New GPU's

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

I am going to upgrade from my 1080ti to one of the new 30 series cards. Should I get the top end or one of the lesser ones. I am seeing that the only main difference in the top 3 from NVIDIA is the RAM in each one.

 

Besides overall speed is there a difference? Also preordered the HPG2. 

 

Another question, my I7-7700k seems to be going just fine for now. No OC yet. Will my Strix Z270E MB be a bottleneck? What else could bottleneck the new GPU's?

 

If this needs to go into another forum group please move it.

 

Thanks

Edited August 12, 2020 by LukeFF

[ZachariasX]

6 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

What else could bottleneck the new GPU's?

*If* the 30XX series come with PCIE4.0 support, then any Intel mainboard you can buy will bottleneck the GPU.

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

20 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

*If* the 30XX series come with PCIE4.0 support, then any Intel mainboard you can buy will bottleneck the GPU.

I don't see NVIDIA promoting AMD

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

17 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

I am going to upgrade from my 1080ti to one of the new 30 series cards. Should I get the top end or one of the lesser ones. I am seeing that the only main difference in the top 3 from NVIDIA is the RAM in each one.

 

Before specs and reviews are published, we can only make predictions based on rumours.

 

22 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

*If* the 30XX series come with PCIE4.0 support, then any Intel mainboard you can buy will bottleneck the GPU.

 

Not necessarily. I think it is unlikely to be a bottleneck.

 

A 2080 Ti barely saturates PCIe 3.0 x8, so there is still room to expand on x16. When graphics cards started using PCIe 3.0 years ago, you could run them on PCIe 2.0 with no performance issues.

 

Don't throw out your 7700K yet.

[ZachariasX]

5 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Not necessarily. I think it is unlikely to be a bottleneck.

It cuts data transfer to 50%. That is throttling as a minimum. Whether it has an impact on your game or not is a different question and it largely depends of a program decides to make use of that high speed transfer. This may be subject to change, especially since AMD platform offer this basic functionality.

 

As soon as GPU memory is not sufficient anymore to store *everything* it needs, it will become an issue.

 

If you care about such when investing in a dead end platform, that is entirely up to you. One thing is certain, from the moment Intel can produce relevant parts again, they will be on a different platform as different as AMD is from Intel now.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

30 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

It cuts data transfer to 50%. That is throttling as a minimum.

 

That only matters if the graphics card actually requires the full data transfer rate to begin with.

 

30 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

Whether it has an impact on your game or not is a different question and it largely depends of a program decides to make use of that high speed transfer.

 

You used the term "bottleneck". A "bottleneck" by definition occurs when a part can't work to its full potential because another piece of hardware can't keep up. The theoretical speed of a bus is utterly irrelevant. That's moving the goalposts.

 

Although I'm sure that PCIe 4.0 will matter eventually for gaming, I think it is unlikely to be a bottleneck for the first generation of GPUs that use it.

 

30 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

If you care about such when investing in a dead end platform, that is entirely up to you.

 

It's hardly "investing in a dead platform" when you can trivially transfer the graphics card to a new motherboard at a later date once you feel it is necessary.

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[ZachariasX]

2 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

A "bottleneck" by definition occurs when a part can't work to its full potential because another piece of hardware can't keep up.

The GPU is polling and the mainboard devivers only half? I thing that is about as close to bottlenecking as you can go.

 

Now if you say "my game doesn't care", good for you. But that is a different question. But I giess it is what you meant, so fair enough.

 

4 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

It's hardly "investing in a dead platform" when you can trivially transfer the graphics card to a new motherboard at a later date once you feel it is necessary.

I've never looked at dumping the whole rig around a GPU, deeming this as "upgrade", but at the price the 30XX series will sell, I guess you have a point there.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

On 8/12/2020 at 9:48 AM, ZachariasX said:

Now if you say "my game doesn't care", good for you. But that is a different question. But I giess it is what you meant, so fair enough.

 

If performance doesn’t suffer, it's not a bottleneck. That's exactly what is meant by "bottleneck" in the context of PC gaming.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[Jaws2002]

12 hours ago, CDRSEABEE said:

I am seeing that the only main difference in the top 3 from NVIDIA is the RAM in each one.

 

I doubt that's the only difference between the top three cards.

  Gpu clock and  memory speed are most likely different. 

  Anyway. Too early to make a decision. Wait for the official release, see the benchmarks and reviews, see what cards and cooling solutions the partners are cooking and then make an informed decision.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Jaws2002

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

7 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

I doubt that's the only difference between the top three cards.

  Gpu clock and  memory speed are most likely different. 

  Anyway. Too early to make a decission. Wait for the official release, see the benchmarks and reviews, see what cards and cooling solutions the partners are cookong and then make an informed decission.

I read the overclocks will come in 2021 with the Supers....Make a little more $$$.

[Bernard_IV]

13 hours ago, CDRSEABEE said:

I am going to upgrade from my 1080ti to one of the new 30 series cards. Should I get the top end or one of the lesser ones. I am seeing that the only main difference in the top 3 from NVIDIA is the RAM in each one.

 

Besides overall speed is there a difference? Also preordered the HPG2. 

 

Another question, my I7-7700k seems to be going just fine for now. No OC yet. Will my Strix Z270E MB be a bottleneck? What else could bottleneck the new GPU's?

 

If this needs to go into another forum group please move it.

 

Thanks

I just listed my 1080ti on ebay and will be buying the 2080ti replacement.  The top one will be a good bit stronger than the next one and so on down the line.  What you should buy depends on what kind of money you want to spend.  Your CPU would benefit from an overclock.  7700k is good and fast but only has 4 cores.  IL2 isn't optimized to benefit from more than that but for other games you could see a bump in FPS with more cores.  The PCIE lanes should be big enough as long as you are 16x and not 8x.  I think a 2080ti can just about bottleneck an 8x PCIE 3.0 so they have good bandwidth.