Differences between the Yak-1B and Yak-9.

[oc2209]

With the latest sale going on, I'm weighing my options.

 

Is there any advantage the Yak-1B has over the Yak-9? I see the tiny amount of extra ammo, and the small speed and climb differences. But the Yak-9 has a better turn rate, which I really want.

 

My question: is there any distinct advantage in handling the 1B has to differentiate it from the 9? On paper, it'd appear the 1B handles just about the same as the 9T; and with the 9T's gun, obviously it'd be the clear choice. Likewise, the plain 9 turns tighter, as I mentioned above. I therefore see no real purpose in the 1B (unless someone can explain it).

 

If this has been discussed elsewhere, sorry; my search came up with nothing.

[FTC_Mephisto]

Take Yak-9 (not T):

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2020/05/24/yak-9-and-yak-9t-collector-plane-review/

 

Climb rate is key. 

[CountZero]

You can stay in dive longer behined enemy in Yak-9 then in Yak-1b before you start losing control parts. Yak-1b is faster in strait line abow ~4km. 

If i have Yak-9 i would not get Yak-1b for full price, i would get it on sale like its now.

If i have Yak-1b i would not get Yak-9, i would wait for 50%+ sale or higher.

Edited September 2, 2020 by CountZero

[ShamrockOneFive]

From a purely numbers based performance standpoint there's little difference between the Yak-1B Series 127 and the Yak-9 Series 1. There are definitely some handling differences with the slightly better turn rate and the higher dive speed potential and that ensures that both aircraft have their own character.

 

If you only care about performance then there isn't much to choose on. If you're interested in the historical aspect the Yak-9 is such a consequential fighter type that it is worth having. The Yak-9T of course is very similar to the basic Yak-9 but with the 37mm cannon which is easily one of the most destructive anti-aircraft weapons in the game. No potato launcher there.

 

With them all being on sale the pricing is pretty hard to pass up.

[EAF19_Marsh]

9T looks cooler. The further-aft cockpit position to my eye really balances the aesthetic.

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5 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

9T looks cooler. The further-aft cockpit position to my eye really balances the aesthetic.

 

9T flies completely differently though, the elevator response is very week and to make any kind of sharp turns you must use the stabilizer on the axis..

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 minutes ago, Didney_World said:

 

9T flies completely differently though, the elevator response is very week and to make any kind of sharp turns you must use the stabilizer on the axis..

 

I’ll take your word for it - I did some circuits but that was it.

[Guest deleted@134347]

15 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

I’ll take your word for it - I did some circuits but that was it.

 

it is an interesting plane to fly. Because of the low elevator input it's not easy to put the pilot in to a G-loc, even at pretty high speed. Conversely, it becomes a lawn dart if you don't use the stabilizer..    flying it in Berloga (MP server) is awesome as it can put down those pesky 190's with their evasive push/pull maneuvers with a single 37mm shot.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by Didney_World

[EAF19_Marsh]

Thanks. I have not flown in a long time but I hope so soon: much obliged for the advice ?

[312_Lazy]

10 hours ago, oc2209 said:

is there any distinct advantage in handling the 1B has to differentiate it from the 9?

Yak-1B has noticeably better elevator authority at high speeds.

[CountZero]

To me also Yak-9T looks the best out of ones we have in game.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

It seems to me that the Yak-9 is a bit stiffer to control at higher speeds and the 9T is obviously more nose-heavy.  The 9's also seem to have a much better cooling system (both oil and water).

The 9T is much better at handling sudden pull-up maneuvers when dodging trees and buildings.  The 1B seems to have a stronger tendency to "snap stall" when there is overloading on the control surfaces at low and mid speeds.  

[oc2209]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

 

From my perspective, pretty much the only temptation for the 1B is that it's on sale for a steeper discount. But that hardly justifies buying something that won't be vastly different from what I already have access to (currently the Yak-7 is the most advanced version I have).

 

I want both versions of the Yak-9, but even with the sale, I'd rather not buy both right now (maybe wait for a better discount later). So if I have to make only one impulse buy right now, I want to make it count.

 

The 37mm would definitely make the Yak experience totally different than what I'm used to. If you want to use the 109F4 versus the G6 (with a 30mm) for analogy purposes, I'm guessing the Yak-9 is more enjoyable to fly, but the 9T is more fun to blow things up with.

 

My main problem with Russian guns (besides low ammo count) is that the 20mm feels about as effective as the German 15mm. The German 20mm seems much more destructive to me (forgetting real world reasons why this might be so, I'm strictly speaking of my game perspective here).

 

I've been quite literally parked behind a 109, firing very accurately into its 'guts', only to break and find the 109 still somewhat controllable. If I were in a 109 doing the same to a Yak, the Yak's pilot would be dead, or it'd be on fire, or usually both. In fact, I even took a screen of one such occasion, because I was so incredulous:

 

 

Ignoring the possibility that the 109's damage model might be the issue here, I see no reason why a very short burst from this angle and distance shouldn't be instantly fatal to either the plane or pilot. I'm also aware of the fact that if I fired at the precise moment this screen was taken, I'd shoot under the fuselage. But trust me, I hit him squarely before this.

