Mc.202 AI vs Yak1 Ser127

[DrDeath_MD]

I was doing a mission in a Yak1 ser 127 and we were jumped by 2 Mc 202's. I was always under the impression the 202's were kind of crappy and slow. However, they hung in there with 4 Yak's. They seemed to turn as good/if not better than the Yak1. For a while I was in a turn with one on my tail. Neither gaining or losing position but not able to pull harder for fear of fully blacking out. The 202 also seemed to be able to climb as good or better. Is this normal? Have I underestimated this plane? I also find the Ser127 a bit hard to fly at high angles of attack it seems to want to stall much faster than the other Yak1.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Macchi 202 it's almost a perfect plane...

The engine is the same of Bf109, so it's pretty fast and you can use him as energy fighter.. but he can also stay in turn fight with spitfire or yak... 

"Almost" perfect because when he fires basically do nothing to enemy planes.. you can add 7.7 Breda or 20mm gunpod, but then you lost a lot of speed and turn ability...

Edited July 11, 2020 by ITAF_Airone1989

[Fritz_X]

2 hours ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

you can add 7.7 Breda or 20mm gunpod, but then you lost a lot of speed and turn ability...

 

I always take the wing mounted 7,7 mm Breda machine guns when flying the Macchi.

 

I don't feel like the added weight is that much of a penalty and even though they are just rifle caliber they are better than no additional fire power. What I also like about them is that the trigger time of them roughly equals those of the main guns.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Yes, I usually use them too...

Are not so bad, but still you are forced to stick on enemy's six to do some damage, and this mean that you become a easy prey for his wingman.

 

In any case, I love that plane ?

[=FEW=fernando11]

I'm not an expert, but the 202 it's one of the underrated planes of il2 GB.

 

It's fast and capable fighter for it's Time.

If well handeled.

 

I use it like an early FW190, go fast, stay fast, but you can make some high speed quick corrections on heading for snap shoots. You can outdive the yak s.127 and in boosted mode (higer RPM) you have a decent climb.

The Ace down your sleeve is that you can use trim and some flaps to turnfight. (Bear in mind that it's NOT a Spitfire or a yak, so dont get overconfident, high speed turning, not turn and burn untill you are treetop)

 

The only Downside, you wont (probably) get a kill from a quick snapshoot.

So maybe the safest way is to damage an enemy,  extend, evaluate the Situation, and atack again if you are free...

Wich in MP means somebody else already got in and finished the kill

 

And be VERY wearly of modded 202 carring 2x 20mm mg151s in the wings

Edited July 11, 2020 by =FEW=fernando11

[Barnacles]

The physiology update has been very kind to the macchi. 

It is so nice and controllable at corner speed, with a great roll rate.

[DrDeath_MD]

 

Then it sounds like the 202 is a real match for the Yak! It was the first fighter I have been stuck in a "static" loop with. If I climbed, they got on my 6--back to the turn. Couldn't drive due to being low--turn. Pull harder--blackout so back to turn. First to leave the turn would die. Thank god for AI wingman.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

You can try to slow down as much as possible, I think Macchi could stall first at slow speed (but not 100% sure)

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

Too bad the guns are rubbish. Attacking IL-2's without gunpods is very frustrating with this thing.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Basically it's impossible... I think you need two Macchi to shoot down one IL2... Using all their weapon

[Thad]

On 7/11/2020 at 7:11 AM, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

The physiology update has been very kind to the macchi. 

It is so nice and controllable at corner speed, with a great roll rate.

 

Yea, and isn't it a beautiful aircraft too. 

[TRRA15]

7 hours ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

Basically it's impossible... I think you need two Macchi to shoot down one IL2... Using all their weapon

FWIW, I've gotten 3 or 4 IL2s in a C202 in a single sortie quite a few times. I do take the wing mounted 7.7mm machine guns though. Ammunition load provides for a fair amount of trigger time for the 12.7mm guns, and I never shoot unless I'm sure I'm going to hit, and I won't shoot unless my rounds land in a concentrated area.

