Bern_M Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) I am a big fan of flight simulation and game since +/- 3 years old (even though it was just watching my dad play and sometimes trying to get off the ground in "invencible" mode). My first games were Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Flight Simulator 98. In 2017 I bought IL2 BOS for R$ 79.99 (Brazilian real), +/- USD 15. It was 50% off (I checked this in my purchase history). After all, it was another R$ 3,000.00 with equipment at the time (a big investment). Today I look at the prices and come to the conclusion that, to buy the DLC (downloadable content in development) Battle of Normandy (which, at a discount, is costing USD 79.99) I would need to have R$ 480.00. The minimum wage in Brazil is around R$ 1,040.00, that is, almost half. I'm an intern, I earn monthly +/- R$ 600.00. How can I buy a product that, in a period of 3 years, has gone from 30 USD (R$ 160,00) and not USD 15 as i said before, to almost 80 USD (R $ 480.00)? I understand that money changes over time, but the price around this game has changed in such a violent way that it prevents me from being able to enjoy new things in something that I really like, unfortunately. I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. Edited May 30, 2020 by Killer_Albino 1 2
VonMarts Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 compraste o BOMm em promoção na altura. (you buy BOM in promotion)
216th_Jordan Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Killer_Albino said: I am a big fan of flight simulation and game since +/- 3 years old (even though it was just watching my dad play and sometimes trying to get off the ground in "invencible" mode). My first games were Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Flight Simulator 98. In 2017 I bought IL2 BOS for R$ 79.99 (Brazilian real), that is 15 USD. After all, it was another R$ 3,000.00 with equipment at the time (a big investment). Today I look at the prices and come to the conclusion that, to buy the DLC (downloadable content in development) Battle of Normandy (which, at a discount, is costing USD 79.99) I would need to have R$ 480.00. The minimum wage in Brazil is around R$ 1,040.00, that is, almost half. I'm an intern, I earn monthly +/- R$ 600.00. How can I buy a product that, in a period of 3 years, has gone from 15 USD (R$ 79.99) to almost 80 USD (R $ 480.00)? I understand that money changes over time, but the price around this game has changed in such a violent way that it prevents me from being able to enjoy new things in something that I really like, unfortunately. I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. There are frequent sales (~ every 3 months) in which the price drops up to 66-75% for not super new titles (that are still updated though!). Also there are frequent give-aways from friendly community members in the forums - you could try your luck with these also. (for ex: ) Edited May 30, 2020 by 216th_Jordan 1 2
=FEW=Hauggy Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) You can always wait a year or so for the thing to be completely released it's a pre-order the goal is not to make it as affordable as possible but to support the team with the money it needs. No early access for you tho. But there's quite enought content and expantions to keep you busy in the meantime. Even if you bought it you wouldn't get anything because nothing has been released yet. You can always buy what is already released while on discount, recently there was a huge discount on Bodenplatte. And if you're too broke there's even some nice and generous folks who sometimes give away some planes or something on the forum. Edited May 30, 2020 by =FEW=Hauggy 1
BR_Calinho Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Cara, de vez em quando tem promoção na steam, comprar pela loja oficial é loucura com esse dolar alto + iof da transação. Compra caro que não presta atenção nas promoções da steam se quer comprar na steam fica de olho nessa pagina abaixo, chegou a custar 104 reais a um tempo atras https://steamdb.info/app/1198460/ e claro, não é culpa dos DEVs se você não tem grana né Edited May 30, 2020 by BR_Calinho
OrLoK Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 there are regular sales to watch out for, which can help those who find the full price too high for their wallets. i cant justify Normandy a full price at the moment. This isnt uncommon. However, ill pre order if my situation changes or wait for a sale. the devs dont deliberately try to punish certain countries and would love us all to be able to grab the game at a reasonable cost but some issues are out of their hands. as others have pointed out, there's loads of generous folk out there so dive into those "giveaway" threads! 1
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, OrLoK said: dive into those "giveaway" threads! 1 hour ago, Killer_Albino said: I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. I might be able to help you. If no one else can. Currency is in disfavor right now. I invested all my savings in a new corona stuck business. But there are light in the tunnel or wind turbines. The Germans have rented my company ( me) for their project up in a remote mountain. I can guarantee you will own BON before its final release. But not any time soon because our currency are low atm Edited May 30, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte 3 2 1
