Flying Circus dead?

[Tora]

Yesterday evening I took a break from fierce battles on TAW and decided to refresh a bit my Great War virutal experience by flying an MP in Flying Circus after a long time, and how that's played out? I couldn't find any single more or less inhabited server at all! There was only Flugpark but it kept kicking me again and again, and not only me according to my flymates.

How's that even possible, guys? How we got to such a situation, after long, intense, crowded and exhausting fights in RoF to dead silence in FC, which meant to be a total opposite to what I witnessed?

What's happening? Who's fault is that? What should we do with that?

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Tora

[Tycoon]

“¯\_(ツ)_/¯“

[No.23_Gaylion]

We could speculate but the thread would be locked. 

 

 

Your best bet for any MP action is Thursday evening North America and Sunday evening Europe.

 

But even those are progressively dwindling down. 

 

IF ONLY THERE WERE A REASON!?!?!?

Edited August 8, 2020 by US93_Talbot

[Dutch2]

First: I do hope its not dead.

If these servers are complete empty, then I do hope its not an indication of the lack of FC1 buyers and no buyers, sure no desperate needed FC2 release. 

Just at of curiosity  is there any real indication on the FC1 popularity, like at STEAM? Because In my experience WW1 are mostly offline flyers. 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Dutch2

[No.23_Gaylion]

::COUGH::

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/63801-fc-only-damage-model-poll/

 

 

 

[L-Welter]

I have been away from the community for a while since last year October and since I have come back this month to the community and the Flugpark server I have noticed they have been very quiet and for some reason the Flugpark server every so often is working and I will be able to connect to the server but most of the time it's up on the servers list but I can never join and nobody is ever on, unfortunately.

 

After looking a little on the forums this seems to be why most of the community is not playing right now, it looks like its mostly down to the new damage model system.

here is a link to the discussion going on about it - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/63801-fc-only-damage-model-poll/

Hopefully, this problem will be fixed soon and the Flugpark server will be hopefully working correctly again

[Tora]

Wait a sec, you mean guys, that old issue with winged-off Entente aircraft is STILL not fixed? After half a year? Are you for real? Oh My God...

Edited August 8, 2020 by Tora

[RNAS10_Oliver]

30 minutes ago, Tora said:

Wait a sec, you mean guys, that old issue with winged-off Entente aircraft is STILL not fixed? After half a year? Are you for real? Oh My God...

 

Not half a year no. The update with the new damage model came in April. The subsequent update a month later corrected some false data for the spar sizes they were using. But that did not go as far (or aided some aircraft more than others) as seems most people were hoping for. Seems more question of balancing or something missed rather than something being simple being broken and just requiring fixing etc. Also this was not an Entente "issue" but both sides (particularly the Albatros and Halberstadt).

 

 

Perhaps your thinking of something else.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Oliver88

[Zooropa_Fly]

To be fair RoF MP wasn't exactly in it's best nick by the time FC came along.

 

Not all the ww1 servers show pilots there on the server list when in fact there are. This doesn't help.

 

The DM has been evolving since you've been away, not everybody's revolting.

Therefore you'd be better to assess it for yourself rather than take anyone else's word on it.

 

S!

[No.23_Gaylion]

(Insert pic from the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman" here)

 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by US93_Talbot

[Tora]

So, to summarize: We already don't have RoF (because it got obsolete at FC release) as gaming experience, time-killer, you name it... and we still don't have FC (because nobody wants to fly it due to some reasons).

Ergo - At current moment we have nothing as WWI flightsim.

Am I right?

[ST_Catchov]

Well, we know all efforts are being directed to WW2 right now. However that's no excuse for dead silence from the devs for months and removing/locking threads about the FC DM concerns whatever side of the fence you're on. How hard is it to make a simple statement about their intentions, one way or the other, and stop all the speculation?

[RNAS10_Oliver]

4 minutes ago, Tora said:

So, to summarize: We already don't have RoF (because it got obsolete at FC release) as gaming experience, time-killer, you name it... and we still don't have FC (because nobody wants to fly it due to some reasons).

Ergo - At current moment we have nothing as WWI flightsim.

Am I right?

 

No. Because for one thing I want to. And probably will be on tonight (and defo tommorow). Would have been on the last few days also but knackered.

 

Sure the numbers turning up each night might have waned since April. But that's not to say that its dead and there is nobody flying. There are.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Oliver88

[Feathered_IV]

2 hours ago, Tora said:

How's that even possible, guys?

 

Hopefully the developers will soon give up on this fantasy that they can somehow survive without quality singleplayer content. 

[Tora]

1 minute ago, Oliver88 said:

 

No. Because for one thing I want to. And probably will be on tonight (and defo tommorow). Would have been on the last few days also but knackered.

Bro, I consider it shameful to see zero online at Friday's night for ANY MP game. It means that that game is dead.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

1 hour ago, Tora said:

Bro, I consider it shameful to see zero online at Friday's night for ANY MP game. It means that that game is dead.

