Neutral colour skins?

[jollyjack]

At times i hate it flying the Nazi Luftwaffe, my problem due my family's WW2 time experiences. This although they are nice planes worth the Il2 gaming fun.

For game-playing sake i gave this F4 neutral insignia. Alas it's a bit of work, and using a 2k template, and i just found out there's a 4k available.

 

The blue stars take off to fight the red stars here. It's too much work to change all planes for now, but who wants to join me in designing the Blue Star Airforce?:

 

 

PS for a change to the vehicles and trains it would be nice if you can edit them too ...

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by jollyjack

[Trooper117]

Don't fly Luftwaffe planes if you hate what they stand for... if it bothers you that much I'd have thought you would relish the chance of shooting the bloody things down.

[jollyjack]

43 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Don't fly Luftwaffe planes if you hate what they stand for... if it bothers you that much I'd have thought you would relish the chance of shooting the bloody things down.

 

Been doing that all the time LoL.

[ICDP]

I have also had family who suffered during WWII at the hands of the Nazis.  But when I see an Fw190 or a Panther tank, I see a piece of machinery and can appreciate it from a purely rational and objective standpoint, even if it has a swastika painted on it.  Because I can easily detach flying a LW plane in a sim from the ideology that used them to wage war for real.  Believing that flying a plane with LW markings in a sim disrespects the suffering caused by the Nazi regime like saying driving a BMW does the same.

 

If sticking neutral markings on a 109 makes it OK to fly one, then you can already appreciate it was just a machine.  Now apply the same logic and remind yourself it's just a sim.

[jollyjack]

On 4/26/2020 at 7:55 PM, ICDP said:

I have also had family who suffered during WWII at the hands of the Nazis.  But when I see an Fw190 or a Panther tank, I see a piece of machinery and can appreciate it from a purely rational and objective standpoint, even if it has a swastika painted on it.  Because I can easily detach flying a LW plane in a sim from the ideology that used them to wage war for real.  Believing that flying a plane with LW markings in a sim disrespects the suffering caused by the Nazi regime like saying driving a BMW does the same.

 

If sticking neutral markings on a 109 makes it OK to fly one, then you can already appreciate it was just a machine.  Now apply the same logic and remind yourself it's just a sim.

 

Just shot down a Swastika-ed one with a bluestar Bf109 ...

[Tom_Weiss]

a few here:

 

https://www.lockonfiles.com/files/category/727-bf109-skins/

https://www.lockonfiles.com/files/category/730-fw190-skins/

https://www.lockonfiles.com/files/category/751-me-262a-skins/

[Pict]

On 4/26/2020 at 3:55 PM, jollyjack said:

The blue stars take off to fight the red stars here. It's too much work to change all planes for now, but who wants to join me in designing the Blue Star Airforce?

 

I think that's a fun idea and why not, it's up to you.

 

My questions are more about your choice of roundel and lack of change to the camo than why you want to do it. So, why the blue star and why in particular keep the RLM camo complete with yellow Barbarossa invasion markings?, as they are as Nazi Luftwaffe as any of the other markings I would suggest ( and possibly just me)  

 

It could be an idea to come up with your own colours & camo patterns to go with your blue stars? It could be a fun exercise to start with a blank canvas.

 

It made me think about the Swiss air-force who were neutral and flew the 109 and even flew combat missions against the Luftwaffe when they entered Swiss airspace, downing 6 He-111's for the loss of 1 109E-3 during the Battle of France in 1940.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_operational_history#Combat_service_with_Switzerland

 

Interesting little read here about how they acquired more 109's in exchange for a secret 110 night-fighter that force landed at a Swiss airbase..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Swiss_Air_Force#Night_fighter_incident

[Pict]

Since I posted above your funny idea has been in my head a bit. I was thinking about what I said regarding roundels & camo and about your blue star. I don't see the star as being exceptionally neutral since the USA & the USSR both used them, with your star almost being a mix of both. And then I realized that I was offering nothing as an option.

 

This led to a line of thought that turned up an odd, but semi-original thought. When thinking about neutral, I came up with the image in my head of the H shift pattern of a manual car gear lever. This in turn was easy to convert into a roundel, with the central bar being a standout colour to represent neutral  

 

So I messed around with Photoshop a little bit, bashed out a new roundel with random colours that contrasted well just for testing, then reconfigured a 109G-2 with them and a rapid camo change using an INJAAF colour palette, just because they're easy on the eye and not so local. 

 

Here's what turned out...

 

 

 

This was just me fooling around and I'm not suggesting you take any of it onboard, I just wanted to share what reading your post had triggered

 

Needless to say if your interested you can have a copy of the roundel .psd, colours are easy to change.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Pict

[Jaws2002]

You could always fly German planes with historical Romanian markings. There are quite a few of them and Romania didn't join the Axis for the love of fascism, but because USSR occupied a big chunk of the country in summer of 1940. 

The same thing happened to Finland and other Eastern European countries.

 

But overal, I'm with ICDP on this one. It's a plane, in a game. 

 And all big powers share part of the blame for that massive tragedy that  WW2 was.

Edited May 31, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Lusekofte]

On 4/26/2020 at 3:55 PM, jollyjack said:

At times i hate it flying the Nazi Luftwaffe, my problem due my family's WW2 time experiences. This although they are nice planes worth the Il2 gaming fun.

I know what you going through 

I have a issue about reenact a german pilot in any sim because of tragic ideology they fought for. I pass this by setting myself outside history and place myself into the pilots perspective. Witch basically was “dont mess this up, god , do not make me let down my buddies”

[Trooper117]

I don't even think about the ideology... I'm just playing a bloody game.

And yes, my family members fought against the Germans during WWII, but that fact doesn't even come into the 'real world' in which I live.

Honestly, get a grip people...

[THERION]

On 4/26/2020 at 7:55 PM, ICDP said:

But when I see an Fw190 or a Panther tank, I see a piece of machinery and can appreciate it from a purely rational and objective standpoint, even if it has a swastika painted on it.

 

I share the same point of view on this and even as a plastic modeler I do use swastikas where historically correct. But I'd never use this symbol in any other way.

 

13 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I don't even think about the ideology... I'm just playing a bloody game.

 

Correct.

 

The thing with all those symbols / badges of the 3rd Reich is, as long as they are used to depict historical vehicles / planes in games or on plastic model, I have absolutely

no problem with it. But to wear them on clothes or even as tattoos is really questionable.

 

I also don't like the avatars of some people here, using photoshoped original portrait with their portrait picture or having ridiculous Nazi touch names. Not very smart and
creative, if you ask me. I know, it's a game and we're in some kind of game arena or virtual history area, call it what you want - still strange fellows here.

[DN308]

If we go that way, we shouldn’t play these historical games. So simple.

Swastikas, red stars, planes belonging to the bomber command, etc. are all symbols of ideologies or actions made by someone or another. 

So if you have a problem with that, stay away from combat simulation and stick with civilian planes. So simple again.

Had my family concerned by:

- 3 times destroyed house in 1940, 1942 and 1944. First time by Germans, second by 8th USAAF, third by UK troops ;

- 2 peoples in stalag ;

- 1 in concentration’s camp ;

- 1 shot by US soldier ;

- 1 in a POW camp in Poland, « liberated » by Soviet troops and sent to gulag in Siberia ;

- 1 fought from late 1944 to 1945 in France, Black Forest against waffen SS and up to the Eagle’s nest in Austria.

 

So, I would have many purposes for refuse any symbol, no? 

Well, history is history. I love that period anyway. And whatever the symbol I want to fly the History, not make politics