Normandy Career

[Q_Walker]

How long will the Normandy Career be? Will it be as long as some of the other careers that we have?

[Legioneod]

My guess is from April-August but I'm not sure. Probably not gonna be the longest career but we'll have plenty of time to enjoy the map and everything even with only 4 or so months of career time. Plus we'll be able to transfer to bodenplatte since it occurs after.

Edited June 19, 2020 by Legioneod

[41Sqn_Skipper]

 

[PatrickAWlson]

On 6/19/2020 at 4:28 PM, Q_Walker said:

How long will the Normandy Career be? Will it be as long as some of the other careers that we have?

 

Three years.  Mid 1941 to Sept 1944.  Only partially kidding.  The plane set will exist to cover that period and the map is stationary.  It is feasible. 

[Cybermat47]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Three years.  Mid 1941 to Sept 1944.  Only partially kidding.  The plane set will exist to cover that period and the map is stationary.  It is feasible. 

Well, strictly speaking the map will be suitable for early 1944 at the earliest, unless the player is willing to suspend their disbelief at the anachronistic fortifications of the Atlantic Wall and Rommel’s additions to them existing at earlier dates.

[Luftschiff]

I think a great many of us are.

[Feathered_IV]

4 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Well, strictly speaking the map will be suitable for early 1944 at the earliest, unless the player is willing to suspend their disbelief at the anachronistic fortifications of the Atlantic Wall and Rommel’s additions to them existing at earlier dates.

There will certainly be large areas of the in-game map where no particular defenses are shown at all.  For time money and performance reasons it is likely that a small ration of fortifications will only appear in the precise spots where the allied forces actually landed. 

[41Sqn_Skipper]

5 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Well, strictly speaking the map will be suitable for early 1944 at the earliest, unless the player is willing to suspend their disbelief at the anachronistic fortifications of the Atlantic Wall and Rommel’s additions to them existing at earlier dates.

 

Buildings can be removed/added in the mission editor, thus fortifications won't be ab issue. Apart from that: the influence of fortifications on the pilot is almost zero, unless you fly really low and crash into it.

A bigger issue will be the gap in the alllied planeset for 42/43.

Edited June 25, 2020 by 41Sqn_Skipper

[LuftManu]

6 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Three years.  Mid 1941 to Sept 1944.  Only partially kidding.  The plane set will exist to cover that period and the map is stationary.  It is feasible. 

Hey Patrick! I've think I saw one of your post stating that you were going to support 1942 and 1943 opertions in PWCG. Did I dream or you really wrote that?

[Rodwonder]

6 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Three years.  Mid 1941 to Sept 1944.  Only partially kidding.  The plane set will exist to cover that period and the map is stationary.  It is feasible. 

 

Would love a career that would start from early 1941 till the end of the war and be able to switch fronts... 

[danielprates]

7 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Only partially kidding

 

So 4 months stock career, plus 32 months of another good PW career, right?

26 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

There will certainly be large areas of the in-game map where no particular defenses are shown at all.  For time money and performance reasons it is likely that a small ration of fortifications will only appear in the precise spots where the allied forces actually landed. 

 

I would be cool with it if they find a way to model a heavy land/sea presence, but only in the very spot where the mission happens. I wouldnt mind if it was merely a couple of kms wide. One has to be crazy to really expect an entire front of hundreds of kms fully packed with troops, ships, fortifications etc.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Hey Patrick! I've think I saw one of your post stating that you were going to support 1942 and 1943 opertions in PWCG. Did I dream or you really wrote that?

 

I intend to.  1C is very strict about planes and timelines being extremely accurate.  I am less so.  Best example to date is: I use the Ju87D for Moscow.  That is not historically accurate, but I chose that course over no Stuka at all.

 

So I will use the 1944 P47 Razorback for 1943 US.  Not strictly accurate but close enough.  For British we have the Spitfire V and soon the Hurricane Mk II.  I might stretch the Typhoon timeline as well.  B25 and A20 might not be exactly the right planes but I will use them.  The German stable is pretty good for early war with all of the 109s, the 190 starting with the A3, and the 110, soon 410, and Ju88.  

 

Will it require some suspension of belief?  Yes.  It won't be perfect.  Should be fun though.  

[LuftManu]

10 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

  Should be fun though.  

