Battle of France

[Nic727]

Battle of France 1940

 

Map : Part of Northern France, Belgium and Netherland (Use the south part of Bodenplatte map)

 

Possible aircrafts

 

Luftwaffe :

• BF 109 E-1 and E-3
  
• BF 110 C
  
• He 111 (Unknown variant)
  
• Do 17 (Unknown variant)
  

 

Armée de l'air (France) :

• Curtiss Hawk 75A-1
  
• Dewoitine D.520
  
• Morane-Saulnier M.S.406
  
• Bloch MB.150
  
• Amiot 354
  
• Amiot 143
  
• DB-7 (A20 variant)
  
• Martin Maryland Model 167
  
• Bloch MB.131
  
• Bloch MB.162
  

 

R.A.F. :

• Hawker Hurricane MKI
  
• Vicker Wellington
  
• Handley Page Hampden/Hereford
  
• Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
  

[THERION]

21 minutes ago, Nic727 said:

Battle of France 1940

 

Map : Part of Northern France, Belgium and Netherland (Use the south part of Bodenplatte map)

 

Possible aircrafts

 

Luftwaffe :

• BF 109 E-1 and E-3
  
• BF 110 C
  
• He 111 (Unknown variant)
  
• Do 17 (Unknown variant)
  

 

Armée de l'air (France) :

• Curtiss Hawk 75A-1
  
• Dewoitine D.520
  
• Morane-Saulnier M.S.406
  
• Bloch MB.150
  
• Amiot 354
  
• Amiot 143
  
• DB-7 (A20 variant)
  
• Martin Maryland Model 167
  
• Bloch MB.131
  
• Bloch MB.162
  

 

R.A.F. :

• Hawker Hurricane MKI
  
• Vicker Wellington
  
• Handley Page Hampden/Hereford
  
• Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
  

 

Hi mate,

 

you got the wrong image for the Bloch MB 150  - you actually have another MS 406. You mean this one:

 

 Bloch MB 151

 

The MB 150 was the original design and as a prototype only produced once. The next series would have been the MB 151 and MB 152.

 

Cheerio

 

 

[Chief_Mouser]

You also need the Ju87B, Fairey Battle, Henschel Hs123, Henschel Hs126, Bristol Blenheim, and the Hampden and Hereford are entirely different aircraft. So many of the Armee de l'Air aircraft were chronically obsolete or present in such small numbers that it's hard to fill out a list with them.

 

A pack based on FoF to complement what we have already in BoX could be...

 

Luftwaffe

 

Bf109E-3

Ju 87B-2

Bf110C

Do17Z-2

???

 

Collector: Hs123

 

Allies

 

Curtiss H.75A

MS.406

Hurricane Mk.I

Fairey Battle

Bristol Blenheim IV

 

Collector: Dewoitine D.520

 

...but it's increasingly hard to find any Luftwaffe aircraft that isn't yet another variant of what we already have.

Cheers.

 

 

[Nic727]

Thank you for correcting me. ?

[Pikestance]

I was constructing the information to present this as a suggestion, but i think you did a far better job than i would have. 

[jeanba]

The MB162 was not operationnal.

The Amiot 354 and the MB131 had a very small use in the battle of France

You missed the Breguet 691/3 which had the missions as the Blenheims and Battles:

 

Indeed, when I play Bobp, I often overfly places where the Breguet attempted to stop the panzers such as St Trond ...

Edited May 7, 2020 by jeanba

[Chief_Mouser]

1 hour ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

I was constructing the information to present this as a suggestion, but i think you did a far better job than i would have. 

 

Thanks, but we all have our favourites and your ideas might be better than mine (or more realistic). I would like to see the Fall of France in BoX but I don't think we ever will. It treads too closely on CloD's toes and the planeset is unlikely to appeal to the pure dogfight guys amongst us. The OP included the Hampden; this is a plane that I would love to have but it's primary usage was at night and that whole nightbomber scenario is something that BoX isn't likely to do.

[jeanba]

1946 + latest BAT can simulate pretty well BoF and Fred's D520 is one of the nicest plane in terms of realisation I have seen

 

Of course, having BoF inside CloD would be more logical, and the D520 will be implemented in version 5.0 (in addition to the British and German and Italian planes)

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by jeanba

[Pikestance]

1 hour ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

Thanks, but we all have our favourites and your ideas might be better than mine (or more realistic). I would like to see the Fall of France in BoX but I don't think we ever will. It treads too closely on CloD's toes and the planeset is unlikely to appeal to the pure dogfight guys amongst us. The OP included the Hampden; this is a plane that I would love to have but it's primary usage was at night and that whole nightbomber scenario is something that BoX isn't likely to do.

 

I don't necessary share your pessimism for the creation of a BOF, but i must contraire (no pun intended) on dog fighters not liking the plane-set. 

The D520 must be on anyone's dog fighting list and the battle an earlier 109 E would be a treat for any enthusiast. 

 

I do suspect that team Fusion has first rights to early war stuff, so that would be the root of my pessimism. Personally, I would rather team Fusion be contracted out to work within the current IL2 game sets, but it isn't my intellectual rights, so that's that. 

 

Ps,.. your words are kind and appreciated. 

[Blackhawk_FR]

I upvote this one hundred of times.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Another good bomber for consideration is the LeO 451



Yes that's a rear 20mm cannon ?

[Chief_Mouser]

4 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Another good bomber for consideration is the LeO 451



Yes that's a rear 20mm cannon ?

 

'As only a handful of aircraft had been introduced into the French Air Force by the outbreak of the Second World War, the LeO 45 was too late to provide a substantial contribution during the Battle of France in the face of an invasion by Nazi Germany'  wikipedia. Shame, as it looks interesting.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

2 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

'As only a handful of aircraft had been introduced into the French Air Force by the outbreak of the Second World War, the LeO 45 was too late to provide a substantial contribution during the Battle of France in the face of an invasion by Nazi Germany'  wikipedia. Shame, as it looks interesting.

The same article says they made like 400 sorties, comparable to the Martin Maryland and other bombers it seems. imho thats good enough

[Chief_Mouser]

1 hour ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

The same article says they made like 400 sorties, comparable to the Martin Maryland and other bombers it seems. imho thats good enough

 

That's the big problem with the 5+1 module system for BoX; so many interesting planes get sidelined. ?

[Rei-sen]

11 hours ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

Personally, I would rather team Fusion be contracted out to work within the current IL2 game sets,

I hope Team Fusion will continue working on CloD and it'll get a lot of new scenarios, including Battle of France. 

[Enceladus828]

12 hours ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

Personally, I would rather team Fusion be contracted out to work within the current IL2 game sets

Saying that is pretty much like saying that Ugra Media should update Rise of Flight: Not going to happen. They have different game engines with many differences, and getting the team familiar with the game engine would take a considerable amount of time. It’s like erroneously saying that because one can fly a 6 seat twin engine airplane, then they can fly a Q400. 2 completely different planes.

 

Hope this helps anyone.

[Pikestance]

54 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Saying that is pretty much like saying that Ugra Media should update Rise of Flight: Not going to happen. They have different game engines with many differences, and getting the team familiar with the game engine would take a considerable amount of time. It’s like erroneously saying that because one can fly a 6 seat twin engine airplane, then they can fly a Q400. 2 completely different planes.

 

Hope this helps anyone.

 

Of course it is a different engine. It is not going to happen has more to do with protecting their current intellectual rights than any perceived learning curve. I also suspect that Team Fusion is part timers and any contractual work will a have to adhere to a time table.