Throttle control

[jerryb]

Hi, I've got cliffs of dover and cliffs of dover blitz.  In the cliffs of dover I've assigned my X52 throttle and it works ok, but in cliffs of dover blitz the same control has almost no effect.  The only difference I have seen is in the first one it just says slider z,  but in the second it says slider, then a number, z.  All other controls work ok, it's just the throttle.

[Buzzsaw]

11 hours ago, jerryb said:

Hi, I've got cliffs of dover and cliffs of dover blitz.  In the cliffs of dover I've assigned my X52 throttle and it works ok, but in cliffs of dover blitz the same control has almost no effect.  The only difference I have seen is in the first one it just says slider z,  but in the second it says slider, then a number, z.  All other controls work ok, it's just the throttle.

Please uninstall your old CLIFFS OF DOVER game prior to installing BLITZ.

 

Go to Documents/1C SoftClub/il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover/ and delete the cache file and save the config files to a separate folder.

 

Install BLITZ.

 

Paste your old config files into the documents folder.

 

See if the game works.

 

If not, you may need to re-program the controls again.

 

Remember, you need to program the axes in the 'Controls' - 'Aircraft'.

[Sokol1]

12 hours ago, jerryb said:

The only difference I have seen is in the first one it just says slider z,  but in the second it says slider, then a number, z.  All other controls work ok, it's just the throttle.

 

If you are seeing joystick throttle axis in Controls > Throttle with a number, means that is assigned, just in case, select, hit clear and assign again, then hit Apply.

 

Enter in controls again, select "Throttle" and look at the two green bars bellow.

IN (from joystick) should move more or less together with OUT (for game).

For British planes boost is practical adjust the "100% position" slider until ~89% or IN (from joystick) reach 100% OUT (for game), the remain 10% in joystick throttle course will increase OUT for 110%, what engage boost in British planes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2020 by Sokol1

[jerryb]

Hi, the green bars are fine and work. All other X52 controls work it's just the throttle.  The gauges seem to work but there is minimal movement on the prop and the sound.

[Buzzsaw]

You could try calibrating your joystick in windows to make sure all the axes on the joystick, including the throttle are registered and working.

 

Following is the method:

 

- Right click on the Windows icon in the lower left of your screen.  (shutdown button)

 

- Type into the search box: "Control Panel"

 

- Then go to "Hardware and Sound" and click on "View Devices and Printers".

 

- Now right click on your joystick, and select "Game Controller Settings"

 

- Then select "Properties"

 

- Click on the "Settings" tab, then on 'Calibrate'.

 

- Follow the directions and click 'Finish' and then 'Apply'.

[jerryb]

Tried that, everything in control panel seems ok.  When I'm in the sim the throttle moves all the way but the rev counter only moves a tiny amount and the prop seems to be spinning really slowly.  Happens in IL2 and blitz but ok in ROF united.  I tried checking the local files but they are fine.

[mattebubben]

What airplanes?

And are you also moving the Prop pitch?

 

 

[jerryb]

Spitfire is the only one I've tried so far, not moving prop pitch, flying really simple mode.

[dazako]

1 hour ago, jerryb said:

Spitfire is the only one I've tried so far, not moving prop pitch, flying really simple mode.

You have to move the prop pitch. Or else it's like putting your foot on the gas and not putting the car in gear. No power.

 

Daz

Edited August 14, 2020 by dazako

[mattebubben]

38 minutes ago, jerryb said:

Spitfire is the only one I've tried so far, not moving prop pitch, flying really simple mode.

the Prop pitch is what controls RPM.

 

The Throttle controls the Boost/Manifold pressure.

 

So you need to increase the Prop pitch in order to get higher RPM.

 

But you dont want to fly Max RPM all the time as that will risk burning up the engine if you do it for to long.

 

For the spit around 2700 RPM is the max Cruise setting.

Around 2800 for Combat/Climb settings which you can maintain for longer periods when you need the extra power.

 

And then only go 3000RPM (Max prop pitch) when you need maxmium power.

I would suggest you take a look at the Flash cards in the Aircraft Manuals Folder.

(Go to the Main menu click Extras and then Manuals and you will be directed to the Manuals folder)

 

These will give you most of the info you need for the different aircraft.

Edited August 14, 2020 by mattebubben

[Art-J]

56 minutes ago, jerryb said:

Spitfire is the only one I've tried so far, not moving prop pitch, flying really simple mode.

 

Specify which mark of the Spit, please. Some of them are equipped with Rotol constant speed propellers and thus their RPM reacts to throttle quickly, while some are equipped with deHavilland props which only have two pitch positions and thus won't rev up quickly if current pitch setting is too coarse for airspeed you're flying with.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Art-J

[Sokol1]

3 hours ago, jerryb said:

Spitfire is the only one I've tried so far, not moving prop pitch, flying really simple mode.

 

If in CloD Blitz Options > Realism  > Engines you have not ticked:

 

"Complex Engine Management"

"Engine Temperature Effects" 

 

You cant' control propeller pitch, mixture neither radiators, just throttle.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Sokol1

[jerryb]

I'm a crap flyer so I don't want complex engine management.  In the spit if I push the throttle all the way the RPM goes from 24 to 30.  In the ME109 it seems to go all the way, but in both aircraft the prop seems to be idling  and only seem to speed up a little.  In the spit if I open the throttle very little seems to happen as I cannot catch any one and all the other spits go hurtling past me.  As I said it all work ok in Cliffs of Dover but not in Blitz

[Sokol1]

I did a dirt test whit Spit II and BF 109 E-4 and don't see noticeable difference is speed with Engine Managements ON or OFF (Blitz 5.002).

At lower altitude you have more range of RPM in engine throttle, probable related with supercharger.

 

 In the spit if I open the throttle very little seems to happen as I cannot catch any one and all the other spits go hurtling past me.

 

This is "normal", AI have a kind of "warp speed" (and parachute speed brakes) making difficult player keep with then. 

 

BTW - Blitz update is free in you Steam Library - has ups and downs, but is a standard today.

 

 

[jerryb]

Understand all that but what about the prop spin, it really is rubbish compared to COD.  In blitz I can almost watch a single blade go round.

[dazako]

12 hours ago, jerryb said:

Understand all that but what about the prop spin, it really is rubbish compared to COD.  In blitz I can almost watch a single blade go round.

 

I don't understand your prop spin issue. Watch any youtube Tobruk video and see how they compare to what you see. 

There are occasional visual anomalies some players experience. I can only assume you're having one as I've not read of any other issue like yours.

Try deleting your cache folder in C:\Users\yourname PC\Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover

Typically visual/graphics issues are rectified this way. It's a good habit to frequently delete this folder, and practically essential when adding patches / fixes / updates. Launching the game will always create a new cache folder.

 

Daz

Edited August 18, 2020 by dazako

[jerryb]

Thanks, deleting the cache worked, now have a properly spinning prop.