AI aircraft gunner now IDing hidden ground targets (?)

[69th_chuter]

Finnish server.  I was in a PIII reasonably well hidden from aircraft by leafless trees on a winter map.  An IL2 was flying around looking for me without success until after about four passes his (I assume AI) gunner started shooting at me and then my end was inevitable.  I assume it was AI because the gunfire never landed more than 10m from me even after the aircraft initiated the turn around.

 

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The whole AI thing throws the entire ground based game into question.

[stupor-mundi]

Gawd. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'll be looking out for this new 'feature'.

The problems introduced by these new features, and the existing problems due to old issues like the invisible trees, AI shooting through vegetation, a long list...

... make me wonder:

do the devs actually spend any time playing this on multiplayer, on any reasonably competitive level?

While TC is progressing on predictable features such as new, nicely modeled vehicles, the decisionmaking I think shows a total disregard for the topics which people who actually play this sim online, care about. And the disappointing development of online player numbers is an outcome of that.

[JG27_Steini]

3 hours ago, stupor-mundi said:

Gawd. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'll be looking out for this new 'feature'.

The problems introduced by these new features, and the existing problems due to old issues like the invisible trees, AI shooting through vegetation, a long list...

... make me wonder:

do the devs actually spend any time playing this on multiplayer, on any reasonably competitive level?

While TC is progressing on predictable features such as new, nicely modeled vehicles, the decisionmaking I think shows a total disregard for the topics which people who actually play this sim online, care about. And the disappointing development of online player numbers is an outcome of that.

 

Compared to the origin BoS 7 years ago, there also were many bad descions. It took several years to solve some of them. Normaly i am an optimistic person, but in case of TC and the estimated release i think many problem will stay unsolved. With a good mission designer we might get some interesting mission (no campaign) but multiplayer will never be as good as it sounds 3 years ago. The early alpha version of TC has not developed much in the last 2 years. It disappoints me as much as i was dissapointed with BoS. Only 5 years laster BoK solved most problems and i am sure we wont see any TC 2. I dont wanna see the next grafic update or the next generation damage model or 4k new skins when the AI still has many of its old 2013 problems and it does not care.

Edited May 3, 2020 by JG27_Steini

[inexus]

I don't get why there is pure silence from Jason and the rest on the topic of AI seeing through vegetation.

 

If they could simply state publicly that they are aware of the issue and have chosen to ignore it or will address it is a good start. But ignoring people who have tried for months to raise awareness of the issue in the forums shows a disregard for people who support them and have often spent years and years on buying modules and promoting the game everywhere. 

 

The AI behavior is a core gameplay issue and it is a big flaw in especially TC that rely on vegetation to obscure enemy positions. SP gaming is out of the window unless designers carefully craft missions such as to rely on hills, etc. to avoid the issue. 

[Yogiflight]

21 hours ago, inexus said:

I don't get why there is pure silence from Jason and the rest on the topic of AI seeing through vegetation.

Easy answer. If you want to know how long the priority's list for GB is, just look at which position you find TC.

[JG1_Wittmann]

I was  on the Finnish Virtual server  in a PZIV ,    I wasn't near any ground tgts  that I could see,   at least not in MG range.   I had moved away  from the spawn as the allies  were camping tank spawn/tgt .    I am open commander,   see  an AC off to my  3  .   Jabo,   P47  maybe ?    I am trying to stay in/near trees,   I do not think that he can see me, I'm still moving.........

 

All of a sudden  my  dumb a$$   bow gunner opens fire on him  and that is all   she wrote, he saw the tracers.  He turned,  positively  spotted me then made a couple of bomb  runs.   

We have got to have a way to turn that BS off.     In addition to this problem,  I saw something I never have before.   I was in commander, opened,  moving along road.  Alternating between positions.    I'm in commander looking around,    game moves me to driver,  Comm hatch is still open.   Only position I can switch to is driver,  and bow gunner.   Since this game unrealistically does not allow you to drive unbuttoned w/ driver, only outside view I have is gunner.    After awhile,   minutes,  it allows me to go to gunner, then finally commander again.   This happens again   a short time later,  only this time  I have no position I can go to except driver.  5 minutes or so,  available again.   In that driver only mode    I missed a turn I needed,  when I realized it,  slowed down some  went to turn right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Yup,  you can guess I'm sure !  The   So Called " Physics Model "  kicked in, and my  45 ton tank flipped over onto its roof  when I was going about 35K,  just over 20mph .  What universe  do these physics exist ?   I think  the game treats everything as too light maybe   not sure.

[RIVALDO]

Cmon guys!You really didnt know about this thing?!Nothing new here.You just have to command your rear gunner to attack ground targets and fly low enough for him to spot.Same as attack the enemies from close,medium or far range.This option has been available for a long time.

Edited May 5, 2020 by RIVALDO