Bern_M Posted May 30, 2020 Author Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, BR_Calinho said: Cara, de vez em quando tem promoção na steam, comprar pela loja oficial é loucura com esse dolar alto + iof da transação. Compra caro que não presta atenção nas promoções da steam se quer comprar na steam fica de olho nessa pagina abaixo, chegou a custar 104 reais a um tempo atras https://steamdb.info/app/1198460/ e claro, não é culpa dos DEVs se você não tem grana né É o jeito, vou esperar quando lançarem aqui, dai depois na steam, e quando rolar uma promoção, daí vou comprar. Eu sei que não é culpa deles, nem minha na verdade (quem não gostaria de ganhar mais) haduaishashs, mas a verdade é que eles põem um preço caro demais. Bom, valew! Guys, thank you so much for all the answers and the tips, you guys are awesome! ? Indeed, the world is going through a difficult time, but it is nice to see that there are people who understand the difficulties of others and are available to support. Yes, unfortunately my country is not helping each other to overcome this, I imagine what they say "out there" about. We currently have approximately half the purchasing power we had at the beginning of the year, and Devs are certainly the last people to be blamed for this. Anyway, I will wait for the economic situation to stabilize, and then, when there is a promotion after Normandy comes, I will try to embark on the adventure together with you. See you in battle! stay safe! Bernardo Maffessoni Edited May 30, 2020 by Killer_Albino triyng to give another reply (apparently still requiring me to answer in the same answer) 1
AEthelraedUnraed Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Killer_Albino said: Yes, unfortunately my country is not helping each other to overcome this, I imagine what they say "out there" about. We currently have approximately half the purchasing power we had at the beginning of the year, and Devs are certainly the last people to be blamed for this. But also remember that you should also be one of the first countries back to normal. Once you approach the critical 60% infection rate, the virus will stop spreading and you can basically continue from where you left off. Whereas here in the Netherlands we are stuck with all kinds of economy-killing measures for the-Gods-may-know how long. All the while we're just as far from a vaccine as ever, if we're ever gonna find one at all (just take a look at the HIV virus - it's been around for some 40 years and there's still no vaccine). And all that for a virus that, according to the most complete statistics we've got, is only about twice as deadly as a severe flu (0.35% vs 0.2%, although admittedly much more people get corona because no-one has immunity yet). Sure, the short-term consequences are severe, but I honestly think your country is doing the right thing if you look at it from a long-term perspective. Anyway, enough politics - back to your original post. As others have said, wait a bit for BON. It's great if you can afford it and want to support the devs, but at the moment nothing's released yet so it's kinda useless. See if you can buy any of the other products (BOM, BOK, BOBP, FC, TC) during a sale; there's plenty of those if you're prepared to wait for a bit. A last piece of advice is to compare Steam and the official site; for me Steam was a bit cheaper, for my latest purchase at least. Not much, €1 or something (on a €15 or so sale), but still. Not sure why, perhaps different conversion rates between USD/RUB and EUR. I think there's also a fixed charge for PayPal, which adds to this difference. But for you this might be different so be sure to check both places! Add to the price difference the fact that the Dutch banking system is highly digitalised and hence a steam purchase is just a few clicks wheras PayPal takes significantly more trouble, and it explains why I only bought two pre-order items at the official site, while I own almost every IL2 product there is. Edited May 30, 2020 by AEthelraedUnraed 1 2
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: But also remember that you should also be one of the first countries back to normal. Once you approach the critical 60% infection rate, the virus will stop spreading and you can basically continue from where you left off. Whereas here in the Netherlands we are stuck with all kinds of economy-killing measures Not getting stuck in a derail. But the cost of mass immunity is simply too high. This is not a normal flu. Many get clogs in their blood vessels and other internal damages. We did clise down momentarily and are opening up as we speak. This is a decease you do not want. Brazil are in a devastating tragedy right now Edited May 30, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte 1 1
AEthelraedUnraed Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: Not getting stuck in a derail. But the cost of mass immunity is simply too high. This is not a normal flu. Many get clogs in their blood vessels and other internal damages. We did clise down momentarily and are opening up as we speak. This is a decease you do not want. Brazil are in a devastating tragedy Let's indeed take care not deviate from the original topic too far, but I *am* truly curious about what you would like to see as a solution instead of mass immunity. The virus will most definitely not die out by itself, and a vaccine, if any will be found at all, will very likely either have limited effects, have severe side-effects, be expensive or slow to produce, or a combination of some of these. Meanwhile, the broken economy and lockdown measures are decreasing the quality of life and are also killing people. Did you for instance know that, in the UK, an estimated 2000 cases of cancer remain undetected or untreated because it is harder to get an appointment with a medical professional? But yeah, this isn't the right place to discuss Corona so this'll be the last I say about it here. 1 2
