SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 I would love to see your guys thoughts on this plane. I absolutely adore it since my grandfather flew it during the war. 1 4
Avimimus Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Someday perhaps... but we need an Il-4 (and a few other aircraft that were more numerically important) first. I'd also like to see an allied bomber or coastal patrol aircraft that is slow enough to be a victim for the Ju-88C6... Edited August 3, 2020 by Avimimus
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Avimimus said: Someday perhaps... but we need an Il-4 (and a few other aircraft that were more numerically important) first. I'd also like to see an allied bomber or coastal patrol aircraft that is slow enough to be a victim for the Ju-88C6... Planes like the PBY catalina, DO 24. Maybe some heavy German interceptors (He 219, Ta 154 or Do335). Soviet IL-10 could be pretty killer as well.
INVADER_WARHAWK Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) how can I vote: yes, twice ? a TU 2 would also be awesome Edited August 3, 2020 by INVADER_WARHAWK 1
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, INVADER_WARHAWK said: how can I vote: yes, twice ? I don't know. I can only see you have voted yes once
Legioneod Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 Would be cool and fun to fly but before that I want to see a true medium bomber for the allies like the B-26 or B-25. 1
Avimimus Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: Planes like the PBY catalina, DO 24. Maybe some heavy German interceptors (He 219, Ta 154 or Do335). Soviet IL-10 could be pretty killer as well. Ah, but it doesn't fit the 'numerical importance' argument though. I suppose one *could* argue that the Do-335 and He-162 would have been the most numerous and important new fighters in 1945 if production and fuel hadn't been disrupted... The PBY can be argued to be one of the most important seaplanes from a numerical perspective as well. But my original point had been - numerically important AI (or non-AI) aircraft for existing theatres would be my priority.
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Legioneod said: Would be cool and fun to fly but before that I want to see a true medium bomber for the allies like the B-26 or B-25. Yea I see your point. The B-25 imo is more interresting since it is more unique from the A-26. While the B-26 is to similar to the A-26 (A-26 is kinda the B-26 converted into a ground support attacker) Don't we allready have the B-25 ingame or am I crazy?? Edited August 3, 2020 by SeniorMuhkkel
busdriver Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: While the B-26 is to similar to the A-26 (A-26 is kinda the B-26 converted into a ground support attacker) The A-26 didn't fly it's first combat mission until Nov 1944. The Douglas A-26 is descended from the Douglas A-20, not the Martin B-26. If you wanted to play the sim in a somewhat historical fashion, you would primarily be flying formation in the mid-teens between 10,000' to 20,000' not skimming along at tree top height. 39 minutes ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: Don't we allready have the B-25 ingame or am I crazy? Only as AI.
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, busdriver said: The A-26 didn't fly it's first combat mission until Nov 1944. The Douglas A-26 is descended from the Douglas A-20, not the Martin B-26. If you wanted to play the sim in a somewhat historical fashion, you would primarily be flying formation in the mid-teens between 10,000' to 20,000' not skimming along at tree top height. Only as AI. I know it is two different companies and different planes. Just their size and looking at the two planes at a quick glance they look a like. Though later in around 1948 or 1949 cant remember the exact date the A-26 switched its name to B-26.
Legioneod Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: While the B-26 is to similar to the A-26 (A-26 is kinda the B-26 converted into a ground support attacker) Don't we allready have the B-25 ingame or am I crazy?? Not similar at all except in the fact that they are both bombers. The A-26 is a light bomber/attack aircraft with only 3 crew. The B-26 is a medium bomber and has 7 crew. The B-26 and B-25 are more similar than the A-26 is to the B-26. A-26 B-26
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Legioneod said: Not similar at all except in the fact that they are both bombers. The A-26 is a light bomber/attack aircraft with only 3 crew. The B-26 is a medium bomber and has 7 crew. The B-26 and B-25 are more similar than the A-26 is to the B-26. A-26 B-26 When I said at a quick glance I ment aesthetically they look a like i my opinion While I would say the B-26 and B-25 look more different but are made by the same manufacture and are almost identical perfomance wise. (B-26 was a little bit faster and had a bit of a bigger bomb load. While the B-25 had a longer operating range and the plane was lighter and easier to maintain. (Which is why the B-26 got replaced by the A-26 in 1944 and it did not see any further service after the war) Edited August 3, 2020 by SeniorMuhkkel
Legioneod Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: When I said at a quick glance I ment aesthetically they look a like i my opinion While I would say the B-26 and B-25 look more different but are made by the same manufacture and are almost identical perfomance wise. (B-26 was a little bit faster and had a bit of a bigger bomb load. While the B-25 had a longer operating range and the plane was lighter and easier to maintain. (Which is why the B-26 got replaced by the A-26 in 1944 and it did not see any further service after the war) B-26 was never replaced by the A-26 as far as I know. The B-26 served until the end of the war. Edited August 3, 2020 by Legioneod
sevenless Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) This alone is worth it. 8x0,50s in the nose and additional 8x0,50s under the wings: https://claybornglobal.com/IHF/index.php/Invader_Weapons Edited August 3, 2020 by sevenless 1
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Legioneod said: B-26 was never replaced by the A-26 as far as I know. The B-26 served until the end of the war. That is true. But the units that had B-26's were slowly transitioning over to the A-26. After the end of the war the B-26 got retired since there were cheaper and better alternatives at the time. The B-26 got made with the whole idea of a fast medium bomber that could get in drop its load and leave before the enemy could react and chase it down. That lead to it suffering from a lot of things early on. Like its short wingspan that had the effect of a high landing speed which lead to a lot of accidents on the runway. By 1943 they fixed the wing issue but ended up sacrificing the speed for more lift. So it came down to almost the same speed as the B-25. So by 1944 the USAF stopped their contract with Martin and went with the superior A-26 which filled in all those needs the B-26 were made for. The B-26 served until the end of the war but got retired almost as soon as the war ended.
