Collectors Aircraft for other nationalities

[Algy-Lacey]

Hello, this is just an idea, but if enough people respond favourably then, who knows, the developers might oblige!

 

The idea is to bring new pilots to the sim by modelling a decent aircraft for their nationality.

 

This is a way to broaden the planeset without a full release, something the developers haven't tried.

Personally I would be happy to pay £20 / $25 per plane, what would you be happy to pay?

 

There are some outstanding aircraft that may take a long time to be included in a full release, if ever.

Mostly I am thinking of fighter aircraft, with bombers it takes so long to model all the crew positions... but if there are ground attack aircraft that you would like to see then let me know in the comments.

 

ITALY

 

Fiat G.55 Centauro - Possibly the best axis aircraft of WW2, license built DB605A engine, good power and speed, excellent handling and manoeuverability equal to the Spitfire. It was so good that the Germans wanted to use the aircraft in the Luftwaffe.

 

Macchi MC.205 Veltro - Slightly faster than the G.55 at 399 mph / 642 Km/h, it was not as manoeuverable as the Centauro but was produced in greater numbers.

 

 

JAPAN  (If the Developers can find enough technical data)

 

Nakajima Ki-84-1a Hayate (codename Frank) - The best Japanese fighter of WW2, better climb rate and manoeuverability than P-51 or P-47N with the speed that was missing in most Japanese fighters. The problem I see is that if people buy this aircraft it couldn't also be included in the standard lineup of a full Pacific release.

 

Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai (codename George) - Another contender for 'best Japanese fighter'. Powerful, great handling and packing a punch with 4 x 20mm cannon. Although a Navy aircraft, it operated from land. Then in development, the N1K3-J would have been a carrier based version.

 

Mitsubishi Ki-46-III Kai (codename Dinah) - The Japanese answer to the De Havilland Mosquito, it flew in reconnaissance, interceptor and ground attack roles, with a top speed of 391 mph / 630 Km/h

 

 

FRANCE

 

Yakolev Yak-3 (Normandie-Niemen) - Perhaps the best Russian fighter of WW2, very agile and manoueverable, good climb and top speed. Good all round in every aspect.

 

Dewoitine D.520 - Essentially a pre-war design, the D.520 was almost as fast as the Bf-109E and was more manoueverable. Underpowered and slow vs most opponents, fighting in it would prove a real challenge for you armchair aces!

 

 

FINLAND

 

Gloster Gladiator Mk.II - Outperformed, outgunned but a classic. Excellent manoueverability and handling.

 

Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - Only a handfull were operated by the Finnish in WW2, but may prove popular. Forgiving handling and a good gun platform.

 

 

ROMANIA

 

IAR 80 -  Romania's own fighter aircraft, it was 20 - 30 Km/h slower than the Bf-109E, with a similar climb rate and good manoeuverability. Later versions included 2 x 20mm MG151 cannon.

 

 

In the Poll I am asking which of these 10 aircraft would you most like to see as additional collector planes? If the plane you want isn't on the list, please comment below.

 

Cheers,

Algy-Lacey

[cardboard_killer]

For every month there's a new poll. I recommend mine from back in February. None of the planes you listed made the top eight, although I did not list any Japanese planes for obvious reasons. You choose not to list any multi-engined planes, which dominated my multi-post 36 plane heat.

 

 

[busdriver]

This probably should have been posted here...

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/21-polls/

[Jade_Monkey]

I would love any of the italian serie 5 planes.

[Algy-Lacey]

3 minutes ago, busdriver said:

This probably should have been posted here...

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/21-polls/

 

Thanks. Yeah, I posted it there first!  Then I wanted to post the main text in General Discussion and it gave me the option of a poll, so I thought, what the hell!

[Algy-Lacey]

12 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

For every month there's a new poll. I recommend mine from back in February. None of the planes you listed made the top eight, although I did not list any Japanese planes for obvious reasons. You choose not to list any multi-engined planes, which dominated my multi-post 36 plane heat.

 

 

Thanks, I'll check it out.

 

Our polls might have a different emphasis, I was only choosing aircraft for each of the countries that aren't represented in the sim yet. I thought this might draw additional customers in...

 

Cheers

Algy-Lacey

[Eisenfaustus]

I prefer a/c that can be placed in context with the depicted battles - thus iar80 for me. 
 

yak3 might come as a main plane for a late eastern front pack. 

[Algy-Lacey]

12 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

I prefer a/c that can be placed in context with the depicted battles - thus iar80 for me. 
 

yak3 might come as a main plane for a late eastern front pack. 