ShamrockOneFive Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Killer_Albino said: I am a big fan of flight simulation and game since +/- 3 years old (even though it was just watching my dad play and sometimes trying to get off the ground in "invencible" mode). My first games were Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Flight Simulator 98. In 2017 I bought IL2 BOS for R$ 79.99 (Brazilian real), that is 15 USD. After all, it was another R$ 3,000.00 with equipment at the time (a big investment). Today I look at the prices and come to the conclusion that, to buy the DLC (downloadable content in development) Battle of Normandy (which, at a discount, is costing USD 79.99) I would need to have R$ 480.00. The minimum wage in Brazil is around R$ 1,040.00, that is, almost half. I'm an intern, I earn monthly +/- R$ 600.00. How can I buy a product that, in a period of 3 years, has gone from 15 USD (R$ 79.99) to almost 80 USD (R $ 480.00)? I understand that money changes over time, but the price around this game has changed in such a violent way that it prevents me from being able to enjoy new things in something that I really like, unfortunately. I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. Exchange rates can be difficult. The price has not gone from $15 USD to $80 USD. You likely bought something on sale for $15 USD. New titles always cost the most. 1 2
CanadaOne Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Killer_Albino said: I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. Hello, While I completely understand how tough the money situation can be, I'm not sure you can really call it DLC, in that every module is a self-enclosed game that requires no other to play. And every module is in effect equal to every other module. You get a map(s), planes, utilities (such as they are), and you benefit from updates. If you have BOS, you can still buy/use the collector planes and use the mods as well. Is your BOS on Steam? Edit: Hmmm, was just looking on Steam and you have to have BOS to play BoK, so it is DLC requiring a base game. Didn't know that. Also saw that BoK is $65Cdn on Steam and $110 here. All kinds of different prices. Edited May 30, 2020 by CanadaOne Life 1
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: Once you approach the critical 60% infection rate, No And I repeate none have even come close to 60% not even New York. Sweden got most death pr citizen with Stockholm as epi center. They just measured 7 % in that city alone. now with the horiffic death tally with less than 7% in New York and UK what do you think 60% will do? It is not the way to go. Young people with high exposure like health care workers Die also busdrivers all those. wash hands keep distance. This will rage until vaccine is developed. The virus has been among us longer and it's effectiveness in spread is less than estimated. It catch fewer and are more deadly than believed before Edited May 30, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte 2
IckyATLAS Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Killer_Albino said: I am a big fan of flight simulation and game since +/- 3 years old (even though it was just watching my dad play and sometimes trying to get off the ground in "invencible" mode). My first games were Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Flight Simulator 98. In 2017 I bought IL2 BOS for R$ 79.99 (Brazilian real), that is 15 USD. After all, it was another R$ 3,000.00 with equipment at the time (a big investment). Today I look at the prices and come to the conclusion that, to buy the DLC (downloadable content in development) Battle of Normandy (which, at a discount, is costing USD 79.99) I would need to have R$ 480.00. The minimum wage in Brazil is around R$ 1,040.00, that is, almost half. I'm an intern, I earn monthly +/- R$ 600.00. How can I buy a product that, in a period of 3 years, has gone from 15 USD (R$ 79.99) to almost 80 USD (R $ 480.00)? I understand that money changes over time, but the price around this game has changed in such a violent way that it prevents me from being able to enjoy new things in something that I really like, unfortunately. I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. I perfectly understand your money issue. Maybe if the development team was in Brazil and all the costs would be in Brazil the price of the game would be different. I am living in Switzerland, and I was wondering what is the minimum wage of an intern at our nearby hospital. I have never been in Brazil so I had no idea of the wages of there. After checking and converting the value in Brazilian Reals wow the difference is just huge. An intern will earn a minimum monthly wage of 31'758.- Real, or a yearly 381'101.- Real. We live on different planets ! ..... but we share the same passion ? It's your lucky day. I am sending you a small surprise Edited May 30, 2020 by IckyATLAS 5
