FC1 dead meat?

[CB77Don246]

On 4/2/2020 at 9:52 PM, J28w-Broccoli said:

 

That's a shame because it is still beautiful.

Yes and the Dover cliffs are better than all other sims I have seen and a lot of sims do not have Dover Castle ROF do's

[Enceladus828]

Whenever a FC2 is given the go, as well as other Flying Circus (or whatever this new series is called) volumes, let’s hope that it doesn’t go the pretty much same way that FC1 went with $80 USD for 10 planes + map (that are already in RoF), no scripted campaigns, and some other things.

[SeaW0lf]

On 4/17/2020 at 7:18 AM, Zooropa_Fly said:

Has everyone seen Emely's Dr1 damage video ?

 

Has everyone seen my video? Three bursts and the whole left section of the Dr1 went folding like leaves.

 

There are several bug videos from ROF with planes flying with no wings, I believe with several planes, Pfalzes, etc. So my advice is to don't fall for the trolling or occasional bias whining.

[Dutch2]

1 hour ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Whenever a FC2 is given the go, as well as other Flying Circus (or whatever this new series is called) volumes, let’s hope that it doesn’t go the pretty much same way that FC1 went with $80 USD for 10 planes + map (that are already in RoF), no scripted campaigns, and some other things.  try the scripted campaign from vanderPlas.  https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/56339-kaiserschlacht-flying-circus-mini-campaign/

 

I will gladly pay $80,- for an decent made game like all the BoX series, with or with out the career mode I do not care, as PWCG is an decent alternative  (I do hope one day this PWCG will be integrated ingame as an GUIfile like in RoF). 

Only in my opinium what suppose to be an simple swap job to create easy money, has been ending to something that is not real satisfying . I do not know what went wrong but if I take a close look at the intact houses at the front line and that bad made nomansland in VR, I can only guess what went wrong here. 

I'm sure the intentions were good at the start and indeed some of the FC planes are well being made, but another $80,- FC2 made by Yugra media, nope. 

 

BTW, I do not know which Design buro is making that tank game, but to me it appears that TC is much better made than the FC results made by Yugra media.   

Edited April 18, 2020 by Dutch2

[Zooropa_Fly]

53 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

Has everyone seen my video? Three bursts and the whole left section of the Dr1 went folding like leaves.

 

There are several bug videos from ROF with planes flying with no wings, I believe with several planes, Pfalzes, etc. So my advice is to don't fall for the trolling or occasional bias whining.

 

I don't believe I'm falling for anything, just reporting my game experiences.

Those two videos seem to contradict each other.

But then again you are a good shot.

[emely]

1 hour ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

Three bursts and the whole left section of the Dr1 went folding like leaves.

 

You fired continuously for twenty seconds.  What three bullets are you talking about?  Even such a duration of firing is possible online if the pilot Dr1 turned on the autorot and went to write in the toilet.  But your video is not online, but offline, and this makes the situation different.  In addition, Mauser tried not to hit my pilot and aimed in the middle of the wing.  In fact, seeing Dr1 even without half the upper wing online is a rarity, and cutting off all three of them is almost impossible.  It's you whining that you lost invulnerability!  And this is not surprising - with the old DM, Dr1 had only two hitboxes, a pilot and an engine.

[SeaW0lf]

22 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Those two videos seem to contradict each other.

 

Every plane will have its moments. The damage model is the same for all planes. By the way, I got that footage in my second attempt (the first I got the pilot killed). That's it. I had a quick venture into the QM. And the bug thing is real. There are some funny ROF videos of planes flying with no wings. Of course these things were most likely ported to FC, but it does not mean that you can single out one plane. 

 

We do have some specific bugs, like the diving D7 and such (that I believe was ported from ROF), but that's a different thing.

 

Back on topic, I just think they should readjust the price. I was thinking about buying a copy to do recon / bombing missions, but I'm not sure if I would buy it even with 50% discount. Hard sell at the moment.

[emely]

We made 4 flights.  Two on a SeVa, two on a camel.  At the same time, we changed roles, but the result was the same.

[Stumble]

4 hours ago, emely said:

You fired continuously for twenty seconds.  What three bullets are you talking about?

The video is only 21 seconds long... with the wings starting to break at 16 seconds. I counted about 5 bursts, 3 very long and 2 very short (Bursts, he never said bullets). Yeah it might not have been like the other videos of the alb going down after 1 or 2 hits... but his video clearly shows there's something wrong. All of these videos people are posting clearly show this isn't right. I don't understand how some of you guys can't see this.

 

I'm not saying wings never came off during WW1, several sources provide accounts of wings falling off. However, If this current DM was somewhat 'realistic' every ww1 pilot would have aimed for only the wings... but that's definitely not the case.

 

I'm actually starting to think you guys are flying a different game.

 

S!