Yes it will! Thanks Pat

[Irishratticus72]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I intend to.  1C is very strict about planes and timelines being extremely accurate.  I am less so.  Best example to date is: I use the Ju87D for Moscow.  That is not historically accurate, but I chose that course over no Stuka at all.

 

So I will use the 1944 P47 Razorback for 1943 US.  Not strictly accurate but close enough.  For British we have the Spitfire V and soon the Hurricane Mk II.  I might stretch the Typhoon timeline as well.  B25 and A20 might not be exactly the right planes but I will use them.  The German stable is pretty good for early war with all of the 109s, the 190 starting with the A3, and the 110, soon 410, and Ju88.  

 

Will it require some suspension of belief?  Yes.  It won't be perfect.  Should be fun though.  

Spit V? Those FWs are gonna get all they can eat. 

[PatrickAWlson]

51 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Spit V? Those FWs are gonna get all they can eat. 

 

And they did until the Spit IX came along in 43.  FW 190 A3 is a 1942 plane.

 

But this is a game.  The AI is going to turn fight with the 190 so no worries  

[Irishratticus72]

1 minute ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

And they did until the Spit IX came along in 43.  FW 190 A3 is a 1942 plane.

 

But this is a game.  The AI is going to turn fight with the 190 so no worries  

Yup, I`m re-reading Caldwell`s JG26 at the moment, and I feel so much for those Vb boys.

 

[Field-Ops]

Its a pretty long flight over the channel so I imagine pretty long 

[Jaegermeister]

22 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Well, strictly speaking the map will be suitable for early 1944 at the earliest, unless the player is willing to suspend their disbelief at the anachronistic fortifications of the Atlantic Wall and Rommel’s additions to them existing at earlier dates.

 

If those objects are even there or in the ME to place... we don’t know that yet.

[sevenless]

13 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Yup, I`m re-reading Caldwell`s JG26 at the moment, and I feel so much for those Vb boys.

 

 

Would make sense to give us the Merlin 45M engine for the LF Spitfire V. Let´s see if they can squeeze that in. Would be a nice touch.

 

Spitfire LF.Mk VB, BL479, flown by Group Captain M.W.S Robinson, station commander of RAF Northolt, August 1943. This Spitfire has the wide bladed Rotol propeller, the internal armoured windscreen and "clipped" wings.

Edited June 26, 2020 by sevenless

[Talon_]

18 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

FW 190 A3 is a 1942 plane

 

First Spitfire squadron operational with the Mark IX in July 1942 remember  

[ShamrockOneFive]

If we're quibbling on in-service dates... there's some key differences between the early Spitfire F.IX with a Merlin 61 in 1942. Some of those would even be built as Mark V airframes and converted to early Mark IX standard. Our Spitfire IXe is very much a 1944 standard airplane.

[PatrickAWlson]

4 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

If we're quibbling on in-service dates... there's some key differences between the early Spitfire F.IX with a Merlin 61 in 1942. Some of those would even be built as Mark V airframes and converted to early Mark IX standard. Our Spitfire IXe is very much a 1944 standard airplane.

 

Also good information.  Again, I am a take what I've got and use it as well as I can type.  So if the current in game IX is a 1944 type then extend that back to 1943 and extend the V forward.  Hopefully I remember this stuff a year from now when the map comes out  

[=621=Samikatz]

I would love an expanded MkV, it's an airframe with such a long history, including up through the Normandy landings with VOS-7, and would happily pay for an upgrade package for it

[ShamrockOneFive]

9 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Also good information.  Again, I am a take what I've got and use it as well as I can type.  So if the current in game IX is a 1944 type then extend that back to 1943 and extend the V forward.  Hopefully I remember this stuff a year from now when the map comes out  

 

I think it's pretty reasonable to extend the Spitfire IXe back to 1943 in the framework you're going with. The first of the Spitfire LF.IX's (labeled IX-B in many pilot logs) were starting to come in by mid-1943 and the performance there versus our LF.IXe is going to be relatively minimal. Avoid the 150 octane, the Mark II GGS computing gunsight and you should be pretty much on.

 

The Spitfire Vb can absolutely be extended into 1944 as there were still many squadrons flying the Mark V even by D-Day.

[41Sqn_Skipper]

The Spitfire V was initially  limited to +9 boost (+12 only for take-off!). The +16 boost emergency is proven to have been usable from January 1942 on.

Edited June 26, 2020 by 41Sqn_Skipper