a pig of a thing dude but master it and you're untouchable. (unless you meet a good P-51 guy)

Edited September 17, 2020 by Ace_Pilto

[D3adCZE]

Well, the rule of thumb is same as for Mustang. Do not go below 300MPH (480KPH). Optimal for combat is staying between 400MPH (640KPH) to 500MPH(800). 
 

Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. 
that doesnt mean that Dora hasn’t few tricks up it’s sleeve for slow speed fighting like snap rolls etc.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

Just for general knowledge, EVERY plane (in this game) that has horizontal stabilizers or pitch trim tabs has said "tabs" set for optimal cruise speed when they spawn in, instead of neutral or takeoff rigging.  This makes alot of planes seem very nose heavy below a certain speed, which in turn, often causes pilots to constantly "ride back" on the stick when below that speed to just keep it level.  The end result of this is that even though your are flying level, you are also unnecessarily loading-up on the elevator which can cause over-loading to happen more quickly when trying harder maneuvers at speeds lower than the spawn-in default trim is preset to.   ALWAYS mind your trim settings through the entire range of speed the plane is capable of.  Don't worry about it as closely if you're in combat, of course but, don't be afraid to make small adjustments to help with the workload from time to time. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

On 9/12/2020 at 5:30 PM, Mandoble said:

- As soon as you start the engine activate the Boost key, so that every time to go in Emergency power you have MW50.

 

 

Are you absolutely sure about this?  I've always operated under the assumption that when you activate the MW50, it starts spraying the stuff into the supercharger regardless of throttle setting and that you are using up the fluid even if you are idling.  Can other users of the D9 confirm that the system is only "armed" but not actually activated until you push the throttle up close to maximum?

[Mandoble]

On 10/3/2020 at 8:53 PM, SeaSerpent said:

 

Are you absolutely sure about this?  I've always operated under the assumption that when you activate the MW50, it starts spraying the stuff into the supercharger regardless of throttle setting and that you are using up the fluid even if you are idling.  Can other users of the D9 confirm that the system is only "armed" but not actually activated until you push the throttle up close to maximum?

 

You might try yourself, activate boost after starting the engine and just wait there on idle until MW50 tank gets empty (which should not happen). 

[FTC_Zero]

1 hour ago, Mandoble said:

 

You might try yourself, activate boost after starting the engine and just wait there on idle until MW50 tank gets empty (which should not happen). 

 

On 10/3/2020 at 8:53 PM, SeaSerpent said:

 

Are you absolutely sure about this?  I've always operated under the assumption that when you activate the MW50, it starts spraying the stuff into the supercharger regardless of throttle setting and that you are using up the fluid even if you are idling.  Can other users of the D9 confirm that the system is only "armed" but not actually activated until you push the throttle up close to maximum?

According to the DCS FW190D9 manual, MW50 injection is regulated automatically if switched on. I personally only activate the MW50 switch if really needed. It is much more convenient to push full throttle and have your maximum combat power unlike in the 109 where you share your full throttle range with WEP.

[Barnacles]

There's an MW50 system pressure gauge in the cockpit. It only seems to register a reading if the throttle is fully forward AND the MW50 switch is on. If the throttle lever is not near 100% it doesn't matter if the switch is on or not. The guage remains at zero.

[FTC_Zero]

18 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

There's an MW50 system pressure gauge in the cockpit. It only seems to register a reading if the throttle is fully forward AND the MW50 switch is on. If the throttle lever is not near 100% it doesn't matter if the switch is on or not. The guage remains at zero.

✓and that is a dead giveaway if MW50 is spraying we or not. Allowed pressure is between 0,4 and 0,6 kg/cm^2. I see no sense in it if the system would continue to inject in lower throttle settings and do not display such important gauge

Edited October 6, 2020 by ZeroCrack01