[WFPK]Xerpun Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Killer_Albino said: I am a big fan of flight simulation and game since +/- 3 years old (even though it was just watching my dad play and sometimes trying to get off the ground in "invencible" mode). My first games were Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Flight Simulator 98. In 2017 I bought IL2 BOS for R$ 79.99 (Brazilian real), that is 15 USD. After all, it was another R$ 3,000.00 with equipment at the time (a big investment). Today I look at the prices and come to the conclusion that, to buy the DLC (downloadable content in development) Battle of Normandy (which, at a discount, is costing USD 79.99) I would need to have R$ 480.00. The minimum wage in Brazil is around R$ 1,040.00, that is, almost half. I'm an intern, I earn monthly +/- R$ 600.00. How can I buy a product that, in a period of 3 years, has gone from 15 USD (R$ 79.99) to almost 80 USD (R $ 480.00)? I understand that money changes over time, but the price around this game has changed in such a violent way that it prevents me from being able to enjoy new things in something that I really like, unfortunately. I leave here my feeling of sadness, and the impression that, as much as the game is fantastic (and it is the fruit of the hard work on the part of the DEVS), it is not fair to charge so much for a DLC. I'm afraid I won't be able to invest in that anymore. Oh yeah i completly understand you. Im living in Poland where minimum wage is ~$580 i earn a bit more then that but still spending almost 1/8th of my montly earning is too much. I would hope for more companies to do something simillar to steam where prices are in your currency and sometimes are lower because of that but well all we can do right now for IL-2 is to wait for a sale. Edited May 30, 2020 by Xerpun 1
Jaws2002 Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: This will rage until vaccine is developed. There are flu vaccines since for ever, did they ever eradicate the virus? NO. This one is just like a flu and mutates rapidly. A vaccine will target last year's strains of the virus. A pointless expensive and damaging affair, but hey, as long as the right people get to milk it......... Edited May 30, 2020 by Jaws2002 1 4
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said: There are flu vaccines since for ever, did they ever eradicate the virus? NO. This one is just like a flu and mutates rapidly. A vaccine will target last year's strains of the virus. A pointless expensive and damaging affair, but hey, as long as the right people get to milk it......... The one they work on now is not specific to one type corona. It is meant for the immune system to recognize the spikes on the surface of the ? that is not specific for covid 19 I am not a specialist. Nothing is clear. Sweden 37 113 sick 4 395 dead ca 10 mill. Citizens Denmark 11 362 sick 571dead ca 5,5 mill citizens Norway 8 435 sick 236 dead ca 5 mill citizens obtaining 61 % population immunity will effectively kill and destroy health care in any country. It will in the end cost more than any closedown it id impossible 1 1
Jaws2002 Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: The one they work on now is not specific to one type corona. It is meant for the immune system to recognize the spikes on the surface of the ? that is not specific for covid 19 I am not a specialist. Nothing is clear. Sweden 37 113 sick 4 395 dead ca 10 mill. Citizens Denmark 11 362 sick 571dead ca 5,5 mill citizens Norway 8 435 sick 236 dead ca 5 mill citizens obtaining 61 % population immunity will effectively kill and destroy health care in any country. It will in the end cost more than any closedown it id impossible Those numbers are inflated and contain all the usual flu and all the respiratory/pulmonary related deaths. 1
Bern_M Posted May 30, 2020 Author Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: But also remember that you should also be one of the first countries back to normal. Once you approach the critical 60% infection rate, the virus will stop spreading and you can basically continue from where you left off. Whereas here in the Netherlands we are stuck with all kinds of economy-killing measures for the-Gods-may-know how long. All the while we're just as far from a vaccine as ever, if we're ever gonna find one at all (just take a look at the HIV virus - it's been around for some 40 years and there's still no vaccine). And all that for a virus that, according to the most complete statistics we've got, is only about twice as deadly as a severe flu (0.35% vs 0.2%, although admittedly much more people get corona because no-one has immunity yet). Sure, the short-term consequences are severe, but I honestly think your country is doing the right thing if you look at it from a long-term perspective. Anyway, enough politics - back to your original post. As others have said, wait a bit for BON. It's great if you can afford it and want to support the devs, but at the moment nothing's released yet so it's kinda useless. See if you can buy any of the other products (BOM, BOK, BOBP, FC, TC) during a sale; there's plenty of those if you're prepared to wait for a bit. A last piece of advice is to compare Steam and the official site; for me Steam was a bit cheaper, for my latest purchase at least. Not much, €1 or something (on a €15 or so sale), but still. Not