PIMAX in WIN10 2004H1

[=GW=a7610783]

After pushing the WIN10 2004 version, I tried GPU hardware acceleration (must restart the computer after switching)

My device uses PITOOL 261 version, CPU 8086K overclocked 5.2G 16G RAM 2080TI

Set the rendering quality under PITOOL 1 Catalyst 10 144HZ parallel projection is turned on Smart projection is turned on, steam vr 100%> is very bad, there will be severe stuttering when the picture cannot reach 72HZ in WOL, this time it happened with two eyes instead of single right eye.

So after searching the forum, I tried new settings

Rendering quality 1 Catalyst 10 90HZ Parallel projection is turned on Smart projection is turned off, steam vr 90%> very good, GPU utilization rate reaches 85% (99% at steam vr 100%, but as soon as the load exceeds the screen, it will start to stutter, so I (Reserved 15% usage rate)

WIN10 2004 is very compatible with the catalyst function. It is recommended that you pilot PIMAX VR

And I wish PIMAX 8KX supporters receive the helmet as soon as possible (I am also a PIMAX 8K supporter and upgrade 8KX pre-order)

 

I am afraid that there is a problem with the quality of the translation, so I leave the version in my native language below. Please correct it if there are any translation errors

 

 

在WIN10 2004版本推送後，我嘗試了GPU硬體加速(切換完成後必須重新開機)

我的設備使用PITOOL 261版本，CPU 8086K超頻5.2G  16G RAM 2080TI

在PITOOL下設定渲染質量1 催化劑10  144HZ 平行投影開啟 智能投影開啟,steam vr 100%>十分糟糕，在WOL中畫面無法達到72HZ時會有嚴重的口吃，這次是兩眼一起發生而非單除右眼。

於是搜索論壇後我嘗試了新的設置

渲染質量1 催化劑10 90HZ  平行投影開啟  智能投影關閉， steam vr 90%>非常棒，GPU使用率達到85%(在steam vr 100%時達到99%，但只要超過負荷畫面就會開始口吃，所以我預留15%使用率)

WIN10 2004與催化劑功能十分搭配，建議各位PIMAX VR飛行員投入嘗試

並祝PIMAX 8KX支持者早日收到頭盔(我也是PIMAX 8K支持者 並升級8KX預購)

Edited July 3, 2020 by =GW=a7610783

[fiddlinjim]

I tried the GPU Hardware Acceleration with Win 10, Pimax 5K+, Pitool 260 and 1080Ti and found it unacceptable because of extreme jittery performance.

I have not received  Win 10 2004 or Pitool 261 todate.

[TCW_Brzi_Joe]

55 minutes ago, fiddlinjim said:

the GPU Hardware Acceleration with Win 10,

What do you mean with that? I have 2080ti which has automated high load mode without overclocking, but that is not that? Are you using overclocking software?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Guys, you need to re-read the post of GW. Fiddlinjim is talking about something else than GW.

 

There is a new mode in v2004 that GW has used. You need to update your windows, pt to 261, and enable the new mode to get a similar result.

[Alonzo]

I have not updated to Windows 10 2004. I am on the older 1903.

 

My hardware is Intel 8086K @ 4.9ghz, RTX 2080, Pimax Artisan. PiTool 261.

 

I do not use Parallel Projection mode. I use VREM mod to correct the zoom problems. This works ok, it's not great. But 40% less pixels than parallel projection mode.

 

If I set GPU catalyst above 0.25, I get a flickering right eye screen.

 

My strategy is to use 120hz mode but with smart smoothing off. This looks better to me. I get 70 - 100 FPS depending on what I am doing in flight.

 

我尚未更新到Windows 102004。我使用的是较旧的1903。

我的硬件是Intel 8086K @ 4.9ghz，RTX 2080，Pimax Artisan。 PiTool 261。

我不使用平行投影模式。我使用VREM mod来纠正缩放问题。可以，但不是很好。但是像素比平行投影模式少40％。

如果将GPU催化剂设置为0.25以上，则右眼屏幕会闪烁。

我的策略是使用120hz模式。禁用智能平滑。这对我来说看起来更好。我会得到70-100 FPS，这取决于我在飞行中的工作。

 

(Translation note: I would strongly suggest using Google translate back *and* forth to check your translation. Google mis-translated my original message, reversing the meaning of one of the things I said. I simplified my language, and the translation worked better.)