 

 

 

.....when did I ever refuse an update.....just this once because I knew it would be the end of us.  Will a hotfix ever bring back my Albie or your Spad?

 

...but I have selfish reasons for staying. Now I have to fly a D7F and if some misfortune  should befall it, like a shrunken spar or folding wing or glass engine I am  going to blame some of the people in this room.

Edited August 8, 2020 by J5_Klugermann

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

No it's not dead, just a difficult birth. A breach baby. 

[SP1969]

I can only write for myself, but.

 

I abandoned FC because I felt completely ripped off by the whole game, having previously used RoF.

 

I was expecting a game.

 

I got ....this.

 

Single player a joke.

 

Took months to get a f**king map and when it finally arrived....total disappointment.

 

Hardly any aircraft.

 

Damage.

 

Engines.

 

Handling.

 

To see it discounted by 50% for anyone after all the song and dance made about early access merely rubbed salt into the wounds.

 

This isn't a game, it is a half realised add in for the WW2 content, but priced as a premium game.

 

Haven't played any of the IL2 games since FC, not bought any content, and I won't, ever again.

 

This company should learn that you can only punch loyal customers in the face so many times before they f**k off.

 

I doubt they'll listen.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by SP1969

[BraveSirRobin]

14 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Hopefully the developers will soon give up on this fantasy that they can somehow survive without quality singleplayer content. 

 

The problem isn't lack of quality gameplay.  We can shoot things down and blow things up.  That's what you do in a combat flight sim.  That's the gameplay.  The problem is that you don't like combat flight sims.

5 minutes ago, SP1969 said:

I can only write for myself, but.

 

I abandoned FC because I felt completely ripped off by the whole game, having previously used RoF.

 

I was expecting a game.

 

I got ....this.

 

Single player a joke.

 

Took months to get a f**king map and when it finally arrived....total disappointment.

 

Hardly any aircraft.

 

Damage.

 

Engines.

 

Handling.

 

To see it discounted by 50% for anyone after all the song and dance made about early access merely rubbed salt into the wounds.

 

This isn't a game, it is a half realised add in for the WW2 content, but priced as a premium game.

 

Haven't played any of the IL2 games since FC, not bought any content, and I won't, ever again.

 

This company should learn that you can only punch loyal customers in the face so many times before they f**k off.

 

I doubt they'll listen.

 

 

 

If you think that's bad, you should have seen RoF when it was released.  But thanks to other people it was really great when you finally showed up.

[Tycoon]

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

The problem isn't lack of quality gameplay.  We can shoot things down and blow things up.  That's what you do in a combat flight sim.  That's the gameplay.  The problem is that you don't like combat flight sims.

He never mentioned gameplay, content is different.

[SP1969]

When I finally showed up?

 

When was that, Cock Robin?

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, Tycoon said:

He never mentioned gameplay, content is different.

 

Sorry, I'm so used to reading his whining about gameplay that I just ran with it.  The FC content is that better than it was with the RoF release.  A lot better. 

1 minute ago, SP1969 said:

When I finally showed up?

 

When was that, Cock Robin?

 

According to the RoF forum, Oct 2014.  That was about 5 years after RoF was released.  You benefited from a lot of development of the game when you finally arrived.

[SP1969]

Forum isn't the same as owning the game, is it?

 

Trolls never change, do they?

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, SP1969 said:

Forum isn't the same as owning the game, is it?

 

Trolls never change, do they?

 

So you owned RoF when there were only 4 aircraft and no 2-seaters?  That seems unlikely given what you're complaining about now.  In any case, you can always go back to RoF. 

[=IRFC=NakedSquirrel]

I forget about the server browser not showing how many players are on.  I think I am as guilty as anyone for peeking at the server list aaaand... just deciding to play something else because they're all empty/close to empty.

 

Hopefully fixing this will fix most of the problem.

 

As far as FM/DM ect...  I think the first words out of an aspiring flight simmer's mouth will be about FM/DM issues.  Coincidentally, it is also muttered in their last breath of life. 

 

 I think Hellbender's tomb stone will have some stern remarks about the Sopwith Camel!  ?

 

Single player fix = PWCG

 

[=IRFC=Tunes]

No

[DD_Arthur]

12 hours ago, SP1969 said:

Forum isn't the same as owning the game, is it?

I have a feeling that in the case of RoF and BoX it actually is. When you buy the game from 777 Studios or 1CGS you get automatically registered to the forum. I’m on my phone but if you look down the bottom of these forums it will give you the total number of members. I think it’s in the hundreds of thousands now. Certainly 99% of these people will never post here and are unaware they are ‘members’ of these forums.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I don't think it is. There are smaller player numbers yes but when I hop in during the Thursday night fly-in or Sunday afternoon dogfight scenarios I see plenty of pilots and lots of folks having fun in multiplayer.

