Kicking lead with rudder

[JG27*Kornezov]

This is a show case of some exotic techniques like kicking lead using the rudder. It is not very cinematic the idea was to make a show case with visible control surfaces action. No music this time, the youtube even more restricting policies pissed me off.

Using the rudder as lead can completely mess up even the most experienced pilot estimation of your trajectory, as you are expected to pull lead towards the lift vector instead you roll and slide aggressively in lead.
The beginning is a technique I learned from some top red aces, the idea is to make a low cross angle overshoot. In that way if you overshoot the energy difference is minimal and the low cross angle means you are right behind them. The modification for the 109 includes some snap roll turns as you can never get those roll rates by applying the ailerons only. It is risky, it is a gamble but this is one of the most aggressive techniques.
 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by JG27_Kornezov

[RedKestrel]

18 minutes ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

This is a show case of some exotic techniques like kicking lead using the rudder. It is not very cinematic the idea was to make a show case with visible control surfaces action. No music this time, the youtube even more restricting policies pissed me off.

Using the rudder as lead can completely mess up even the most experienced pilot estimation of your trajectory, as you are expected to pull lead towards the lift vector instead you roll and slide aggressively in lead.

 

That is some fancy shooting! I think the rudder is the most underappreciated of the control surfaces. 

I mostly use the rudder defensively. I find a strong rudder kick just before the enemy opens fire is often enough to throw off their aim in a high closure or deflection situation. Saved my virtual life more than once.

[JG27*Kornezov]

The use of rudder distinguishes the advanced virtual pilots from the good ones in terms of piloting possibilities. 

 

[busdriver]

26 minutes ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

Using the rudder as lead can completely mess up even the most experienced pilot estimation of your trajectory, as you are expected to pull lead towards the lift vector instead you roll and slide aggressively in lead.

 

Perhaps, I remain skeptical. It looked like you were simply in a rolling scissors and performed it much better than your adversaries. Your gunnery was pretty good (hits looked like they were around the tail rather than the engine or cockpit) and you took snap shots as the adversary flew across your nose. Had you taken more damage from #2 adversary's hits (and died) I suspect your message might be, "check six."

 

But as the saying goes..."a kill's a kill." Nicely done.

[JG27*Kornezov]

The geometry is indeed rolling scissors. Though there are so many variables in the scissors that for me that is an over-simplification. I just sowed how the rudder helps creating some angles and that is a very specific example. At any moment you can switch to different approach, like going purely vertical, there are many options.

This is Berloga, a place where you shoot and get shot down. This is a place where you hone your skills and train. 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by JG27_Kornezov

[busdriver]

2 hours ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

The geometry is indeed rolling scissors. Though there are so many variables in the scissors that for me that is an over-simplification.

 

LOL...as you wish. You're rolling and you're in a scissors. In the USAF we called that a rolling scissors. We were a simple bunch.

[RedKestrel]

2 hours ago, busdriver said:

 

Perhaps, I remain skeptical. It looked like you were simply in a rolling scissors and performed it much better than your adversaries. Your gunnery was pretty good (hits looked like they were around the tail rather than the engine or cockpit) and you took snap shots as the adversary flew across your nose. Had you taken more damage from #2 adversary's hits (and died) I suspect your message might be, "check six."

 

But as the saying goes..."a kill's a kill." Nicely done.

Get a load of this guy, thinks he knows how to fly a fighter plane! LOL. What are you, some kind of pilot??? why yes i am being facetious

But for real though whenever I get into a rolling scissors I get my ass handed to me, even with planes with a good roll rate. I'm certainly missing something either in use or in execution.

 

[busdriver]

25 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

But for real though whenever I get into a rolling scissors I get my ass handed to me, even with planes with a good roll rate. I'm certainly missing something either in use or in execution.

 

I feel ya brother. I get my ass handed to me ALL.THE.TIME. And my gunnery blows dead goats. At least I can claim with 110% confidence that ALL of my bombs hit the ground.

[ZachariasX]

4 hours ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

some exotic techniques like kicking lead using the rudder

The Plank turn.

[JG1_Barton]

Anyone who flies the 109 and doesn’t use the rudder during heavy maneuvering, either offensive or defensive, is leaving a lot on the table.  I like to use heavy rudder inputs with elevator at high speed to produce much higher roll rates.  Has saved my skin many times.  Especially against Spitfires in CLoD and 1946.  Also, a lot of people lose the scissors because they don’t know where to fly to defeat a scissors attempt when they are offensive or they don’t know how to properly initiate one.  

Edited May 13, 2020 by JG1_Barton

[ECV56_Necathor]

Nice scissors but the think that take my attention is that your 109 take damage but your plane can move like nothing happens, La5 take 1 HE on the elevators and can´t maneuver

[JG27*Kornezov]

13 hours ago, 666GIAP_Necathor said:

Nice scissors but the think that take my attention is that your 109 take damage but your plane can move like nothing happens, La5 take 1 HE on the elevators and can´t maneuver

From my squad  there is a guy that tells me that I am the only pilot he knows that enjoys a fight when he starts loosing plane parts and gets an aerobatic smoke from engine damage. They even proposed me to shoot at my tail  just after take off.