 

Fair enough. Personally I would love to see a small map with a couple of islands to go with the Japanese aircraft (Easy to make, quick £ $) just like was done in IL-2 1946. For Italians I would happily pretend that the Kuban map was Italy! I've been cheeky putting the Yak-3 as a french aircraft because of the Normandie Niemen squadron. But as you say, the developers might want to have this aircraft in the lineup for a late eastern front pack. D'oh! Didn't think that through... did I?!

 

[cardboard_killer]

2 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

I was only choosing aircraft for each of the countries that aren't represented in the sim yet.

 

This confuses me, as the USSR (Yak-3), Great Britain (Gladiator) and Italy are already represented in the sim.

Edited July 21, 2020 by cardboard_killer

[Algy-Lacey]

21 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

This confuses me, as the USSR (Yak-3), Great Britain (Gladiator) and Italy are already represented in the sim.

 

Fair comment.

 

If you're Italian then, yes, the MC.202 is available for the Battle of Moscow... but if I was Italian I would want to see one of the Serie 5 fighters such as the MC.205V, Fiat G.55 or Re.2005, in online servers these would be competitive against Spitfire IX's and P-51 Mustangs.

 

If you are Finnish then the only good fighter aircraft that they flew were the Hawker Hurricane (about 15 of them IIRC) and the Gloster Gladiator (about 30 aircraft). They also flew the Brewster Buffalo (40 or so aircraft) and the Polikarpov I-153. Maybe I could swap out the Gladiator for the Buffalo?

 

I only know of one Romanian aircraft, the IAR 80, so I put that in there.

 

if you're French then there are very few 'good' aircraft types that they flew. The Dewoitine D.520 is only good for early war scenarios so I bent the rules to include the Yak-3 as there was the famous Normandie-Niemen squadron of french pilots.

 

And (I would have thought) the Asian market would love to see a Ki-84 Hayate or N1K2-J Shiden.

If the developers of this sim do get around to making a Pacific scenario, I would guess that they would do an early war scenario that featured famous aircraft such as the A6m2 Zero, Ki-43 Oscar and G4m2 Betty. So one late war variant wouldn't detract from their project.

 

This is the thinking behind my post.

 

Algy-Lacey

[cardboard_killer]

40 minutes ago, Algy-Lacey said:

Polikarpov I-153

 

This would be my choice (and was one of the top 36 in that Feb poll). I'm not sure that the Gladiator was much of a factor in the Continuation War, and maybe arrived too late for the Winter War. How about a Fokker D.XXI Now that's what I'm wanting for sure.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

We really need more Italian planes. The Axis is basically only Germany now.

[cardboard_killer]

15 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

The Axis is basically only Germany now.

The Germans wanted it that way in the end

 

There's no place for the late Italian fighters. How about a Macchi C.200 instead? Served almost the entire war on all fronts.

 

[Eisenfaustus]

On 7/22/2020 at 1:13 AM, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

We really need more Italian planes. The Axis is basically only Germany now.

In regard to the scenarios depicted at the moment Italians are already overrepresented in comparison to the Romanians  

 

and after all the Finnish actually flew mostly 109 during the war if I remember correctly 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

5 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

In regard to the scenarios depicted at the moment Italians are already overrepresented in comparison to the Romanians  

 

and after all the Finnish actually flew mostly 109 during the war if I remember correctly 

 

By all means that I want all the nationalities who to part in the Eastern Front campaign.

The IAR80 and the He112 would be interesting choices.

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

Nice list, but some other planes are missing:

 

HS123

Finnish Hurricane

Ju87D-5

MC200

[Roast]

While I love several of the planes listed, I stuck with the original Il-2 BoS series as we simply do not have any Italian, France 1940 etc map/scenario.

Hard to choose between the IAR080 and Yak-3 so I chose the former as the Yak will probably appear anyway.

 

 

[Avimimus]

 

IAR 80 or IAR 81... they are suitable for the theatres we already have (i.e. Stalingrad) and would be a good counterpoint to the I-16! Also really neat aircraft on their own.

 

I'm mainly interested in aircraft that would further round-out existing theatres/maps... that would have a place in single-player and would provide more historical targets to shoot at (or be shot at within).

[MazrimVII]

I would say for the japanese the zero is the most likely to be made since there is enough data and surviving examples to actually recreate a fairly accurate flight model ^^

[Guest deleted@171995]

21.07.2020 в 20:47, Algy-Lacey сказал:

JAPAN  (If the Developers can find enough technical data)

 

FRANCE

 

Yakolev Yak-3 (Normandie-Niemen) - Perhaps the best Russian fighter of WW2, very agile and manoueverable, good climb and top speed. Good all round in every aspect.