[=GW=a7610783]

8 hours ago, Brzi_Joe said:

你那是什麼意思？我有2080ti，它具有自動高負載模式而沒有超頻，但這不是嗎？您在使用超頻軟件嗎？

The current WIN10 2004 version needs to be updated manually, you can find it in WIN 10 UPDATE

WIN10 (hardware accelerated GPU scheduling) must be turned on to use the catalyst normally

PITOOL 261 can be found in PITOOL in the PIMAX Forum

 

目前的WIN10 2004版本需要手動更新，你可以在WIN 10 UPDATE裡找到它

必須開啟WIN10 (硬體加速GPU排程)才能正常使用催化劑

PITOOL 261則可以在PIMAX論壇的PITOOL裡面找到

9 hours ago, fiddlinjim said:

我在Win 10，Pimax 5K +，Pitool 260和1080Ti上嘗試了GPU硬件加速，但由於極高的抖動性能而無法接受。

到目前為止，我還沒有收到Win 10 2004或Pitool 261。

If you did not update to the 2004 version, then your hardware acceleration is early, this time the hardware acceleration of the 2004 version is a new feature

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The link to the Windows Update is in my sticky thread.

 

So far, often people cannot get that Windows Update by using the inbuilt update function of Windows. You need to do the update manually.

[=GW=a7610783]

51 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Windows Update的鏈接在我的粘性線程中。

 

到目前為止，人們通常無法使用Windows的內置更新功能來獲得Windows Update。您需要手動進行更新。

I am in Taiwan, using the built-in manual update

[=GW=a7610783]

16 hours ago, Alonzo said:

我尚未更新到Windows 102004。我使用的是較舊的1903。

 

我的硬件是Intel 8086K @ 4.9ghz，RTX 2080，Pimax Artisan。PiTool 261。

 

我不使用平行投影模式。我使用VREM mod來糾正縮放問題。這樣可以，不是很好。但是像素比平行投影模式少40％。

 

如果將GPU催化劑設置為0.25以上，則右眼屏幕會閃爍。

 

我的策略是使用120hz模式，但要進行智能平滑處理。這對我來說看起來更好。我會得到70-100 FPS，這取決於我在飛行中的工作。

 

我尚未更新到Windows102004。我使用的是較舊的1903。

我的硬件是Intel 8086K @ 4.9ghz，RTX 2080，Pimax Artisan。PiTool 261。

我不使用平行投影模式。我使用VREM mod來縮小縮放問題。可以，但不是很好。但是導致比平行投影模式少40％。

如果將GPU催化劑設置為0.25以上，則右眼屏幕會閃爍。

我的策略是使用120hz模式。局部智能平滑。這對我來說看起來更好。我會得到70-100 FPS，這就是我在飛行中的工作。

 

（翻譯說明：我強烈建議使用Google來回翻譯，以檢查您的翻譯。Google錯誤翻譯了我的原始信息，使我所說的話的意思相反。我簡化了語言，翻譯效果更好）

There is no problem with your translation, I can understand it. It seems that the translation of Chinese into English will have a problem of grammatical confusion; English to Chinese will not have this phenomenon

[Alonzo]

6 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

The link to the Windows Update is in my sticky thread.

 

So far, often people cannot get that Windows Update by using the inbuilt update function of Windows. You need to do the update manually.

 

I'm a bit confused -- is this a good new feature, the GPU scheduling, or a buggy one?

[=GW=a7610783]

No, when I wol his usage is very level, down less than 5%, unless there are other body to be rendered, will increase by about 5%

This is the operation record of my STEAM super sampling at 120%. Because it will stutter when it encounters multiple people, I reduced it to 90% to keep it at 85% utilization rate.

 

The other one is the 90% utilization rate of STEAM VR in WOL (the middle drop is because I left the window to use LINE screenshots)

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by =GW=a7610783

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

18 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

I'm a bit confused -- is this a good new feature, the GPU scheduling, or a buggy one?

A very good new feature. I've tested it with LH systems (CE, Index) and WMR (Reverb). It reduces perceivable latency. For Pimax it should make the GPU Catalyst in PT261 useable. To increase GPU utilization back to 90-95%. I can only tell about the latter once I have gotten the 8KX.

[chiliwili69]

20 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I've tested it with LH systems (CE, Index) and WMR (Reverb). It reduces perceivable latency.