 

So, yeah... I'm leaning towards the giant gun, handling be damned. What attracted me most to the plain Yak-9 was the possibility of turning as tight as a Spitfire, but with all nose guns; but if I really can't efficiently kill what I out-turn, then what's the point?

 

Oh, by the way: has anyone ever damaged themselves by firing the 37mm too close to their target? Believe it or not, I've actually damaged my own 109 by firing a 20mm inches away from the target (yet not colliding). So I'm thinking the chances of blowback with a 37mm are that much greater. And I'm not talking about pieces of your target hitting you; I mean shrapnel from your own cannon shell as it explodes upon your target.

[oc2209]

Oh, dear.

 

I bought the Yak-9T.

 

My first quick battle, I took 9 shots to drop a 109G-6 at close range. With the default iron sights. 

 

My second battle, the AI (on ace) tried to escape me in a high climbing turn. This was the result after one shot (I'm in the lower mid-screen):

 

 

I thought: 'okay, beginner's luck with that shot.' Then I sent up a Fw-190A-5. This was the result after two shots (I'm barely visible just beneath the Fw's engine):

 

 

How the Fw kill looked from my cockpit:

 

 

My verdict: I... um... I think the 37mm and I will get along quite nicely.

 

*edit: for clarity, I should mention: I only use HE ammo, and when I say the shots per kill, I mean how many times I fired. Each kill took only one hit.

Edited September 3, 2020 by oc2209

[Guest deleted@134347]

10 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

My verdict: I... um... I think the 37mm and I will get along quite nicely.

 

*edit: for clarity, I should mention: I only use HE ammo, and when I say the shots per kill, I mean how many times I fired. Each kill took only one hit.

 

37mm has its perks but also due to some weird DM I noticed this:

 

- 109/190 can take 2 or even 3 shots of 37mm into its core before it goes down

- however it requires only 1 shot of 37mm to tear a wing from any plane...

[oc2209]

5 hours ago, Didney_World said:

 

37mm has its perks but also due to some weird DM I noticed this:

 

- 109/190 can take 2 or even 3 shots of 37mm into its core before it goes down

- however it requires only 1 shot of 37mm to tear a wing from any plane...

 

Right, I've noticed this pattern as well. I consider the tail and wings the prime targets for one-hit kills. I was disappointed when I struck an HE-111 from below, in its fuselage between the tail and the ventral gun, only to find that it was so indifferent to the damage, it didn't even release its bombs to abort its mission. I hit another HE-111 on the trailing wing edge of both wings, only to have it lose fuel but otherwise be perfectly flyable. I guess at least one engine or cockpit strike is necessary to really hurt a bomber.

 

After trying the 37mm in a few career sorties, I'm finding it's harder to aim in group fights as opposed to 1v1 in quick battles. Chiefly because I have to worry about being bounced every time I wait patiently to set up a 1km sniper shot.

 

Still, I'm happy with the plane. It actually turns very nicely and handles well in other respects; my only real complaint about it is what I feel about all Yaks (at least before we get the Yak-3): they feel underpowered in terms of acceleration. 109s can be on your ass in a heartbeat, and zip away leaving you in the dust. It takes a fairly long time to catch up to them and put yourself in a good firing position (I don't consider 500-1000m shots a good position, even if I can occasionally succeed with them).

 

The La-5FN, by contrast, has all the engine you could want (at low-mid altitude anyway); but I prefer the Yak's handling overall. The Yak's an almost perfect plane, aside from that extra bit of engine oomph I'd like. I even prefer it to the Spitfire's handling.

 

As a pointless aside: I wish there was a 23mm Yak-9T variant. Save weight, have a more powerful gun than the usual 20mm, and maybe fit some more ammo in the space made by the extra nose length.

[Guest deleted@134347]

4 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

The La-5FN, by contrast, has all the engine you could want (at low-mid altitude anyway); but I prefer the Yak's handling overall.

 

I find FN much more superior to any Yak in any situation. It handles exceptionally well at high speeds and in slow/low furballs with vertical yoyo's and scissors and that's against very very skilled human pilots (in MP obviously). But it can only be achieved with a three-pronged approach:  throttle, stabilizer, and flaps.  Yak is a lot less needy during the upclose and personal fights but as you've already mentioned it lacks the acceleration, and that's quite important in any situation.

[oc2209]

23 minutes ago, Didney_World said:

 

I find FN much more superior to any Yak in any situation. It handles exceptionally well at high speeds and in slow/low furballs with vertical yoyo's and scissors and that's against very very skilled human pilots (in MP obviously). But it can only be achieved with a three-pronged approach:  throttle, stabilizer, and flaps.  Yak is a lot less needy during the upclose and personal fights but as you've already mentioned it lacks the acceleration, and that's quite important in any situation.

 

That all makes sense. It's also why the Yak was a favorite among novice pilots.

 

Unfortunately (for the purposes of this game and career mode in particular), by the time the best Yak variants were made, the war was practically over.

[von_Tom]

 

To the OP.

 

My personal preference is the Yak-9 because the elevator authority at higher speeds appears reduced.  This means smoother turns and more energy maintained.  At slower speeds it turns into a 1b.

 

Purely subjective feelings of course but it "fits" me better.

 

von Tom

[ACG_PanzerVI]

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