 

 

J2M3 Japanese interceptor

Yak-9U was faster than the Yak-3

[Gambit21]

What an odd poll.

[Feathered_IV]

An A6M2 and a small fictitious Pacific Islands DF map similar to that which came with with Il-2 Forgotten Battles’ AEP expansion.  

[Burdokva]

Very hard to choose only one but I voted the D.520. Just as the Yak-3 was listed under France so the D.520 could very well be listed under Bulgaria's VnVV, to complement the (sadly, inaccurate but very nice to have at all) Bf 109E skin in Bulgarian livery that we already have.

 

The D.520 served in three units - 1st, 2nd, 4th orlyaks (Gruppe) from November 1943 when 100 newly built D.520s were supplied to the VnVV. These were used against 15th USAAF strategic bombing raids and frequently tossed it up against P-38s and, later, P-51s. Whatever can be said about the D.520s usability in 1943-44 but the Bulgarian pilot's kill to loss ratio was actually favourable.

 

These then served against the Germans from September through November 1944, mostly as ground attack aircraft, with one brief encounter with Luftwaffe FW-190s. So aside from the obvious use cases for France, you actually have four aircraft it encountered in combat in 1943 - 44 already present - the P-38, the P-51, the B-25, and the FW-190.

 

This aside, the rest:

Yak-3 most likely coming with a Battle of Berlin expansion. Absolutely vital airplane for the entirety of 1944 and 1945 on the Eastern Front (having just finished "Black Cross/Red Star Vol. 4" I understand a preproduction batch labelled Yak-1M was in service back in early 1943).

 

Yak-9U which is missing (but should be) on the list is what I'd definitely buy. The best performing Soviet fighter of the war, even if its engine wasn't cleared for WEP until December 1944 or January 1945. One of the few Soviet machines with good high altitude performance. I'd expect it to be 'OP' but something like a glass cannon due to its problematic engine.

 

I would love both the MC.205 and G.55 but I honestly hope to see them in an eventual Italy expansion. If not, I'd go for the MC.205. As fantastic the Centauro was it was just a limited series aircraft while there were a few hundred Veltros produced. And I imagine reusing assets from the MC.202 we already have would be far easier than modelling the G.55 from scratch.

 

The IAR-80 would be a great addition. Fairly large number produced (for a small country like Romania), decent performance, saw quite a bit of action on the Eastern Front and against 15th USAAF over Romania. I first learned about it in the old Il-2 1946 and was really surprised that it was gorgeous, and pleasant to fly.

 

Hurricane is already coming, no?

 

The Japanese aircraft... I'd love to see them but in all honesty, they wouldn't fit at all in any theater we currently have, and their main adversaries (P-38 aside) are missing. Some day down the line, hopefully.

 

 

[ITAF_Rani]

On 7/22/2020 at 12:01 AM, Algy-Lacey said:

but if I was Italian I would want to see one of the Serie 5 fighters such as the MC.205V, Fiat G.55 or Re.2005, in online servers these would be competitive against Spitfire IX's and P-51 Mustangs.

Is a dream...!!

[Cybermat47]

On 7/22/2020 at 3:47 AM, Algy-Lacey said:

Dewoitine D.520 - Essentially a pre-war design, the D.520 was almost as fast as the Bf-109E and was more manoueverable. Underpowered and slow vs most opponents, fighting in it would prove a real challenge for you armchair aces!

 

It's not about how fast you are.

 

 

It's about how you use the speed you have.

 

 

The D.520 is a load of fun to fly, but I don't see much use for it in GBS unless we get a Battle of France, Battle of Syria, strategic bombing of Italy, or strategic bombing of Bulgaria expansion.

 

Yes, it wasn't just the French who used the D.520, the Italians apparently shot down at least one B-24 with their captured examples.

 

 

The Bulgarians used their own D.520s for the same purpose.

 

 

My vote is for the IAR 80. It works with the map and timeframe of BoS, and when was the last time we saw a Romanian-built aircraft in a flight sim? I was still in diapers when 1946 came out!

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by [Pb]Cybermat47

[R7-S276]

I write late on this topic but I think there is some other planes which could be greats in collector planes specially with the actual maps:

- Fieseler Fi156 Storch (used by several countries from 39 to 45)

- Westland Lysander (used by several countries from 39 to 45)

- Morane-Saulnier Ms406 (used by French, Free French, Vichy, Finland)

- Dornier DO-17 (which is a big classic miss in the game)