sure why, perhaps different conversion rates between USD/RUB and EUR. I think there's also a fixed charge for PayPal, which adds to this difference. But for you this might be different so be sure to check both places! Add to the price difference the fact that the Dutch banking system is highly digitalised and hence a steam purchase is just a few clicks wheras PayPal takes significantly more trouble, and it explains why I only bought two pre-order items at the official site, while I own almost every IL2 product there is. I don’t know what news came to you, but most likely, it’s not the same news I can see here… See: https://covid.saude.gov.br/ We are predicting about 10 years for the recovery of our economy. With each passing day, our president speaks more bullshit and greets more people without protection, ignoring the pandemic and the fact that more and more people are dying here. 4 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: Not getting stuck in a derail. But the cost of mass immunity is simply too high. This is not a normal flu. Many get clogs in their blood vessels and other internal damages. We did clise down momentarily and are opening up as we speak. This is a decease you do not want. Brazil are in a devastating tragedy right now Exactly
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said: Those numbers are inflated and contain all the usual flu and all the respiratory/pulmonary related deaths. No this is controlled corona cases. that is why I used scandinavian numbers. There is for sure more infected cases than these numbers but this is tested cases all of them. I do not give critique to anyone. There is no easy solution. We do not know what is best to do. Until we do avoid getting it Edited May 30, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte
Avimimus Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Jaws2002 said: Those numbers are inflated and contain all the usual flu and all the respiratory/pulmonary related deaths. Citation? I've seen that claim for the U.S. - but it was based on not understanding the actual classification codes used by coroners... it was misreading of a single table. A lot of people aren't that great at doing rigorous research... However, I think it is time to lock this thread...?
Lusekofte Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 But I stop now. I just interfered when it was simplified. I will gift BON to @Killer_Albino when currency is better latest before release next year if he has not got it from someone else. Take care 1 1
Bern_M Posted May 30, 2020 Author Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, CanadaOne said: Hello, While I completely understand how tough the money situation can be, I'm not sure you can really call it DLC, in that every module is a self-enclosed game that requires no other to play. And every module is in effect equal to every other module. You get a map(s), planes, utilities (such as they are), and you benefit from updates. If you have BOS, you can still buy/use the collector planes and use the mods as well. Is your BOS on Steam? Edit: Hmmm, was just looking on Steam and you have to have BOS to play BoK, so it is DLC requiring a base game. Didn't know that. Also saw that BoK is $65Cdn on Steam and $110 here. All kinds of different prices. When I bought the game, it was necessary to have Battle of Stalingrad in order to have other DLC's so I considered Battle of Normandy as DLC. Over time, I periodically bought the expansions and content available with the money "left over" from what I earn (usually around R$ 50.00). Through this site I bought two planes, and the scripted missions, which are the most similar to what I did at the time of Combat Flight Simulator 2. 3 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: No And I repeate none have even come close to 60% not even New York. Sweden got most death pr citizen with Stockholm as epi center. They just measured 7 % in that city alone. now with the horiffic death tally with less than 7% in New York and UK what do you think 60% will do? It is not the way to go. Young people with high exposure like health care workers Die also busdrivers all those. wash hands keep distance. This will rage until vaccine is developed. The virus has been among us longer and it's effectiveness in spread is less than estimated. It catch fewer and are more deadly than believed before Yesterday on the radio "Gaúcha" in Rio Grande do Sul (one of the radios in my state) there was news that a mother in her mid-forties, hypertensive, and her daughter, a 17-year-old girl with no health problems, contracted covid and were hospitalized. The mother recovered while her daughter had a more severe illness and died shortly afterwards. No one is free. This thing is different in each one. I fear that it is not possible to have a vaccine since it is so varied and changeable. 2 hours ago, IckyATLAS said: I perfectly understand your money issue. Maybe if the development team was in Brazil and all the costs would be in Brazil the price of the game would be different. I am living in Switzerland, and I was wondering what is the minimum wage of an intern at our nearby hospital. I have never been in Brazil so I had no idea of the wages of there. After checking and converting the value in Brazilian Reals wow the difference is just huge. An intern will earn a minimum monthly wage of 31'758.- Real, or a yearly 381'101.