Can you ellaborate this more? do you mean latency when you move your head? How did you measure the improvement? (specially for Index)

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Perceivable. It's similar to switching between 80Hz and 144Hz. For it, go into SteamVR Home environment, as the hands are not limited by inertia as for example in HL Alyx. Fling them up and down. 

With this setting, I made <12 seconds on the pistol range in Contractors. I immediately was 2-3 seconds faster in every run. Then I turned it back off, and I got slower again, as I missed more shots. It was within 10 minutes so I'd exclude any exhaustion. Was done in Index.

 

As I said though, it is a perceivable observation. There is no clean testing possible on this. The hint that this is its advantage, as stated by MS and Nvidia, is enough to convince me this observation wasn't born out of nothing.

[Beazil]

Hey Fenris: I've tried forcing the windows update with no joy.  Got an error message simply stating my computer is not yet supported.  We can talk via pm, but I thought someone else might run into this too.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I'm not Microsoft support -> I haven't heard of that issue yet ?Forcing the update worked for me.

 

Stating the obvious, but: Make sure you use your Windows 10 in English. You're always going down a slippery slope with localized versions. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[spitfirejoe]

On 7/6/2020 at 7:34 PM, JG51_Beazil said:

Hey Fenris: I've tried forcing the windows update with no joy.  Got an error message simply stating my computer is not yet supported.  We can talk via pm, but I thought someone else might run into this too.

 

I did also the Update to 2004, because somwhere here I read that the 60Hz option of the Reverb in Windows Mixed Reality should work better with no flickering anymore………………….for me not the case, no improvement, the 60Hz is flickering that much, that I get eye cancer.

The downside of my 2004 update is that everytime I boot my PC I get a very strange window telling about some BIOS problems and first I have to open the BIOS.....in BIOS I have no clue what the problem should be, then starting Windows and then the PC starts to boot, very annoying.

Is that the same case you are talking about? 

If you have a solution, please let me know.

I run Windows 10 in english and not in german though.

Edited July 9, 2020 by spitfirejoe

[=GW=a7610783]

5 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

 

我也做了2004年的更新，因為在這裡我讀到某個地方，Windows Mixed Reality中混響的60Hz選項應該可以更好地工作，不再閃爍……………………。對我而言，不是60Hz閃爍得那麼多，我得了眼癌。

2004年更新的缺點是，每次啟動PC時，我都會看到一個非常奇怪的窗口，其中講述了一些BIOS問題，首先我必須打開BIOS .....在BIOS中，我不知道問題應該是什麼，然後啟動Windows，然後PC開始啟動，這很煩人。

您說的是同一案件嗎？ 

如果您有解決方案，請告訴我。

我使用英語而不是德語運行Windows 10。

Does the boot screen require you to press F1 or DEL?
If it is possible to try to replace the CR2032 mercury battery on the motherboard

[Beazil]

6 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

 

Is that the same case you are talking about? 

 

No, but thank you.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

14 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

 

I did also the Update to 2004, because somwhere here I read that the 60Hz option of the Reverb in Windows Mixed Reality should work better with no flickering anymore………………….for me not the case, no improvement, the 60Hz is flickering that much, that I get eye cancer.

The downside of my 2004 update is that everytime I boot my PC I get a very strange window telling about some BIOS problems and first I have to open the BIOS.....in BIOS I have no clue what the problem should be, then starting Windows and then the PC starts to boot, very annoying.

Is that the same case you are talking about? 

If you have a solution, please let me know.

I run Windows 10 in english and not in german though.

Oh man that's sh*t to hear man. 

Check all your MoBo Drivers, check the official page of the manufacturer for your Motherboard. They carry the latest versions usually.

If that doesn't work, try to reapply the Update using Windows Media Creator with a USB-stick - maybe that may help. Make sure to make Recovery Points, always. Damn, M$ at it again. 

 

Last time they effed up distortion profiles for WMR headsets at 60Hz for almost a year before fixing it. It was the problem with the warped view. I hope they don't mess up my future Reverb G2 in this manner ??

Edited July 9, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[spitfirejoe]

Thank you all for the answers.

Actually that is what I always get now when I boot my PC.

I have no idea what that means, I am not a Computer Geek.

Any idea how I can get rid of this?!

thanks

[=GW=a7610783]

53分鐘前，spitfirejoe說：

謝謝大家的回答。

實際上，這就是我啟動PC時總是得到的。

我不知道那意味著什麼，我不是計算機極客。

知道我該如何理由嗎？

謝謝

If your motherboard to use more than three years, replace your battery cr2032 mercury, and update your bios inside the right time

[spitfirejoe]

On 7/10/2020 at 3:40 AM, =GW=a7610783 said:

If your motherboard to use more than three years, replace your battery cr2032 mercury, and update your bios inside the right time

 

Hello, thank you very much.