 

Would I like to see it busy every night? You bet! But it may take some time still as more people check it out and have fun with it.

[Izel]

True, the numbers may not be there as most, including myself, would like - however I don't know how to explain it - but I find flying FC1 Multiplayer far way MORE fun and satisfying than WW2 Multiplayer.  Even with the current, quirky DM  and me being basically cannon-fodder (I enjoy flying the Camel the most, regardless of the butterfly wings or risking being disabled by a single, quick burst).

 

I have had some luck with the CombatBox Training site; There is an area dedicated to WW1 practicing with several -balanced- AI planes from both sides , but it is not rare finding human opponents in there and it's loads of fun when it happens.  Kind of a mini-Berloga environment.

 

I sincerely hope it doesn't die...

[ZachariasX]

If people just understood what it means making a product with money you have, as opposed to making a product with money you don't have.

 

One should also not forget to factor in the sense of entitlement of the ones who's money is required to make said product.

 

Ugh.

[Garven]

[GenMarkof007]

On 8/8/2020 at 6:51 AM, US93_Talbot said:

But even those are progressively dwindling down. 

 

IF ONLY THERE WERE A REASON!?!?!?

 

S! All,

On my part, I feel that after more than a year with Flying Circus Vol. 1 out... and no way to know if any FC Vol. 2 are coming soon (and knowing that the FC sales aren't what the company was waiting for)...

 

And with this, a FC Vol. 1 that is still in it's early stage,... by this I mean: no WW1 balloons working (no flaring), a work in progress DM planes model (with only 6 planes per side), a Map that you are not able to land anywhere other that on Aerodromes and many more little things on the list...  the road for another or any other FC Vol... look's pretty grey!

If I look at all squadrons that are trying to keep it alive... you do need something to work with to develop MP missions on Server, Events or Campaigns like Flanders in Flames, Black September and Bloody April... but with around 6 planes per side... it's not easy to bring new stuff to the FC (WW1 flight sim) community.

 

I really hope that Jason or any of the company spoke person will come out soon to let us know what is the future of Flying Circus... if not, I think that you will see less and less people online or even playing the WW1 flight sim. I know that many are even thinking to bring back Rise of Flight (ROF) so that we can do real online events with more than welcome planes and items on the maps!

Cheers,
=GenMarkof007=

[RNAS10_Oliver]

Quote

 no WW1 balloons working (no flaring)

 

?

 

I am sure that I've seen them and ground troops firing flares during one of the multiplayer campaigns? I think was during Bloody April.

Thought that balloons firing flares (though granted my knowledge of mission builder is very little) was just a mission design thing?

Edited August 9, 2020 by Oliver88

[Tycoon]

4 hours ago, GenMarkof007 said:

 

 

 

I really hope that Jason or any of the company spoke person will come out soon to let us know what is the future of Flying Circus...

 

Or they might let it drag out for years like they did with pacific speculation even though they knew 100% it wasn't in the works, just giving the same old rhetoric, " Keep supporting whatever we do otherwise there is no chance of it happening". 

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, Tycoon said:

Or they might let it drag out for years like they did with pacific speculation even though they knew 100% it wasn't in the works, just giving the same old rhetoric, " Keep supporting whatever we do otherwise there is no chance of it happening". 

 

Jason's made several statements on what they were doing with the Pacific. As recently again as this year.

 

It was about a once per year update on it either on the forums or through a Q&A. It wasn't dragged out for years.

[Tycoon]

19 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

 

 

It was about a once per year update on it either on the forums or through a Q&A. It wasn't dragged out for years.

I don't understand this, you say once per year update indicating multiple years then say it wassn't going on for years?

[No.23_Triggers]

In my personal opinion, combat in FC is a joke with the new DM. Hopefully it'll change in the future, but for the time being I really don't have any interest in flying. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by US93_Larner

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

32 minutes ago, US93_Larner said:

In my personal opinion, combat in FC is a joke with the new DM. Hopefully it'll change in the future, but for the time being I really don't have any interest in flying. 

Hope they change the DM, sad to see all the top pilots leave us.

[Rail]

On 8/9/2020 at 3:51 AM, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Sorry, I'm so used to reading his whining about gameplay that I just ran with it.  The FC content is that better than it was with the RoF release.  A lot better. 

 

 

 

I've still got the original neoqb CD (2009). It included single mission, campaign and career modes. We were also regularly updated on what was actually in the pipeline, and they delivered on a regular basis. There were also other non-flyable aircraft types(AI) included, which were later made flyable. So we knew what was coming up to a point. No cone of silence in those days.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Rail

[ShamrockOneFive]

10 hours ago, Tycoon said:

I don't understand this, you say once per year update indicating multiple years then say it wassn't going on for years?

 

Your assertion that they were dragging the Pacific out for years is false. Jason most recently provided an update back in January. He's been realistic about what they wanted to do and what problems they ran into. I'm not sure how much more transparent they can be.