- Real. We live on different planets ! ..... but we share the same passion ? It's your lucky day. I am sending you a small surprise WHAT 31k?? man, dont know what to say, I'm speechless Guys, I think the coolest thing about this is that each of us is from different parts of the world, but we are all experiencing the same health situation, maybe in different proportions, maybe with different emotions or, unfortunately, sadness. But still, we managed to talk and express our opinions in a super cool and comprehensive way! To this day, this is the first community around a game that I see this in, and I would like to thank everyone. Thanks for the support and the discussion. And thanks to those who offered to help, you are very nice people. I intend to wait to buy things when there are discounts, I feel a little strange accepting donations, I don't know if it is fair. I hope that everything goes back to normal and that more people can continue to enjoy the things that bring them joy. At least in our skies there is no coronavirus uasihsauh Jokes aside, thank you all so much, thanks for the conversation, again. Edited May 30, 2020 by Killer_Albino I forgot to say the name of the radio, and that the girl's mother was hypertensive. I also changed the text, at the time I wrote I didn't know what to say. 1
Bern_M Posted May 30, 2020 Author Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said: Exchange rates can be difficult. The price has not gone from $15 USD to $80 USD. You likely bought something on sale for $15 USD. New titles always cost the most. You are right, going back in my purchase history I see that I really had a 50% discount and the full price would have been about R$ 300.00 (+/- USD 60.00) (I bought BoS and BoM as a package at that time) Edited May 30, 2020 by Killer_Albino "I bought BoS and BoM as a package at that time"
ShamrockOneFive Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jaws2002 said: This one is just like a flu and mutates rapidly. A vaccine will target last year's strains of the virus. A pointless expensive and damaging affair, but hey, as long as the right people get to milk it......... That's incorrect. The Coronavirus does not mutate at the same rate as influenza and is relatively stable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/relatively-stable-sars-cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319 https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/coronavirusmutations/ Though they are both RNA based viruses there are a lot of similarities that end there. Love to read if you've got sources that suggest otherwise. Also this is massively OT. Edited May 31, 2020 by ShamrockOneFive 1
Atomic_Spaniel Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Jaws2002 said: Those numbers are inflated and contain all the usual flu and all the respiratory/pulmonary related deaths. They may actually be underestimates. Not my field, but I am told that a good analysis is to look at the number of excess deaths over those that would have been expected to occur normally. There are plenty of summaries of this analysis out there. Here is a nice presentation - https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIufa2prTd6QIV1IXVCh24lwu2EAAYASAAEgI0iPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Edited May 31, 2020 by Atomic_Spaniel Shpelling 2
Avimimus Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I would never recommend relying on one scientist (even an epidemiologist), and especially one doctor (as they often don't have the scientific training). Actual science involves teams of people working together using multiple studies to reach conclusions... however, if one is interested in the science, this makes an extremely interesting read (and at least cites multiple studies): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kAHSEx9-eIyVIahczH8itHaUm9jI9WX7/view
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 22 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: I will gift BON to @Killer_Albino when currency is better latest before release next year if he has not got it from someone else. Take care Ma man!
Zeev Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 From all of civ/war/space simulators, in my opinion - IL2 Great Battles have the best prices per content and have a lot of sales. For instance, take the following example: X-Plane 11 had a 30% sale two years ago. DCS has mostly 30-50% off sales. Star Citizen has so much expensive ships. IL2 Great Battles had 75% off for almost every content for the past few months. 2
FeuerFliegen Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Unfortunately the Brazilian real has done very poorly in the last few years, especially the last year. I'm in the USA but my girlfriend is from Brazil, as well as her family, so I'm kept up to date with the currency values. She'd tell me about how several years ago that 1 USD = 1.8 BR; then for a while, like 1-3 years ago it was around 1 USD = 3.8 BR. I remember that just a month or two ago it was as bad as 1 USD = 7+ BR !! But I just now checked it and it's 1 USD = 5.117 BR, so at least it's much better than it was a month or two ago. Hopefully your currency will go back to where it once was several years ago and you will have more purchasing power. Only purchase during sales (they're very frequent), and hopefully the game will be feasible for you.
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