MC.202 flat spin

[ATAG_Flare]

1 hour ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Italians have focused heavily on 12.7 mm caliber. I believe they are the only nation, or one of the few, to have HE mutions of that caliber.
Probably installing the 12.7 SAFATs on wings would have been better than 7.7. But maybe the pilots wanted more a racing plane than a war plane, so: less is more!

 

Shooting in deflection in game is really difficult (because of these MGs), and it had to be in reality as well.

 

Germany did also have explosive rounds for the 13mm MG131.

[FTC_Karaya]

As did the Japanese who used the same calibre (12.7x81SR, essentially the .50 Vickers) as the Italians on their Ho-103 machine guns. Their HE round was loosely based on the Italian round but with several detail improvements.

 

See also here:
http://www.doug-and-dusty.com/Head_Stamps/Japanese 12.7x81SR.pdf

[4SCT_V-Twin]

On 9/21/2020 at 10:05 AM, 4SCT_CR42Falco said:

I still have to understand what the best choice looks like, thuogh.

And like me you will not until you finally hit something...?

 

9 hours ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Italians have focused heavily on 12.7 mm caliber. I believe they are the only nation, or one of the few, to have HE mutions of that caliber.
Probably installing the 12.7 SAFATs on wings would have been better than 7.7. But maybe the pilots wanted more a racing plane than a war plane, so: less is more!

 

Shooting in deflection in game is really difficult (because of these MGs), and it had to be in reality as well.

Having the MG's on the nose was viewed as an aid to the average pilot since he had not to deal with the convergence. The bullet travelled straight (except for the gravity drop, but I've read somewere that the trajectory was considered flat up to 300m, if I manage to find the article I'll post it), so aiming was easier. Italian pilots were NOT trained to deflection shot (well, it can be said that they weren't trained at all, since the shooting training was to shoot at a bunch of balloons...) and basically the tactic was to glue to the enemy's six and shoot. In this condition the two Bredas were adequate. Moreover, since the engines were at least one year behind the opponent's, with a lack of at least 200/300 hp, saving weight was crucial, so neither cannons, nor mg's where fitted in the wings (as previously mentioned the two 7,7 were often dumped). Only with the availability of the DB605 there was sufficient power to adopt cannons: the standard armament planned for the Serie 5 fighters was 3x20 mm + 2x12,7mm. The C205 received only 2x20mm since it was not a real "Serie 5", but a C202 with the DB605 and could not accomodate the cannon in the nose. Actually, at the beginning it was named C202V, where V was for Veloce, fast (the real Macchi Serie 5 was the C205 Orione, but this is another story), and was accepted as Serie 5 because of the possibility to immediatly start the production, whereas the production lines for the G55 and the Re2005 had to be prepared.

Edited September 22, 2020 by 4SCT_V-Twin

[4SCT_CR42Falco]

 

10 hours ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Shooting in deflection in game is really difficult (because of these MGs), and it had to be in reality as well.

 

It was so difficult that the pilots didn't come to the idea of doing it. After fighter school where they had some go at floating balloons and had mockfights where their goal was to "suck the tail" of the opponent they stuck to it, chasing the tail avoiding high deflection. Of course they did know that while turning they had to aim well forward to the opponent but high deflection was considered simply not faisable, like the Regia Marina didn't deemed night fighting possible. It is also worth saying that allied pilots used high deflection also accounting for the high dispersion of the "n-thousand" weapons they were carrying 

13 hours ago, 5th_Barone said:

 

On 9/21/2020 at 10:05 AM, 4SCT_CR42Falco said:

I won't challenge how the Bredas are modelled in the game

I absolutely didn't. That's why I said "And that's historically accurate". I think they are really well represented in-game (but they already were in old clod/blitz).

I wasn't hinting at the fact that you did, sorry if it sounded like this.

[5th_Hellrider]

Here an interesting website about ammunitions:

https://www.munizioni.eu/italiane2/13-italiane/287-12-7-breda-mod-35.html#