Edited April 19, 2020 by Stumble

[emely]

You did not understand .  I'm not talking about the fact that the new DM suits me.  I say that Dr1 is the most damage-resistant aircraft in the game.  Even now, when a pair of bullets is enough to break the wing on any other airplane

[Stumble]

Sorry if my post seemed as If I was attacking. Wasn't intended whatsoever. And that wasn't directed only at you, just people who don't seem to notice the change. But its good news, the devs are looking into it. However, they said the solution wont be quick.

 

It'll be a while but at least they're doing something about it.

 

So S! to the devs. Thanks!

[Zooropa_Fly]

What I'm finding, is that I'm able to saw a wing off with a long concentrated burst to the same wing section. One of those times you get it right.

The notion of a couple of random holes in the fabric making a wing fall off hasn't been seen in my game yet.

 

I'm wondering if they've tried to balance this change by making pilots and engines a bit tougher.

I'm certainly still not shooting down as many bot planes as pre-patch ?

[Stumble]

3 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

What I'm finding, is that I'm able to saw a wing off with a long concentrated burst to the same wing section. One of those times you get it right.

The notion of a couple of random holes in the fabric making a wing fall off hasn't been seen in my game yet.

 

I'm wondering if they've tried to balance this change by making pilots and engines a bit tougher.

I'm certainly still not shooting down as many bot planes as pre-patch ?

Did they change AI behavior? Perhaps that's why it's harder to shoot down more planes

[Zooropa_Fly]

Yes there is that as well, Spads and SE5's like to run for it now. I get sucked into a bit of long range shooting.

Well spotted that chap !

And get to bed - have you seen the time ?

[jojy47jojyrocks]

I would buy FC vol1 IF the devs support SP like giving us the Career mode...

[Dutch2]

1 hour ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

I would buy FC vol1 IF the devs support SP like giving us the Career mode...

 

Why because PWCG is a far more better alternative then then an online career mode that those students from Yugra media ever could create. Why putting that labor and cost, for another 4y of Beta Career like in RoF, better to spent on needed extra planes. 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

4 hours ago, Dutch2 said:

 

Why because PWCG is a far more better alternative then then an online career mode that those students from Yugra media ever could create. Why putting that labor and cost, for another 4y of Beta Career like in RoF, better to spent on needed extra planes. 

 

 

Some people don't like to fiddle with third party stuff.

[Feathered_IV]

PWCG doesn’t work for me.  Tabbing out of the game to fiddle with the menu, I am instantly reminded that I have other things to do and it takes me right out of it.  I never end up going back for a second mission.  

[Dutch2]

48 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

PWCG doesn’t work for me.  Tabbing out of the game to fiddle with the menu, I am instantly reminded that I have other things to do and it takes me right out of it.  I never end up going back for a second mission.  

 

Your right and gone is the immersion, thats why I was a bid angry at Jason, he still do not get the point,  how important for exROF’ers this is, (=to get that PWCG ingame Gui working like in RoF). 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Dutch2

[Varibraun]

@jojy47jojyrocks I hear you guys about a stock campaign, I think this is a real Catch-22 for the Devs and any future FC development $$.  I was also someone who didn't like going to 3rd party items.

 

That said, PWCG (and VR which also requires 'fiddling") brought me 180 on that perspective.  I think if you give PWCG a real chance, you will see that Dutch is correct that it actually offers more SP "depth" into a squadron and pilot progress than the stock campaign in RoF/BoX.  There certainly are more steps and screens/logs/reports, but that is where that deeper info is found. 

 

As the only FC career option, for me, it provides the "heart" I need to keep playing FC as a SP.   Pat has continued improving it and adding many new features/options over these past few months.  I would encourage anyone looking for a career to give it fair try, for most who have an interest, I think it will be worth the time spent figuring it out.  It really isn't more than a download and a few extra clicks (for me taking off the VR headset is a good thing after a mission anyway, and PWCG is the ready room debrief).

 

Bottom line - As a SP/VR player, I really hope that FC continues development.  I don't want to see anyone who might be interested in FC turned away simply because of the current lack of a stock campaign.  If you have BoX and the lack of a stock campaign is the only thing holding you back from FC, don't be hesitant to give PWCG a try in BoX to help make your decision.

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Varibraun

[J2_Bidu]

I will buy any new FC content no matter what. It had to be something completely ridiculous for me not to. Not gonna happen.

[liaxelotliaxelot]

virabraun, i m agree   for  all   you   say

but  i don t pay  for   FC with only one french aircraf

where are the nieuport, morane, breguet and other ?
this game is felt to represent the last year of the world war one

on the western front, so in france !
and there are only SPAD 13 !? it s a fun ! no ?
I expect more content and then we will see especially at this price!

Edited May 3, 2020 by liaxelotliaxelot

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

35 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

I will buy any new FC content no matter what. It had to be something completely ridiculous for me not to. Not gonna happen.

 

That's why we get what we get.

[J2_Bidu]

21 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

 

That's why we get what we get.

 

Yeah. Or else we wouldn't get anything. You're welcome.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Well you best go pre-order a couple more copies of Normandy to "support the devs" so you can get more "something".

