Did you know that... (about Tempest)

[Blackhawk_FR]

Tempest has actually a huge hidden airbrake? 

(probably some other aircrafts also but to me it looks way more "powerful" on the Tempest). 

Very useful when the poor 109 try desperately to make you overshoot. 

 

A cookie for whoever will guess what is that airbrake. 

[AndyJWest]

A bootfull of rudder and enough aileron to keep you straight will usually do the trick - if it doesn't throw you into a spin.

[JimTM]

Flaps!

 

Koooo-keeeeyyyy!   

[Poochnboo]

Sliding open the canopy and sticking your hand out. 

[Sublime]

Lol obviously the honking radiator opening up

Edited May 6, 2020 by Sublime

[OrangeNoise]

Lowering the gear?

[blitze]

I was told opening the canopy and sneezing was the real way to Top Gun it. ?

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, JG300_Faucon said:

Tempest has actually a huge hidden airbrake? 

(probably some other aircrafts also but to me it looks way more "powerful" on the Tempest). 

Very useful when the poor 109 try desperately to make you overshoot. 

 

A cookie for whoever will guess what is that airbrake. 

Pull 12g, and its the wings! Wait, that's an air-break.
The inflated heads of the people who fly it exclusively?*

*this post paid for by P-47 gang

10 minutes ago, blitze said:

I was told opening the canopy and sneezing was the real way to Top Gun it. ?

Only if you do it inverted

[40plus]

I've always found hitting a tree to be an effective method to force an overshoot . . . . not specific to the Tempest though.

[Vortice]

Those poor, poor 109s. Oh, the humanity!

[Stoopy]

I'm gonna go with the water radiator flap... it's pretty big and could conceivably offer a fair amount of drag when opened at speed,  and to JG300_Facoun's point looks more "powerful", at least as far as the visual features of the aircraft go.  When fully deployed ... err, opened... It also looks very similar to some air brakes on early jets etc. with the exception it's very far forward on the airframe.  

[Blackhawk_FR]

If your RPM are set to 3700 and you reduce to idle, the CSU will reduce the pitch as much as it can to keep 3700rpm. With such a large 4 blades propeller rotating at 3700rpm with minimum pitch, it's like having an airbrake. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by JG300_Faucon

[Diggun]

6 hours ago, JG300_Faucon said:

your RPM are set to 3700 and you reduce to idle, the CSU will reduce the pitch as much as it can to keep 3700rpm. With such a large 4 blades propeller rotating at 3700rpm with minimum pitch, it's like having an airbrake. 

That is a Top Tip! My flabber is ghasted. 

[Blackhawk_FR]

It's a clear advantage as german fighters hasn't the CSU. When you pull idle throttle, the plane reduce also the RPMs, by increasing the pitch, inducing less drag.  

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, JG300_Faucon said:

If your RPM are set to 3700 and you reduce to idle, the CSU will reduce the pitch as much as it can to keep 3700rpm. With such a large 4 blades propeller rotating at 3700rpm with minimum pitch, it's like having an airbrake. 

I found this to be the truth in P 38 too, I read on specifics that this would happened and really only used it when decending to landing

[Art-J]

That's how every constant speed prop with RPM lever works, however, so it's not Tempest-specific (unless in Tempest the effect is more noticeable than in other planes).

[Blackhawk_FR]

I tried with a mate the decceleration rate Tempest vs P51. Tempest has a better decceleration than P51. 

So yes of course it's "how every constant speed prop" work. But it's more noticeable with the Tempest. 

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, Diggun said:

That is a Top Tip! My flabber is ghasted. 

Please!?!? This is supposed to be a family friendly forum.?

Edited May 7, 2020 by Rjel

[Stoopy]

Man., I was sooo ready for that cookie, too.... 

 

[Talisman]

8 hours ago, JG300_Faucon said:

If your RPM are set to 3700 and you reduce to idle, the CSU will reduce the pitch as much as it can to keep 3700rpm. With such a large 4 blades propeller rotating at 3700rpm with minimum pitch, it's like having an airbrake. 