 

Those 12.7 mm gun rounds have lackluster ballistic performance at over 250m, but I shoot at less than that, and when they hit, they DO hit hard.

[ITAF_Airone1989]

I usually prefer to shoot from larger distance (to keep speed and avoid overshoot), but I will try to change tattics and follow your tip...

[II./SG.1-MarkWilhelmsson]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:53 PM, DrDeath_MD said:

I was doing a mission in a Yak1 ser 127 and we were jumped by 2 Mc 202's. I was always under the impression the 202's were kind of crappy and slow. However, they hung in there with 4 Yak's. They seemed to turn as good/if not better than the Yak1. For a while I was in a turn with one on my tail. Neither gaining or losing position but not able to pull harder for fear of fully blacking out. The 202 also seemed to be able to climb as good or better. Is this normal? Have I underestimated this plane? I also find the Ser127 a bit hard to fly at high angles of attack it seems to want to stall much faster than the other Yak1.

 

I describe the Macchi like this through comparison; 

 

Rolls and dives like a 190, climbs like a 109F2, turns with the best of the Russian planes. Only problem is guns are much like the USA .50BMG; you MUST hit very precisely to cause good damage. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by II./SG.1-MarkWilhelmsson

[=621=Samikatz]

Other than the guns, the Macci is excellent for its time. My only beef with it is the awkward stall. The asymmetrical wings mean pushing tight turns feels slightly different in each direction, and it just feels a bit weird? I get why it's like that, but it still throws me off

[216th_Jordan]

9 hours ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

Basically it's impossible... I think you need two Macchi to shoot down one IL2... Using all their weapon

 

You just gotta hit the right spots. A few rounds in the oil cooler and any Il-2 will have a bad day - give it 5 to 10  minutes and it will go down. (The more hits the faster of course)

I once did a test to see how many Il-2s I could shoot down with only Breda and it turned out to be 8 planes (but no reargunner so safe gunning).

[I./JG1_Baron]

MC. 202 is great fighter. On other side - i want  Reggiane Re. 2005 or Fiat G. 55 in future ?

[Fritz_X]

3 hours ago, I./JG1_Baron said:

MC. 202 is great fighter. On other side - i want  Reggiane Re. 2005 or Fiat G. 55 in future ?

 

Why can I upvote this only once?

 

Can't repeat myself often enough, Italy 1943 would be a dream come true for me.

[I./JG1_Baron]

5 hours ago, Fritz_X said:

Italy 1943 would be a dream come true for me.

 

Not only for you mate ? If we'll have MTO with Reggia Aeronautica I will really happy. And if we'll have Battle of France as well - I will in Nirvana ?

Edited July 13, 2020 by I./JG1_Baron

[40plus]

4 hours ago, Fritz_X said:

 

Can't repeat myself often enough, Italy 1943 would be a dream come true for me.

 

And I can't Upvote statements like this enough.

[362nd_Thorns]

I would like to see the MC.205 with 2x20mm cannons...plus better everything else...MC.205 is a beast!

 

[MigSu]

On 7/10/2020 at 11:53 PM, DrDeath_MD said:

I was doing a mission in a Yak1 ser 127 and we were jumped by 2 Mc 202's. I was always under the impression the 202's were kind of crappy and slow. However, they hung in there with 4 Yak's. They seemed to turn as good/if not better than the Yak1. For a while I was in a turn with one on my tail. Neither gaining or losing position but not able to pull harder for fear of fully blacking out. The 202 also seemed to be able to climb as good or better. Is this normal? Have I underestimated this plane? I also find the Ser127 a bit hard to fly at high angles of attack it seems to want to stall much faster than the other Yak1.

You are not becoming crazy, and the 202 is not a hide Mustang or something, the point is that now all soviet planes are just USELESS! I have a lot to share about experiences like this, but will be in a new post.

 I dont know what is going on, but they are killing this.

 

 

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

The most important thing in the Macchi = right after take-off ....throw the canopy away

 

a)

better view to the back and overall better view to the sides

 

b)

you will fly "outside" - like driving an italian sportscar down the Amalfi coastline in a Vespa (I know this, its just beautiful)