4.005C Hot fix and strafing

[Capt_Stubing]

I'm not sure why you would make mission objective targets so much harder to kill.  Strafing has become pretty useless now even with the 151 20's let alone 50 cals.  It basically relegates every mission objective object to only bombing to bring them down.  This is especially hard on maps with a lot of objects in the target area.  Just sayin

 

PS  Off the cuff it also looks like the 1000kg bombs have been greatly reduced such to the point they only destroy a single building.  They aren't worth taking anymore.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Capt_Stubing
added the 1000kg bomb problem

[LukeFF]

What targets? Tanks? Vehicles? AA guns? Artillery? Railcars? Locomotives?

[Capt_Stubing]

Control Towers Fuel Ammo hangers for sure.  Also the 1000kg is pretty useless.  I don't use it anymore.  I will do some more testing myself but this was really apparent after yesterdays patch.  

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Capt_Stubing

[Velxra]

Couple other threads are saying the same thing about the ineffectiveness of bombs larger than 50kg. Either the buildings damage value needs lowered or the bombs have a very limited area of effect. If the bombs destroy buildings in single player without issue then perhaps the server admins need to adjust the building values in their missions to be compatible with the new game version and settings.

Unsure if the issue has been corrected since the latest hotfix though

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Geronimo553

[Haza]

I watched this on TV a few years ago. Although it doesn't talk about the game target set, it at least demonstrates the effectiveness or not of certain weapons.

 

 

[315_R2r]

... SC50.... 25kg if I watch carefully enough...

But also the 500lbs 1000lbs and 2000lbs would be that ineffective in reality as they are right now... And my test I made offline shows that Germans 1800 are not much more effective as well.... IMHO something really stinks here.

[twilson37]

I will testify to the robustness of the FW-190 tail wheel in 4.005. Took out the engine of my P-47 after shooting it off. Interesting way to end a campaign.

[CanadaOne]

I tried to blow up the train bridge near the spawn point on the northern most single plane mission in the Moscow QMB.

 

2x250kg did nothing.

1 x1000lb did nothing.

2x1000lb did nothing

2 x 2000Lb did nothing.

 

Did several runs of each, dead on bombing with 5 second delay. 2x250kg always killed it before.

[Capt_Stubing]

This was reported by Alonzo in his testing which lines right up with mine.  This is from Combat Box Discord Server.  Could be a bug or something.  He mentioned from a map makers perspective they don't want to make a lot of change if the devs come back and fix things or make changes.   Which makes sense.

 

OK, I tested target destruction against ammo tents, dugouts, fuel dumps, hangars and static planes (those are some of the most common target types on CB). - Strafing using machine guns is much less effective than before. The P51 shoots through the netting of an ammo store and into the ground, and doesn't do much damage. A 2,000 durability static bomber was difficult to destroy with the P51. Tempest and K4 did much better with their explosive cannon rounds. - Splash damage seems reduced. It may even be bugged. You can drop an SC1000 into the middle of a set of dugouts, and it will kill none of them unless it scores a direct hit (in which case it will kill one dugout only). This seems to be true for groups of buildings, also. I bullseyed the midpoint between two hangars, twice, with an SC500 and it did nothing. A direct hit with an SC250 leveled each hangar easily. - Dugouts with default 25,000 durability seem indestructible with 30mm cannon. When I reduced to 15,000, I managed to kill one dugout with lucky shots through the front door. The thinking behind CB targets is that ammo tents, fuel dumps and parked planes are strafable by fighters, and currently that's only true if the fighter has cannon. So I think that needs tweaking for sure. With the dugouts, I'm not sure if there's much difference between using the 25k default and dropping it to 15k so a lucky cannon shot can destroy it through the front door. For now, I would advise against taking really big bombs. You're going to be better off with a larger number of mid-sized bombs, because buildings and dugouts appear to "eat" the explosion and die nicely to a direct hit, while splash damage seems either bugged or reduced

[LuftManu]

45 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I tried to blow up the train bridge near the spawn point on the northern most single plane mission in the Moscow QMB.

 

2x250kg did nothing.

1 x1000lb did nothing.

2x1000lb did nothing

2 x 2000Lb did nothing.

 

Did several runs of each, dead on bombing with 5 second delay. 2x250kg always killed it before.

I have no issues taking down these bridges with a SC500

 

Edit: 1000lb seems to do the job, even without a direct hit

Edited April 17, 2020 by LF_Gallahad

[CanadaOne]

53 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

I have no issues taking down these bridges with a SC500

 

Edit: 1000lb seems to do the job, even without a direct hit

 

I'll try again, but I hit it over and over and nothing. I had an 'effects mod" in the JSGME going, but that's just a graphics thing as I understand it.

 

Off to bomb, and I'll turn the mod off. I'll let you know.