My motherboard is 2 years old……..I will check that battery. Thank you.

 

EDIT:

I changed the motherboard battery today and it works again, thank you for your help.

Edited July 11, 2020 by spitfirejoe

[Alonzo]

Reporting back with my very brief testing. I forced the install of Win10 2004 patch by downloading the ISO, disconnecting network cable, then installing. I did some backups first! After upgrading to the 2004 version of Windows, I applied all remaining Windows updates, and also the latest NVidia driver. Then I turned on HAGS. Result: 36% performance uplift on my Pimax Artisan!

 

Details:

Intel 8086K @ 4.9ghz, AVX offset 0, 3600-CAS16 RAM
EVGA RTX 2080 XC Ultra, "stock" (factory OC, no specific settings)

 

IL2 Sturmovik 4.008, custom "Alonzo benchmark track" 2 minutes.
FRAPS for framerate recording, Chili method.

Graphics settings below.

Pimax Artisan.
Pitool RQ 1.0, SteamVR SS 100%, Parallel Projection Off, 2320x2104 per eye resolution.
120hz mode, smart smoothing off.

Benchmarks:

HAGS ON, Catalyst 0.0
2020-07-15 13:51:13 - Il-2
Frames: 8484 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 70.700 - Min: 58 - Max: 79
Max GPU usage: ~80%


HAGS ON, Catalyst 10.0
2020-07-15 13:56:43 - Il-2
Frames: 11627 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 96.892 - Min: 78 - Max: 112
Max GPU usage: ~99%

Graphics settings (not a recommendation, just in case you want to know what I was running):

[KEY = graphics]
      3dhud = 0
      adapter = 0
      bloom_enable = 0
      canopy_ref = 0
      desktop_center = 1
      detail_rt_res = 1024
      draw_distance = 0.54500
      far_blocks = 0
      fps_counter = 0
      fps_limit = 0
      full_height = 1080
      full_width = 2560
      fullscreen = 0
      gamma = 0.80000
      grass_distance = 0.00000
      hdr_enable = 0
      land_anisotropy = 1
      land_tex_lods = 3
      max_cache_res = 1
      max_clouds_quality = 1
      mgpu_compatible = 0
      mirrors = 1
      msaa = 0
      multisampling = 1
      or_ca = 0.00000
      or_dummy = 0
      or_enable = 1
      or_height = 2104
      or_hud_rad = 1.50000
      or_hud_size = 0.75000
      or_ipd = 0.06103
      or_sipdc = 0.00000
      or_width = 2320
      post_sharpen = 1
      preset = 1
      prop_blur_max_rpm_for_vr = 155
      rescale_target = 1.00000
      shadows_quality = 2
      ssao_enable = 0
      stereo_dof = 5.00000
      vsync = 0
      win_height = 900
      win_width = 1600
[END]

 

[Alonzo]

So, after a bit of experimentation, I'd say that although Win10 2004 + HAGS helps with GPU usage and FPS, it can create glitches in the display.

 

My first tests showed I could get up to 100 FPS in my test track, so naturally I cranked my settings up and made the GPU work harder. With an average of 77 FPS in the track (still good enough to play, because the track is intended to be "worse case" near ground flying) I found that I had severe tearing in the displays. Changing my catalyst setting did not help.

 

I'm now playing with my settings to try to figure out combinations of settings that give me both good FPS and GPU usage, but also no tearing/glitches in the displays. I'd say it's not (yet) a slam dunk to do this upgrade.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Alonzo said:

So, after a bit of experimentation, I'd say that although Win10 2004 + HAGS helps with GPU usage and FPS, it can create glitches in the display.

 

My first tests showed I could get up to 100 FPS in my test track, so naturally I cranked my settings up and made the GPU work harder. With an average of 77 FPS in the track (still good enough to play, because the track is intended to be "worse case" near ground flying) I found that I had severe tearing in the displays. Changing my catalyst setting did not help.

 

I'm now playing with my settings to try to figure out combinations of settings that give me both good FPS and GPU usage, but also no tearing/glitches in the displays. I'd say it's not (yet) a slam dunk to do this upgrade.

 

What is this HAGS you are referring to?

