Controller Settings Driving Me Nuts!

[Gort]

Seems that every time I start the game, the controller ID's have changed, and I have to go through the entire control assignment process.  I'm not sure how to prevent this. My controllers are attached via a powered USB hub, and are comprised of CH Fighterstick and Pedals, a TrackIR and a Saitek Throttle Quadrant. I use the same ports for each device and plug them in in the same order. Still, it seems that every other time, it seems that the CH controller ID's change.

 

Any thoughts on how to prevent this, so I can plug and play the sim?

[FuriousMeow]

That's wierd. I don't have that issue, I have a powered USB hub and frequently get the hub knocked out or one of the controllers pulled loose due to felines frantically running behind the computer. I get duplicates of them in Windows Device Manager which I delete (have to select "Show Hidden Devices"), but otherwise no other issues. Even if I move the stick to a different USB port, BoS recognizes it as the same one.

Edited May 9, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Matt]

Do you make sure to wait until the controller get recognized by Windows before plugging in the next? If you just plug them in one after the other without delay, it can very well happen that one device gets recognized after another device, even though it has been plugged in first.

 

If only the CH controller gets mixed up, did you try plugging it in as the very first or very last device?

 

Using the same port shouldn't be necessary anyhow, the order should determain the ID number of the controller.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Matt

[Sandhill]

Is this a recent problem preceded by no changes on your part?  Do they just randomly switch around, or flip flop every time you start Windows?  I'm no CM expert, but when I first started using it I did have some issues with it reassigning CM (virtual) devices into Windows.  Is it just the CH controllers that are getting reassigned or does the throttle quadrant get involved in the musical chairs?  Seems like my problems only involved my CH devices, which would I think point to a mapping problem where CM is assigning (in your case) either the pedals or the joystick as Joy0 or Joy1.  I have had no problems for some time, and it seems like when things got better I had just started using a script, which necessitated using the CHStart utility which runs at Windows startup.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Arnaud_Amaury

[Gort]

Is this a recent problem preceded by no changes on your part?  Do they just randomly switch around, or flip flop every time you start Windows?  I'm no CM expert, but when I first started using it I did have some issues with it reassigning CM (virtual) devices into Windows.  Is it just the CH controllers that are getting reassigned or does the throttle quadrant get involved in the musical chairs?  Seems like my problems only involved my CH devices, which would I think point to a mapping problem where CM is assigning (in your case) either the pedals or the joystick as Joy0 or Joy1.  I have had no problems for some time, and it seems like when things got better I had just started using a script, which necessitated using the CHStart utility which runs at Windows startup.

 

Now that you mention it, that seems to generally be the issue. It's the CH Devices only that are switching. They do seem to flop every time I begin a new windows session. Sometimes the pedals won't be recognized initially, and I have to cycle them by re-inserting the USB connector or running the CH utility (or whatever it is called) program.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Only thing I can think of is the use of USB hub somehow porking it. I have no problems as all controllers are connected to the motherboard USB inputs.

[otherlank]

It's not just a hub issue. I have my 3 controllers plugged directly into the motherboard and I will also have to reassign my controllers in IL-2. It has happened 4 or 5 times since launch and doesn't seem tied updated versions of the game. The controls will switch randomly after they have already been set with no changes made to my configuration within game or within Windows.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Updates can re-assign the controls. Seen that too. But that is game related, not hardware I think.

[Relix]

what helped for me is going into the power settings of windows and disabling the usb power suspend.  For me the joystick , throttle etc would go to sleep and when they woke up, they would do it in different orders, so one time my joystick would be joy 1 and another time it would be joy 0 so I would have to reconfigure in game.  

[Soarfeat]

Hey Victory205.

I sort of had the same thing happen when I first used the CH Manager with all my CH gear .There is a nice tutorial at the CH site called "CH Manger for Dummies" it may help and please ( I mean no disrespect by suggesting this,ie, I am definitely not calling you a dummy, it is just the tutorials title) http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php/files/file/109-control-manager-dummies-guide/

It is important to see how you combined the controls when you set them up in the CH manager. There is Direct mode and Mapped mode and I believe it always starts in Direct Mode so you will have to switch to mapped mode for the controllers to be reconized properly if you combined your controllers in mapped mode. May be something to check also. If all else fails just post at the CH forum site, I am sure you will get a pretty quick response to help clear some things up http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/ ( they are super helpful and nice folks there )  .

I am sure this can be resolved, hang in there !!! ,

cheers--sf--

[Gort]

Thanks gents, I'll follow those suggestions and see if it solves the issue.

[6high]

Hi all..

I too have the problem of jumping ID`s. I did have it in the past, not related to updates or me unplugging any devices.

I have a setup of MSFFB2,x52- throttle, a Logitech gamepad as buttonbay and saitek rudder pedals. I do use Joy2Key, but i doesn`t help. Today i installed the latest update and assigned all my controllers (haven`t played for a while..). A few hours later i come back and Joy3 is now Joy1 and viceversa. No USB Hub, no unplugging been done...

This issue is really driving me nuts, because i need to spend half an hour before flying with reassignin everything....

I would be VERY grateful if someone who solved this issue for himself could help me out....

