FC Vol.2 baptism pool

[J2_Bidu]

Just what the title says.

 

I'm in for "Fokker Scourge". Just my way of sending some love to the old birds.

 

[BMA_Hellbender]

Flying Circus Volume 2: Electric Boogaloo

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I'm still in for Flying Circus vol.2: The Hundred Days

[US103_Baer]

I can see it now

"Break!! BREAK!! An invisible BE2c just appeared on your 6"

 

 

[Dutch2]

I do hope 1C will first focus on porting all the RoF planes into FC series, including both Sikorsky planes and not trying to spent lots of labor and budget on new WW1 planes. 

 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

I'd really like to see the big bombers come in but would also be happy if the FE2b is in the mix too, The 20's flew that bird a lot and was a good match for the Fokker E. 

[ST_Catchov]

Flying Circus Volume 2: How the Se5a stopped bleeding and learnt how to retain energy.

[No.23_Triggers]

I'm guessing the 1917 stuff would probably show up first (if it ever does). Working backwards from 1918, and all that...

Alb. D.III, N.17, Pup, Tripehound, etc. 

 

I do miss the good old DeHav, absolute cow that it was...

Edited April 25, 2020 by US93_Larner

[Zooropa_Fly]

2 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

I'm guessing the 1917 stuff would probably show up first (if it ever does). Working backwards from 1918, and all that...

Alb. D.III, N.17, Pup, Tripehound, etc. 

 

I do miss the good old DeHav, absolute cow that it was...

 

Add the 2 heavies, RE8, DFW, and 2 more fighters to that and we're done !

 

I'd rather have the Roland to the DFW, but I think it's a bit early and more people would probably want the DFW.

And I must insist one of the other 2 fighters is the DXII.

 

S!

[ST_ami7b5]

Dream on...

[BMA_Hellbender]

4 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

I'm guessing the 1917 stuff would probably show up first (if it ever does).

 

[J2_Bidu]

4 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

I'm guessing the 1917 stuff would probably show up first (if it ever does). Working backwards from 1918, and all that...

Alb. D.III, N.17, Pup, Tripehound, etc. 

 

I do miss the good old DeHav, absolute cow that it was...

 

So you're more inclined to "Flying Circus Vol. 2: Bloody April" ?

[76SQN-FatherTed]

I'm going with "Vol 2".   I think they'll go with the big bombers and later-war scouts.  Not necessarily what I'd like to see, but more marketable

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

38 minutes ago, =CfC=FatherTed said:

I'm going with "Vol 2".   I think they'll go with the big bombers and later-war scouts.  Not necessarily what I'd like to see, but more marketable

 

That's what I was figuring, with The Hundred Days.

[HagarTheHorrible]

The problem with volume two being late war is that there aren’t any new scouts to offer the Allies.  The “volume”  would be unbalanced.  Sold individually, by aircraft, it might work, but not as a separate volume.  If they ever get around to doing a volume 2, I expect it will be 1917 era. “Bloody Fools”. I think would make an adequate title.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

5 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

The problem with volume two being late war is that there aren’t any new scouts to offer the Allies.  

 

Yes there are.

[No.23_Triggers]

If they added to current late-war line up the only 1918 scout really missing for Entente would be the N28. The only other plane you could really add would be the SPAD VII 180hp. Germans would assumedly get the Pfalz D.XII (Hopefully a corrected one with the D.IIIaü and a better dive ability, not the 'fictional D.XII F' we had in RoF) and the Fok. D.VIII (E.V).

At least, if you're going on ex-RoF planes. 

Outside of the RoF set there are planes you could add for both sides - but they would be largely obscure, as the Camel, S.E. and SPAD were essentially the backbone of the Entente air services at that time, and the D.VII was the same for the Centrals. The snipe seems like the most obvious choice for the Ententes, but for the Centrals it's a little trickier. The two choices I see are the Fokker D.VI and the Siemens-Shuckert D.IV, but both were built in very small numbers. S.S. D.IV would be the more likely of the two. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by US93_Larner

[Zooropa_Fly]

If... we get Pup, Tripe, and N17 for Entente, the other 3 would need to be German !

DXII, DVIII, and Alby DIII for example.

 

The Germans need something fast, and Entente a couple more turners.

And bring on the Snipe and S.S. as collector planes ?

 

S!

 

p.s. A diving DXII, now that would be something..

[No.23_Triggers]

I still think the focus needs to be on new engine variants (although I get that it most likely never will be)...As it stands there's a power vacuum between Alb, D.VII, Pfalz and 200hp SPAD (D.IIIaü would more closely match the two), and I think the HS8Bd (220hp rated, 235hp performance) engine for the XIII would be a far better match for the D.VII F, which is miles better than all planes as it stands. An earlier Hisso engine for the S.E.5a would also make the Alb DVa / S.E. an interesting match-up for earlier war stuff. 