So far things looking good on my end, playing with graphics pretty much maxed out in my  Rift S with very good performance.

Spent a lot of time in my PWCG P-51 campaign both yesterday and today.

I got the 2004 update on Saturday.

Edited July 15, 2020 by dburne

[Alonzo]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

What is this HAGS you are referring to?

So far things looking good on my end, playing with graphics pretty much maxed out in my  Rift S with very good performance.

Spent a lot of time in my PWCG P-51 campaign both yesterday and today.

I got the 2004 update on Saturday.

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-may-update-could-boost-your-gaming-performance-for-free/

 

Basically it's a thing that might offload CPU work onto the GPU, resulting in a gaming improvement. Looks like for most mainstream pancake games there's little gain. But Pimax software is weird and prior to me updating Windows and enablings HAGS, I was seeing 75% GPU usage only. The Oculus software is much better and likely maxing out your GPU or giving you 80 FPS already. This update allows me to hit 98% GPU usage and many more FPS. But it also causes tiny screen tearing on the Pimax screens. They claim they know about it and are going to fix it, I guess we'll see.

[dburne]

9 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-may-update-could-boost-your-gaming-performance-for-free/

 

Basically it's a thing that might offload CPU work onto the GPU, resulting in a gaming improvement. Looks like for most mainstream pancake games there's little gain. But Pimax software is weird and prior to me updating Windows and enablings HAGS, I was seeing 75% GPU usage only. The Oculus software is much better and likely maxing out your GPU or giving you 80 FPS already. This update allows me to hit 98% GPU usage and many more FPS. But it also causes tiny screen tearing on the Pimax screens. They claim they know about it and are going to fix it, I guess we'll see.

 

Ok thanks I will look into that.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

See, I said it. Well, it's very good, that performance increase, but Cat = 10 is probably too much. Try = 9 lives for the Cat.

 

One thing to remember, if you change Catalyst settings you always need to restart SteamVR. As the VRcompositor often does not close properly when closing SteamVR, you want to check the task manager or better yet, restart the Computer.

[Alonzo]

2 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

See, I said it. Well, it's very good, that performance increase, but Cat = 10 is probably too much. Try = 9 lives for the Cat.

 

One thing to remember, if you change Catalyst settings you always need to restart SteamVR. As the VRcompositor often does not close properly when closing SteamVR, you want to check the task manager or better yet, restart the Computer.

 

Gah. That makes the tweak/tune cycle difficult, and no-wonder I was seeing zero improvement when changing the slider (after starting at 10 !). Can I just kill the VRcompositor process? I'd rather not reboot each time, it takes the headset a while to be recognized and regain tracking.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

That might work too. I'm never certain with Pimax software ? I mean, sure, it's more feature rich than any other headset manufacturer would allow for. Which is probably the reason. Yeah try to kill the vrcompositor and restart steamvr then. You could write a .bat just for this, it'll ease things.  ?

[dburne]

On 7/15/2020 at 9:41 PM, Alonzo said:

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-may-update-could-boost-your-gaming-performance-for-free/

 

Basically it's a thing that might offload CPU work onto the GPU, resulting in a gaming improvement. Looks like for most mainstream pancake games there's little gain. But Pimax software is weird and prior to me updating Windows and enablings HAGS, I was seeing 75% GPU usage only. The Oculus software is much better and likely maxing out your GPU or giving you 80 FPS already. This update allows me to hit 98% GPU usage and many more FPS. But it also causes tiny screen tearing on the Pimax screens. They claim they know about it and are going to fix it, I guess we'll see.

 

Ok I enabled it and have several hours now in with it, can't really say I can tell a difference with my Rift S on my end.

Edited July 22, 2020 by dburne

[Alonzo]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

Ok I enabled it and have several hours now in with it, can't really say I can tell a difference with my Rift S on my end.

 

Yeah. I think with well-written software you're not going to notice a difference. Pimax have released a new version of their stuff which works well with HAGS off, gives me 97% GPU utilization now and good frame rates. Sadly the comfort is terrible, I'm going to get an Index instead.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Hate to say, didn't recommend to get that Artisan. Even the Reverb Pro G1 is probably more applicable now for IL-2 at their reduced price (you can get them for 480 now in Germany on Amazon), if your IPD is within range. And the Reverb G2 is around the corner, I'd order that one instead if you can wait 2 months.

