jollyjack Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) I bought a few Scripted Campaigns. F.i. Spitfire. But you cannot edit unGTP'd parts of them in the ME. Most campaigns i tried and really liked, i wanted to change something, and run them again as a separate mission file then. IMO a real pity for some IL2 bought missions i like less because of IMO small fry like player plane settings, loadout, waypoints placing, an added block or searchlight etc.. Or remove a lengthy media video start once you saw it is enough. Set a plane to runway start instead of parking is also a big time saver. All in all a reason for me not to buy any prefabbed Campaigns from IL2 anymore. BEFORE YOU BUY ONE FROM IL2 YOU SHOULD BE WARNED THAT IT"S PROTECTED !! ------------------------------------- Feels IMO somehow like a rip-off deal. You bought a very nice car, but you cannot drive it as the gear box is missing. This whole thing is too much patronizing too ... You paid for something, but it's still not yours. Any consumers organization would shoot this policy down. Opinions? ?? Edited July 18, 2020 by jollyjack absolutely NO reason ...
THERION Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Good morning mate Funny, you just realized this - didn't you know before? What about Windows OS we bought since decades! We paid for it, but it's still not ours. Did you think about the hard work done by the author? Doesn't this work deserve some kind of protection? If it was that easy to "hack" those campaigns, imagine how stupid all those would feel who actually bought these? To call this a rip-off deal is really to much exaggerated. This is Intellectual Property - we can find this everywhere: Music, literature, art and product design, software etc. It's nothing new my friend. We are already lucky to be able to modify parts of the simulation, like skins, terrain tiles and other graphic items. So I don't think it is unfair not being able to manipulate scripted campaigns - you also know there are people out there who would modify existing campaigns without shame only to pretend that they "created" a new one. This already happened with mods and skins here. That's my opinion. Cheerio 5
BOO Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 My opinon is that a couple of quid for the research, work, testing, rework and ongoing support that the campaigns get is good value. If the Loadout is locked, its locked for a reason. Any moron can take the biggest bomb or most advantagious fuel load to a fight where they already know what is going to happen or conversely, a person can learn how to use the ME to create anything that suits them more. Personally id like to see more starting from parking over on the runway but each to their own. I dont buy a Mark Postlethwaite painting then complain its doesnt come with crayons so that I can alter it to suit my tastes. So no, i dont think its a rip off. Like Therion also I think that their inner workings should be protected from less talented rip off merchants. Just like skins, there is a lot more to creating something like this than simply following a.b.c and i would not wish to see the talent creating such work stop or dimish as a result of a load or half baked sh1te being touted for free and being passed off as original (again like skins for example). Personally speaking and leaving financial reward out of it, seeing one's own work bastardised and PRAISE being heaped on the tosser who did it is demoralising to the point you stop. 2
Gambit21 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 My opinion? Stop sniveling. I don’t put hundreds of hours of work into carefully designing and testing a campaign so that some clown (that’s you) can come along and make your own edits and do with it as you please and ruin it and worse yet call it your own work. clear enough? Stop whining and learn to use the editor yourself. 3 4
Chief_Mouser Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 7 hours ago, jollyjack said: I bought a few Scripted Campaigns. F.i. Spitfire. But you cannot edit unGTP'd parts of them in the ME. Most campaigns i tried and really liked, i wanted to change something, and run them again as a separate mission file then. IMO a real pity for some IL2 bought missions i like less because of IMO small fry like player plane settings, loadout, waypoints placing, an added block or searchlight etc.. Or remove a lengthy media video start once you saw it is enough. Set a plane to runway start instead of parking is also a big time saver. All in all a reason for me not to buy any prefabbed Campaigns from IL2 anymore. BEFORE YOU BUY ONE FROM IL2 YOU SHOULD BE WARNED THAT IT"S PROTECTED !! ------------------------------------- Feels IMO somehow like a rip-off deal. You bought a very nice car, but you cannot drive it as the gear box is missing. This whole thing is too much patronizing too ... You paid for something, but it's still not yours. Any consumers organization would shoot this policy down. Opinions? ?? This post just confirms to me why I set jollyjack to Ignore some time ago. After seeing Gambit's reply my curiosity got the better of me. Now I wish it hadn't. 1
Jaegermeister Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Posts like this are exactly why I asked to have my most recent campaign protected. Trying to hack the files is even worse but the Devs are a bit ahead of that. 2
jollyjack Posted July 18, 2020 Author Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) As said point taken ... and i understand at least Gambit's viewpoint; his Kuban Campaign is well worked out. I appreciate his work, i don't regret buying it (was not on sale then), and can also respect that he wants to keep his programming efforts private. And the word rip-off sounds maybe too harsh ... apology. Hacking campaigns and re-posting was definitely NOT what i had in mind BTW. With only elephants and trapeze workers a circus can be quite boring, flying or not. Greetz from a clown. Edited July 18, 2020 by jollyjack 2
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