 

It would be great for the Server operators - if the new engines were different planes (Like D.VII / D.VII F, F2B F.II / F2B F.III) then map makers could simply disincline certain planes from certain maps to get different scenarios for earlier and later points of the war. If they were modifications, the map makers could just disable the mod. 

Unfortunately FC isn't the main focus of 1CGS, but I really think if they took the time to add variants of engines it would cancel out A LOT of the current Plane-Set problems 

Edited April 26, 2020 by US93_Larner

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

My bet is on FC vol. 2 "Fantasyland"

[JG1_Butzzell]

FC Vol 2 :  The Battle of Verdun

 

100 X 100 km  map centered 5 km east of Verdun so Metz is included. Include airfield at St Mihiel

 

DH2

N-11

N-17  

Tripe

Pup

SPAD 7 early

SPAD 7 late

RE8

 

Fok E3

Halb D2

Alb D2 Early

Alb D2 Late

Alb D3

DFW CV

 

[J2_Trupobaw]

That's Battle of Arras planeset...

I think Flying Circus 2:The Bloody April is a no-brainer. 

[1PL-Lucas-1Esk]

Bloody April 1917

 

- DH 2

- N.17 (Brit)

- Pup

- Tripe

- R.E.8
 

- Halberstadt D.II

- Albatros D.II late

- Albatros D.III

- DFW C.V

 

Collector:

- FE2b?

- DH4?

 

Verdun/St.Mihiel (mixed stuff)

 

- N.11

- N.17

- N.28

- SPAD 7 150 and 180

- Breguet 14

 

- E.III

- Albatros D.II early

- Pfalz D.XII

- Fokker D.VIII

- Roland C.I

 

Collector:

- HP

- Gotha

Edited April 26, 2020 by 1PL-Lucas-1Esk

[No.23_Gaylion]

FC2 should be two-seater heavy. 

 

DH4

GOTHA

HP

ROLAND

DFW

STRUTTER

RE8

AEG

[Knarley-Bob]

FC-2.... "Is it fixed yet?"       ?

[J2_Bidu]

46 minutes ago, 1PL-Lucas-1Esk said:

[...]

Verdun/St.Mihiel (mixed stuff)

 

- N.11

- N.17

- N.28

- SPAD 7 150 and 180

- Breguet 14

 

- E.III

- Albatros D.II early

- Pfalz D.XII

- Fokker D.VIII

- Roland C.I

 

Collector:

- HP

- Gotha

 

Oh, I had always imagined the D.VIII as a perfect Collector's plane. And maybe the Hanriot for the allies, realistically. Ideally, probably the Snipe.

[76SQN-FatherTed]

1 hour ago, US213_Talbot said:

FC2 should be two-seater heavy. 

 

DH4

GOTHA

HP

ROLAND

DFW

STRUTTER

RE8

AEG

I think you're right - I  think it's got to offer something substantially different from Vol 1.

 

Or the old classic:

 

FC Vol2: The One with the Zeppelins

Edited April 26, 2020 by =CfC=FatherTed

[Avimimus]

On 4/25/2020 at 2:12 AM, Dutch2 said:

I do hope 1C will first focus on porting all the RoF planes into FC series, including both Sikorsky planes and not trying to spent lots of labor and budget on new WW1 planes. 

 

Well... one new plane per release might make sense to tempt people who already have RoF...

[Feathered_IV]

 

11 hours ago, US213_Talbot said:

FC2 should be two-seater heavy. 

 

DH4

GOTHA

HP

ROLAND

DFW

STRUTTER

RE8

AEG

Just 2-seaters and a Career mode would work for me.  I wouldn’t quibble in the slightest if there wasn’t a new map.  

[Flashy]

10 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Well... one new plane per release might make sense to tempt people who already have RoF...

This ^

 

There needs to be something new to convince the RoF playerbase to move over to FC. Selling a bunch of remastered planes that already exist in RoF for $70-$80 is always going to be a hard sell, especially when RoF content is so much cheaper and the product as a whole is more complete (Career, Artillery spotting, reconnaissance missions, etc). If you're a VR user then its a different story, but for regular players its tough to justify spending that money on stuff you basically already have. For Vol 2 I would like to see earlier planes/bloody april planeset including:

 

-D.H.2 (with revised FM - the current D.H.2 is completely useless, even against the Fokker E.III, let alone the Alb DII)

-B.E.2 (this was the mainstay of the RFC and RAF for most of the war. I know its probably not very interesting to fly, but its too important to ignore...even AI only would be a start)

-N11

-N17

-Alb DII

-Early C-series German 2 seater (Alb CII, Rumpler, LVG, Aviatik, DFW etc)

-Fok EIII

-Pup

-Tripe

-Maybe a Caudron so the French get an early 2-seater as well?