sevenless Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Legioneod said: B-26 was never replaced by the A-26 as far as I know. The B-26 served until the end of the war. It did to a certain degree in 12th and 9th AF. B26s and A20s were faded out in favorite to A26s. Edited August 3, 2020 by sevenless
Legioneod Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, sevenless said: It did to a certain degree in 12th and 9th AF. B26s and A20s were faded out in favorite to A26s. If I'm reading the chart right I only see 2 B-26 groups that were switched to A-26, the majority stayed with the B-26 until the end of the war. 2
sevenless Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Legioneod said: If I'm reading the chart right I only see 2 B-26 groups that were switched to A-26, the majority stayed with the B-26 until the end of the war. That is correct. You also see that as for the ETO, A26 was only starting to become available from 11/44 onwards with the majority becoming available in 1945.
Jade_Monkey Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 Absolutely. I saw one in person and it's a beautiful bird. 1
easterling77 Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) I adore the A 20 and still hope to see an A20 G ore even the A 26...they are agile and this firepower for ground attacks ? Edited August 4, 2020 by easterling77 1
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 4, 2020 Author Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, easterling77 said: I adore the A 20 and still hope to see an A20 G ore even the A 26...they are agile and this firepower for ground attacks ? That and they have amazing speed
mattebubben Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Sure. Though i would rather have a A-20G. Similarly i would also probably prefer having a flyable B-26 or B-25 just because they had greater numbers were over all more important of the war effort and would be avaliable in more scenarios. Since in the A-26 did not enter service in Europe untill November 44 and not in noticable numbers untill 1945. So they would be limited to just the Bodenplatte timeframe. In comparison the A-20G would be present for Normandy, Bodenplatte as well as eastern front Scenarios. Similarly the B-25 would see use in all 3. And the B-26 was very numerous both during Normandy and Bodenplatte. So while the A-26 would probably be the last on the list for of those 4 i would certainly buy if it was added. Edited August 4, 2020 by mattebubben 4
BMA_FlyingShark Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 Sure thing for me. Although I would already be glad if ever they van make the B25 (and eventually the B26 and DC3) flyable. But if ever they can pull it off to make us a A-26, by all means let them do so. It would be an instant buy for me. Have a nice day.
ROCKET_KNUT Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 I don´t only want to see her... I desperately need to fly her! So, no AI-only-a/c please. I know, Rosie is going to be jealous, but just look at her... And just in case you´re wondering "Who is this Rosie?" 1
Roast Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Why not ask for nightfighters such as the P-61 Black Widow and He-219 Uhu? And give this series a twist in the direction of the ill-fated Target for Tonight sim which never got off the ground Edited August 4, 2020 by Roast
SeniorMuhkkel Posted August 4, 2020 Author Posted August 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Roast said: Why not ask for nightfighters such as the P-61 Black Widow and He-219 Uhu? And give this series a twist in the direction of the ill-fated Target for Tonight sim which never got off the ground Well the point of this poll was just to see what people thought of the plane and if it had a place in the game. It was not meant to step on your toes in any way. Last time I checked and from my personal account with my grandfather the A-26 got of the ground and saw action in Europe. It even saw action all the way into the start of the Vietnam war were it went under the name "Counter Invader". I did not ask for the P-61 or the He-219 because it never passed my mind. I just had a personal relation(Grandfather) with a plane and thought it would be cool to see it in the game and wanted to see if other people shared that opinion.
Roast Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, SeniorMuhkkel said: Well the point of this poll was just to see what people thought of the plane and if it had a place in the game. It was not meant to step on your toes in any way. Last time I checked and from my personal account with my grandfather the A-26 got of the ground and saw action in Europe. It even saw action all the way into the start of the Vietnam war were it went under the name "Counter Invader". I did not ask for the P-61 or the He-219 because it never passed my mind. I just had a personal relation(Grandfather) with a plane and thought it would be cool to see it in the game and wanted to see if other people shared that opinion. You did not step on my toes, I hope that I did not step on yours ? as that was not my intention Nothing wrong with the plane which your grandfather flew during the war. However, I suspect that the Invader isn't that well known nor used, especially on the maps we have now or are planned, as did several other aircraft, I thought it was worth mentioning to swing an upcoming discussion in another direction. Once again, nothing wrong with your A-26 suggestion
JG7_X-Man Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 I am very found of the idea: Note: The last combat mission of the war in Europe was flown by Invaders of the 391st BG (Asch, Belg), against a munitions factory at Stod in Czechoslovakia, on 3rd May 1945.
MeoW.Scharfi Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 Yes, please OMG! ? We want the A26B invader!! 2
Hoss Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 On 8/3/2020 at 8:51 AM, INVADER_WARHAWK said: how can I vote: yes, twice ? a TU 2 would also be awesome And right after the Tu-2, the B-25 flyable
Docholiday Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 Sure I would like this plane ! AFTER The Beaufighter VI or X and the B-25J with solid 6-gun nose ! ? Both planes saw much more action in WWII. Cheers Doc 1
sevenless Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Docholiday said: Sure I would like this plane ! AFTER The Beaufighter VI or X and the B-25J with solid 6-gun nose ! ? Both planes saw much more action in WWII. Cheers Doc All of that only after an A20-G 1
Avimimus Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 11:24 AM, sevenless said: All of that only after an A20-G ..and that after the Pe-3 ? 1
Ribbon Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 I voted yes, eventually.....but B-25 or ju88a17 first
Traffic Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 A20G, solid, gun filled nose. Killer. Absolutely want. The A26 was an incredible aircraft and would love to see it. I'd pay for it. 1
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