Tracers in every round?

[blockheadgreen_]

Why is it that with the Hispano that all rounds have tracer? In reality only specific tracer rounds or HEI-T rounds possessed it, and even then the RAF seldom used tracer in Hispano armed aircraft.

 

I believe the same is also true of the AN/M2 .50 cals in the P-40s and Martlet. Will tracer-less options be introduced at any point?

[69thSpiritus]

You can change your belts to whatever you'd like in the loadout section of each aircraft. 

[blockheadgreen_]

16 minutes ago, 69thSpiritus said:

You can change your belts to whatever you'd like in the loadout section of each aircraft. 

 

I'm aware, it's just the fact that every available round possesses tracer. I prefer to go tracerless but currently I'm only able to do this with the 303 and MG17/FF/151s.

[69thSpiritus]

Not sure what the issue is, my Martlet only has tracer rounds in the inboard guns, every 5th round. Works. 

 

 

[blockheadgreen_]

28 minutes ago, 69thSpiritus said:

Not sure what the issue is, my Martlet only has tracer rounds in the inboard guns, every 5th round. Works. 

 

 

Yup I was incorrect about the 50 cals, I had a go in MP and it worked fine in the Martlet and P-40. Still a bit miffed that the Hispanos don't have complete belt options though.

[Buzzsaw]

3 hours ago, Lythronax said:

Yup I was incorrect about the 50 cals, I had a go in MP and it worked fine in the Martlet and P-40. Still a bit miffed that the Hispanos don't have complete belt options though.

The Hispano has two rounds at this point.

 

'Ball', which has tracer.

 

'HE', which does not.

 

If you do not want tracer, load only HE.

[blockheadgreen_]

3 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

The Hispano has two rounds at this point.

 

'Ball', which has tracer.

 

'HE', which does not.

 

If you do not want tracer, load only HE.

I realised my mistake after trying it out in MP properly! Apologies for the ignorance.

[=RS=Stix_09]

On 8/14/2020 at 10:40 AM, Buzzsaw said:

The Hispano has two rounds at this point.

 

'Ball', which has tracer.

 

'HE', which does not.

 

If you do not want tracer, load only HE.

 

Do you know of any reference material online for the Hispano cannon round types? Google is so polluted these days with paid advertising its not easy to find anything.

found this
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/76728-british-hispano-20mm-ammo-a-guide/

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

I have a manual of Hispano ammo, but it is for the cannon used on Tempest/Sea Fury/Vampire etc. 

[DavePro]

On 8/26/2020 at 12:01 AM, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

I have a manual of Hispano ammo, but it is for the cannon used on Tempest/Sea Fury/Vampire etc. 

I think the Mk2 and the Mk5 used the same ammunition - the Mk5 had a lower muzzle velocity because of its shorter barrel.  I've only worked on Vampire Mk5's, but we had a bunch of ex - Mosquito Mk2's around.  The Hispano was not well made and needed to be shot in with a lot of rounds to smooth it up - we'd drench it with metal polish to speed up the process and fire it at the butts until it reached the right number of rounds per minute.

[blockheadgreen_]

On 9/1/2020 at 4:45 AM, DavePro said:

I think the Mk2 and the Mk5 used the same ammunition - the Mk5 had a lower muzzle velocity because of its shorter barrel.  I've only worked on Vampire Mk5's, but we had a bunch of ex - Mosquito Mk2's around.  The Hispano was not well made and needed to be shot in with a lot of rounds to smooth it up - we'd drench it with metal polish to speed up the process and fire it at the butts until it reached the right number of rounds per minute.

This is probably daft but how would you describe how Hispanos sound?

[DavePro]

Yes, it's hard to describe.  A very flat, loud, short thump - at the gun position you don't hear the supersonic bang of the projectile so much as you do with the lighter calibres.  In CloD probably the closest noise is the 40mm Bofors, although of course the Hispano fires faster.  I've never been close enough to a target to hear cannon projectiles arrive, for obvious reasons.  I have marked targets in the butts for rifle calibre weapons:  that's when you get the supersonic whip-crack.  If anyone ever tells you about bullets 'whistling' or 'humming' past, he's never been there.

I've never been in an aircraft firing munitions, except for the 2 inch anti-aircraft rocket.  I have heard .303  and .300 Brownings fired from, of all things, Sunderlands.  It's pretty near impossible to distinguish individual shots with multiple weapons firing (two guns in the front turret, and four fixed in the nose for the pilot).

 

[blockheadgreen_]

16 hours ago, DavePro said:

Yes, it's hard to describe.  A very flat, loud, short thump - at the gun position you don't hear the supersonic bang of the projectile so much as you do with the lighter calibres.  In CloD probably the closest noise is the 40mm Bofors, although of course the Hispano fires faster.  I've never been close enough to a target to hear cannon projectiles arrive, for obvious reasons.  I have marked targets in the butts for rifle calibre weapons:  that's when you get the supersonic whip-crack.  If anyone ever tells you about bullets 'whistling' or 'humming' past, he's never been there.

I've never been in an aircraft firing munitions, except for the 2 inch anti-aircraft rocket.  I have heard .303  and .300 Brownings fired from, of all things, Sunderlands.  It's pretty near impossible to distinguish individual shots with multiple weapons firing (two guns in the front turret, and four fixed in the nose for the pilot).

 

 

That's an excellent description. I don't know whether it's due to to the gas-blowback operation of the gun but the Hispano has a very specific sort of mechanical sound that I can't put my finger on. IL-2 Great Battles replicates it well I feel, not so much in CloD at the moment though:

 

 

[Avimimus]

On 9/22/2020 at 12:14 AM, Lythronax said:

This is probably daft but how would you describe how Hispanos sound?

 

Since we're discussing it - I feel like the Hispano could do with a louder overall volume... I get more of a sense of noise and fury, and recoil, from the 0.303s... it is subjective of course... but I found myself intuitively using the Hispano to line up a burst of 0.303s once (rather than the other way around)! ? 

 

Also - any thought on the Hispano AP performance? Airspeed apparently mattered in real life. It is interesting - to take out Panzer III from the side requires 15-20mm penetration.