 

There are more, but that should be enough for now. Basically we need new planes that fill the gaps in the RoF planeset and help convince existing players to buy into FC.

 

[US103_Baer]

We ran a small RoF revisit 2 weeks back. Some of the RoF stalwarts who haven't bought into FC yet said primary reason was lack of bombers and 2-seaters.

For some people, those missions are what they love doing, i believe BoX has seen the same thing.

So for that reason, and the fact that the very core of WW1 air operations was Army support, i'd like to see FC2 multi-seater heavy too.

[C6_lefuneste]

Ideally, they should release something coherency : mainstream planes for a time period and new map, ideally linked to big event occuring during  this time period.

The planeset should give 2 seaters in dame number than fighters, and also french planes.

New ground unit and mission type should be great also.

AI improvement could be provide, it's really too easy to fight AI.

And finally carrier mode.

Edited April 27, 2020 by c6_lefuneste

[liaxelotliaxelot]

already before talking about volume2
would be nice to complete and finish volume 1 !!
first a carrier or campaign mod!
and above all, in the sky of France in 1917 and 18,
there were many other planes than SPAD XIII on the french side!

where are the nieuport, morane, breguet, caudron and other voisin
out of respect for history, it would be fair to rectify these lack of french material

NO ?

Edited April 27, 2020 by liaxelotliaxelot

[CB77Don246]

6 hours ago, c6_lefuneste said:

Ideally, they should release something coherency : mainstream planes for a time period and new map, ideally linked to big event occuring during  this time period.

The planeset should give 2 seaters in dame number than fighters, and also french planes.

New ground unit and mission type should be great also.

AI improvement could be provide, it's really too easy to fight AI.

And finally carrier mode.

+ 1

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

Base package of the "classic" mid-war single-seaters with one two-seater per side. Collector aircraft with a couple more 2-seaters; another scout per side; and a heavy bomber per side. Thinking 1917 time period, Jan 1917 to Jan 1918.

 

Base Package:

-Sopwith Pup

-Nieuport 17 (Vickers and Lewis variants)

-Spad VII (150 and 180 hp variants)

-R.E.8

-Alb D.II (early variant and late variants);

-Alb. D.III;

-Halb D.II

-Roland C.II

 

Collector:

-FE2b

-Sopwith 1-1/2 strutter

-Sopwith Triplane

-Handley-Page

-Albatross 2-seater

-LVG 2-seater

-Fokker D.III (oddball Fokker biplane - something a little different)

-Gotha

 

 

[No.23_Triggers]

Yeah! Fok. D.III is a cool choice, I'd like to see that plane in-game.  Also agree with the sentiment that more French stuff is essential. Honestly, I was surprised when I saw no Breguet in the FC line-up...

[JG1_Butzzell]

OK

 

I think we have all really said the same thing:

 

"I want it all and I want it now!"

[J5_Adam]

3 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

Yeah! Fok. D.III is a cool choice, I'd like to see that plane in-game.  Also agree with the sentiment that more French stuff is essential. Honestly, I was surprised when I saw no Breguet in the FC line-up...

yes that was one piece that was missing in rof. I thought we’d see more frenchie type machines

[Hohenadler]

The planes from ROF ported into FC and a few less known planes.

 

Ansaldo A.1 Balilla

Sopwith Snipe

Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard

Bristol M1

Some Junkers like the J-2 ground attack biplane

Austro-Hungarian planes

More French planes

A career mode

Italian planes

an alpine map and campaign (the Italian  Font) 

an Ottoman map and campaign.

or even better, an open script approach (I think that is what its called?) that is very much like Skyrim and Oblivion were you can basically create an entire new game within an existing game that would be more extensive than PWCG.

This is a pipe dream, but it would be cool if there was a game/sim like Il-2  were you could build, design, modify, and fly planes from the WWI period, I always wondered how a Fokker VIII would fly with a 225 hp modified BMW inline six.

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Hohenadler

[Cynic_Al]

When this thread started, for whatever reason and despite my suspicions I struggled to interpret its precise purpose.  Dictionary checks didn't seem to reveal any alternative to the expected definition for 'baptism pool', so now that there appears to be one, I propose to submit it for consideration to the editors of the leading dictionaries.  However just before I go ahead, I was wondering, Does anyone know of any other synonyms for 'revived wishlist'?