 

Be careful not to put power on again too quickly, or the engine will pack up.  At least that is my experience.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[BlitzPig_EL]

36 minutes ago, JG300_Faucon said:

I tried with a mate the decceleration rate Tempest vs P51. Tempest has a better decceleration than P51. 

So yes of course it's "how every constant speed prop" work. But it's more noticeable with the Tempest. 

 

I'm pretty sure that no matter the settings, or even with the engines off and props set to give the least drag, the P51 will always hold it's speed longer than the Tempest. Or even if they both are set up as draggy as possible.  The Mustang is a very slippery airframe.

[JimTM]

Aside from the prop trick, I tried throwing full flaps out in a power dive. They did not break but they did brake quite well. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

1 hour ago, JimTM said:

Aside from the prop trick, I tried throwing full flaps out in a power dive. They did not break but they did brake quite well. 

They didn't lock down though? I have deployed flaps well above the recommened speed in both P-38's and P-47's and they set fine without breaking. (Braking yes, breaking no) They, however, will not retract and stow when attempting to recover.

[JimTM]

22 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

They didn't lock down though? I have deployed flaps well above the recommened speed in both P-38's and P-47's and they set fine without breaking. (Braking yes, breaking no) They, however, will not retract and stow when attempting to recover.

 

I assume you are referring to the Tempest, right? During my full-power dive, the flaps remained deployed, slowing the plane quite a bit. I was able to retract the flaps upon recovery.

 

UPDATE: I did a further test in a dive above 400 mph and the flap rod jammed. So I guess you can deploy them at some slower speed (> 300 mph) to get the braking effect without jamming.

Edited May 7, 2020 by JimTM

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

That is what I meant. In the P-47 and -38 I can deploy them well above recommended speeds but then they won't stow afterwards and I have to RTB.

[JimTM]

3 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

That is what I meant. In the P-47 and -38 I can deploy them well above recommended speeds but then they won't stow afterwards and I have to RTB.

 

See my update above. I tried a higher dive speed and that jammed the flaps.

[INVADER_WARHAWK]

A bit unrelated , but how do you shut this damn radiator on the tempest ? 

 

[JG27*Kornezov]

The 109 can just throw the gear

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

6 minutes ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

The 109 can just throw the gear

 

OOh, never tried that one! It's really hard to slip the 109 to shed enough speed and force the overshoot. I can turn the 190 into a brick with cross controls but the -51 and 109 are very slippery in the air.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Gamerz gonna game.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

OOh, never tried that one! It's really hard to slip the 109 to shed enough speed and force the overshoot. I can turn the 190 into a brick with cross controls but the -51 and 109 are very slippery in the air.

Some guy tried that on Berloga on me! I thought he had accidentally pressed the gear button and felt a little bad when I ventilated him. But kills are few and far between for me so I take what I can get.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I was mostly kidding. I'm a dedicated BNZ'r by trade and try to not get into the close knife fights if I can avoid them.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, INVADER_WARHAWK said:

A bit unrelated , but how do you shut this damn radiator on the tempest ?

 

It's the same key commands used to open and close the radiators on the Bf 110 and Spitfire V.

[ZachariasX]

It‘s just a shame that automatic engine management mostly keeps that rad open, even if you (try to) go fast. It is really bad on the DED icons on server.

[cardboard_killer]

24 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

It‘s just a shame that automatic engine management mostly keeps that rad open, even if you (try to) go fast. It is really bad on the DED icons on server.

 

Automatic engine management is missing half the fun of flying the airplane.

[ZachariasX]

4 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

Automatic engine management is missing half the fun of flying the airplane.

Minumum, yes. But it makes the game more accessible for people with less imagination about flying actual aircraft. But in this case, the automatism doesn‘t adhere to rules on how to operate the radiator, but just acts upon temerature.

 

I like the server as it is the only populated fast food server other than Berloga. And it has all the aircraft.

[SARFlytitus]

A salvo of 3 seconds. The recoil of those four Hispano cannons make wonders !!!  ?