 

Non-Vision Pimax indeed requires HTC's DAS and the Comfort Kit. Otherwise it's just nose-hurting imo. Or one of the Vision 8KX with proper MAS, which don't suffer from the comfort issue and need to get the additional items.

 

I just put my Index in the box in the morning and will send it back in the afternoon when I get to the post office. It lacks both sharpness and FOV. That's constantly getting on my nerves.

Edited July 23, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Alonzo]

On 7/23/2020 at 2:49 AM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Hate to say, didn't recommend to get that Artisan. Even the Reverb Pro G1 is probably more applicable now for IL-2 at their reduced price (you can get them for 480 now in Germany on Amazon), if your IPD is within range. And the Reverb G2 is around the corner, I'd order that one instead if you can wait 2 months.

 

Non-Vision Pimax indeed requires HTC's DAS and the Comfort Kit. Otherwise it's just nose-hurting imo. Or one of the Vision 8KX with proper MAS, which don't suffer from the comfort issue and need to get the additional items.

 

I just put my Index in the box in the morning and will send it back in the afternoon when I get to the post office. It lacks both sharpness and FOV. That's constantly getting on my nerves.

 

I considered the Artisan purchase an experiment in "do I need the FOV?". The answer is "yes please, but only if it's usable". ? One major thing about the Pimax seems to be that their IPD, while adjustable, is completely mislabeled/misadvertised. The lenses physically only go down to about 64mm (despite the software claiming it's 60mm), and my IPD is 62.8, so I get fairly large areas of blurriness outside of the center of the lens. I like the increased FOV, especially the vertical. I'm going to try the Index, if that doesn't work out I can at least resell it. The Pimax has started cracking already so the resale is gonna be in the toilet.

 

What we're all waiting for is a mainstream manufacturer to do a wide(r) FOV headset. I'll try the Index meantime.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Alonzo said:

 

I considered the Artisan purchase an experiment in "do I need the FOV?". The answer is "yes please, but only if it's usable". ? One major thing about the Pimax seems to be that their IPD, while adjustable, is completely mislabeled/misadvertised. The lenses physically only go down to about 64mm (despite the software claiming it's 60mm), and my IPD is 62.8, so I get fairly large areas of blurriness outside of the center of the lens. I like the increased FOV, especially the vertical. I'm going to try the Index, if that doesn't work out I can at least resell it. The Pimax has started cracking already so the resale is gonna be in the toilet.

 

What we're all waiting for is a mainstream manufacturer to do a wide(r) FOV headset. I'll try the Index meantime.

 

Yeah for FOV being a primary concern Index is probably best bet for now.

I would like to see Valve joint the fray in offering an updated model sometime in the not too distant future.

I considered it previously but me being more a graphics quality person than FOV I did not think it would be worth the investment to me.

I am also lucky in that I have a very average IPD.

[Alonzo]

22 minutes ago, dburne said:

Yeah for FOV being a primary concern Index is probably best bet for now.

I would like to see Valve joint the fray in offering an updated model sometime in the not too distant future.

I considered it previously but me being more a graphics quality person than FOV I did not think it would be worth the investment to me.

I am also lucky in that I have a very average IPD.

 

We need some sort of headset testing club. It feels to me like they are very personal -- someone's IPD, symmetry of their face, bulginess of eyes, shape of head all add up to a different experience for each person for each headset. Until we have stuff that auto-adjusts to your actual eyes the "best" headset is gonna vary wildly. Really need to try them in person.

 

I can see why people love the Pimax so much, the FOV is great, the screens are decent, just for me, with a smaller-than-average IPD I just can't get them adjusted how I want. The stereo overlap for me is actually fuzzy, and I'm into the "fuzz zone" on the outside of the lenses at about the same point the Index FOV runs out. So if, for me, the Index can be adjusted to have good edge-to-edge clarity, it'll be a better headset (for me) than the Pimax.

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Fully agree. I don't get why headset manufacturers still don't cover all IPD ranges. It's the same with me for the Rifts and the Reverb, I got 69mm for IPD and cannot properly use them.

 

I didn't have cracks on the 5K+ but I wouldn't trust Pimax with buying non-rugged housed headsets anymore (non-"Vision" Headsets) with all the stories I have read. I also don't think the Artisan has a FOV that is worth that trouble over the Index. I'd never recommend that to anyone anyway, for its price plus the upgrades plus the hassle, it stands no chance against the Index. Or the HP Reverb Pro G1, which I still consider better for Simulators than the Index.