 

Edit: 3 runs on the train bridge, P-38, 2x2000lb, 5 second delay, perfect hits. No damage.

Edited April 17, 2020 by CanadaOne

[CanadaOne]

Tried it again, the train bridge between Migalovo airfield and Kalinin, up north on the Moscow map.

 

Loaded up the JU-88 and He-111 with the biggest bombs, 10 second delay, scored perfect hits, and no damage at all.

[LuftManu]

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Tried it again, the train bridge between Migalovo airfield and Kalinin, up north on the Moscow map.

 

Loaded up the JU-88 and He-111 with the biggest bombs, 10 second delay, scored perfect hits, and no damage at all.

Do you have a track? Which bridge? Coords please?

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Do you have a track? Which bridge? Coords please?

 

Don't know how to post tracks. Hell, posting these pics nearly killed me.

 

The explosion is 2x2000lb from a P-38 with a 10 second delay. You can see the last of the smoke from the explosion in the other pic and no bridge damage.

 

And just so you know, I'm not complaining, just seems to be a minor bug.

 

 

[LuftManu]

24 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Don't know how to post tracks. Hell, posting these pics nearly killed me.

 

The explosion is 2x2000lb from a P-38 with a 10 second delay. You can see the last of the smoke from the explosion in the other pic and no bridge damage.

 

And just so you know, I'm not complaining, just seems to be a minor bug.

 

 

 

No problem mate! Just trying to locate the issue. I had no problems yesterday bombing that very bridge. If you could share a track would be great to a report. I don't know what's the problem as I can't reproduce on my end. 

[CanadaOne]

5 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

No problem mate! Just trying to locate the issue. I had no problems yesterday bombing that very bridge. If you could share a track would be great to a report. I don't know what's the problem as I can't reproduce on my end. 

 

I don't know how to post tracks. Then again don't know how to record them either. But you're dropping that same bridge? 'Cause it ain't moving for me and always did before.

 

I'll check to see if I missed a hotfix or something.

[LuftManu]

Just now, CanadaOne said:

 

I don't know how to post tracks. Then again don't know how to record them either. But you're dropping that same bridge? 'Cause it ain't moving for me and always did before.

 

I'll check to see if I missed a hotfix or something.

Yes! It's where I took the pics yesterday

[CanadaOne]

Oh for God's sake, I just started the game online, which I never do except when there is an update, and now it's loading a 1.10 GB update or hotfix. I usually don't miss update announcements.

 

I'll try again when it's installed.

[Tipsi]

6 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I don't know how to post tracks.

I think when you hit record (CNTRL + R), you create a file hiding somewhere in your il2 directory.

 

find the file and then upload it to your post in the forums. 
 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Tipsi

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

Oh for God's sake, I just started the game online, which I never do except when there is an update, and now it's loading a 1.10 GB update or hotfix. I usually don't miss update announcements.

 

I'll try again when it's installed.

Han just posted 1-hour ago so you didn't miss it by much ?

[Dakpilot]

I don't think the latest hotfix is more than 400mb

 

I think Canada one has missed the whole patch.. 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[DD_Arthur]

Just now......

 

Uh oh.  Forgot to sign the insurance waiver on my hired P38

Edited April 18, 2020 by DD_Arthur

[CanadaOne]

25 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Han just posted 1-hour ago so you didn't miss it by much ?

 

Had I been born with a working brain, I would have been a threat to the whole planet. But as it stands, not so much.

 

Da bridge done blowed up after the install of the 1.10GB update or fix.

 

Apologies.

[Dakpilot]

You should feel privileged to get special 1.1 GB update to fix your bridge issue ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[CanadaOne]

I read a bit in the announcements and it looks like I missed two hotfixes.

 

Did they install a Mosquito while I wasn't looking.

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

I read a bit in the announcements and it looks like I missed two hotfixes.

 

Did they install a Mosquito while I wasn't looking.

 

Yep!

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Welp, gonna need a Mosquito eater now........

[Rjel]

45 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Welp, gonna need a Mosquito eater now........

 

[Beazil]

1 hour ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Welp, gonna need a Mosquito eater now........

Nom nom nom!

[jollyjack]

5 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Had I been born with a working brain, I would have been a threat to the whole planet. But as it stands, not so much.

 

Da bridge done blowed up after the install of the 1.10GB update or fix.

 

Apologies.

 

5 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

You should feel privileged to get special 1.1 GB update to fix your bridge issue ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

It fixed my brain issue too ...

[CanadaOne]

4 hours ago, Rjel said:

5 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Welp, gonna need a Mosquito eater now........

 

 

If that plane were offered here, I would drop money on it so fast you wouldn't see my hands move.

[Taxman]

Thanks for the new version and the hot fixes.