 

Thank you,

 

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[6high]

My God Extreme, that was fast...

So you think that doing that according to the ID layout in BoS will prevent any swapping?

I will give it a try..

 

tnx,

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[6high]

Well, i just did that.

Unplugged all controllers, then plugged them in in the desired order. No success, BoS still has them mixed up.

I guess i will have to reassign again

[jarg1]

I was having the same problem with my CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals.  The solution was to use the CH Manager to merge all three into one device.  It's quite easy using the Control Wizard.  You will need to enable DX Mode in the devices in order to have them recognized as axes in the sim.

[Gort]

What "solved" it for me is to plug in the devices in the proper order, then check which one is primary using CH manager. Just click calibrate and see which controller is listed first. If they are not in the order you set your in game controls, the unplug and insert in the proper order and check again. Don't start the sim until they are in the proper order and you will be fine.

 

I find if I leave the controls plugged in during boot up of the PC, they'll end up switching around. Got to be a better way for the game to recognize controllers.

[dburne]

 

I find if I leave the controls plugged in during boot up of the PC, they'll end up switching around. Got to be a better way for the game to recognize controllers.

 

Strange, I leave my Warthog plugged in all the time to an external powered usb hub, don't have that issue.

[6high]

I was having the same problem with my CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals.  The solution was to use the CH Manager to merge all three into one device.  It's quite easy using the Control Wizard.  You will need to enable DX Mode in the devices in order to have them recognized as axes in the sim.

I wonder if that will work, seeing that i have no CH gear. Will try though, thank you.

 

What "solved" it for me is to plug in the devices in the proper order, then check which one is primary using CH manager. Just click calibrate and see which controller is listed first. If they are not in the order you set your in game controls, the unplug and insert in the proper order and check again. Don't start the sim until they are in the proper order and you will be fine.

 

I find if I leave the controls plugged in during boot up of the PC, they'll end up switching around. Got to be a better way for the game to recognize controllers.

So you say you unplug your devices each time you reboot?!? If yes, then BoS definitley has a problem with device ID`S..

[jarg1]

I wonder if that will work, seeing that i have no CH gear. Will try though, thank you.

 

 

It almost certainly will not work if you don't have CH stuff, sorry to say.

[Half-DevilPorkChop]

I think its a windows problem. If at all possible plug them directly into the pc using separate ports.

 

I use all CH and i had to make it so that my usb ports wont go to sleep when my PC does.

[6high]

Ok,

 

It's not BoS it's Windows
 

You might be right Extreme, but here goes my try:

I did exactly as you said, unplugged and replugged all the devices until i got my order ( i have little numbers on the controllers, Logi being 1, x52 Throttle 2, MSFFB 3 and Pedals 4)

Not only did the order of plugging in make a difference, but also which port i used..if i used another one, my MSFFB would jump to no. 1 place !

Anyway, so far so good.

 

I have checked in BoS, now the controllers have the same ID as Windows, -1: Win 1=BoS 0, 2=1, 3=2, 4=3. I know it has been like that for me before, so i will reassign the lot again and then see if things remain stable....or if the conspiracy continues

 

In the meantime, thank you all for your help!

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Edited August 25, 2014 by 6high

[Bisch]

can't we get the same way DCS handles controllers? The ID doesnt metter. Everything stays in place

[FuriousMeow]

Well, I can change the USB ports I plug my devices into and Windows recognizes them as does BoS. I just have to go back and delete the unused controllers (hidden) in the Windows Device Manager so I don't have redundant devices. I don't delete them because I have to, I delete them because I don't want extraneous devices that aren't present.

 

Seems to be an individual system problem and not something global, otherwise I would have the same issue.

Edited September 18, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[AG-51RazorRazer]

I am using an old Thrustmaster Cougar and I am finding that, while still in game, just switching between the 109F-4 and the 190A-3 causes my joy stick axes to reverse - aileron left is now right, pitch down is now pitch up. Very weird!! Additionally, the game recognizes some of my programed key commands and not others. What is even more bizzar is that I will assign a key command in the controls section by pressing the button(s) on my HOTAS and the programed key command will show up in the window, but in game it doesn't work by pressing the button but pressing the actual key does work. Very frustrating.

[39bn_pavig]

Hi all. I was having the same problem setting up controls and someone from ATAG suggested this little gem:

 

http://airgroup51.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=0f17gqr14893if2j8ko2gvl353&action=dlattach;topic=2435.0;attach=2966

 

It's called JoyID, and lets you dynamically rearrange your controllers (and make them stick). Seems to do what it says on the tin. Hope this helps.

[jarg1]

I just posted this over in the CH Hangers also:

 

Same problem here in Windows 8.1.  I was able to work around this for a while by using CH Manager to merge my devices so that the apps saw them as one device.  However that is no longer an option after switching out a Pro Throttle for a Quadrant because the Quadrant has too many axes - the total for the virtual device is 8 axes.  I can force the devices into the correct order by unplugging them, then deleting the devices in device manager, them plugging them back in in the order that I want.  However they almost always lose their device IDs after a reboot.  And then I have to re-calibrate them again each time after correcting the order.