Edited May 3, 2020 by J28w-Broccoli

[Enceladus828]

In dev blog#197 Jason says “ If you are concerned about the Pilot Career, please know this. We can’t support the Pilot Career for FC yet because we are still building support for WW2 and other general features and mission types it needs. Remember, it’s still new tech for the Great Battles series and we have to build this support in-house.”

 

Cutting to the chase, I think whenever the devs are able to build a Pilot Career for FC is when they’re ready to do FC2. Also, when they were ready to build a Pilot Career for FC is probably when they should have started development of Flying Circus, IMO.

[J2_Bidu]

23 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Also, when they were ready to build a Pilot Career for FC is probably when they should have started development of Flying Circus, IMO.

 

Yes, and we would still be in ROF flying happily to this day. Us, what.. seven guys? Ah no, one us the server itself. Six then. Crowded house!

 

Do you think we should all be sorry that they made FC? Once communities die, they are hard to ressuscitate.  FC kept ROF community essentially together.

 

I think it's a great game. Unfortunately it currently has a few very annoying problems,  but I trust things will improve.

[Dutch2]

12 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

Yes, and we would still be in ROF flying happily to this day. Us, what.. seven guys? Ah no, one us the server itself. Six then. Crowded house!

 

Do you think we should all be sorry that they made FC? Once communities die, they are hard to ressuscitate.  FC kept ROF community essentially together.

 

I think it's a great game. Unfortunately it currently has a few very annoying problems,  but I trust things will improve.

 

 

If you take not any attention to a flysim game, then its dead within one year. I’m sure if 1C and Jason are stopping with the developers diary to show there progress, not doing any game updates and leaving the forum to spammers, its in the same stage as now RoF is, within one year. 

One exception,   if in the gamescene contain some very good modders, like MS-FS, Il2-1946 or wayback in time RB3d. If modders can actually improve the game, then also its lifetime will be extended. 

[liaxelotliaxelot]

17 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

I think it's a great game. Unfortunately it currently has a few very annoying problems,  but I trust things will improve.

yes  it s terribly simple !

it is poor bland and without depth!
10 planes (not all well chosen in view of the period)
no mission or campaign without speaking career
a WW2 version copy and paste map from ROF ... ...

yes a few problems !

for an Free or cheap add on ok but at this state, diffinetly too expensive for the job !

[Varibraun]

3 hours ago, liaxelotliaxelot said:

where are the nieuport, morane, breguet and other ?

 

Yes, I appreciate your perspective, and I hope that development continues, and we see these (for me, especially the Nieuport) and many others make their way over from RoF.  The current sale price isn't bad for the current ten that are included.  

 

Edit - Sorry, just saw your post above, and will agree to disagree...flying the included in VR is simply a joy for me.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Varibraun

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

 

That's why we get what we get.

If you’re not happy with what you got, develop your own game.  Once you see that hardly anyone wants to buy it, then you might really begin to understand why you get what you get.

Edited May 3, 2020 by BraveSirRobin

[Redwo1f]

If they aren't going to do FC2, then announce it, cut the losses, and move on. I don't think being in limbo is doing anyone any good at this point.

 

(also suspect now more than ever with covid-19 pandemic and overall, on average, people  in general having less disposable income for the foreseeable future, IF FC is generating a net loss for this relatively small studio then financially it might be prudent to do so (though admittedly I don't know if that is indeed the situation, but suspect it is))

Edited May 3, 2020 by Redwo1f

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

1 hour ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

Yes, and we would still be in ROF flying happily to this day. Us, what.. seven guys? Ah no, one us the server itself. Six then. Crowded house!

 

It's almost as if a multiplayer game that gets put on the dev backburner isn't destined to keep its community around.  Weird.

 

I think most people who were excited about FC were hoping that it would represent a renewed focus on the genre by the devs, in parallel with the WW2 stuff.  I highly doubt that most of the old community would have been as excited as they were about the prospect of a one and done WW1 foray.

 

Unfortunately that community isn't large enough to support the game.  The devs took a gamble, and the sales weren't there- at least judging by where their attentions seem to be now, and the state that FC seems to be in for the foreseeable future.

 

Blindly proclaiming that I will buy anything FC only incentivizes low effort dlc; because that's the only thing that will be profitable; which for me- I'd rather have nothing.  Feel free to agree to disagree.

 

The audience just isn't there like it is for the WW2 birds, so our content is always going to take a back seat.

Edited May 3, 2020 by J28w-Broccoli

[J2_Bidu]

42 minutes ago, liaxelotliaxelot said:

yes  it s terribly simple !

it is poor bland and without depth!
10 planes (not all well chosen in view of the period)
no mission or campaign without speaking career
a WW2 version copy and paste map from ROF ... ...

yes a few problems !

for an Free or cheap add on ok but at this state, diffinetly too expensive for the job !

 

I see your problem. You probably don't fly multiplayer much. I can live perfectly without missions, campaigns or careers.

 

We pay the price of niche within niche.Considering that, it's actually cheap.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Some people find the typical multiplayer match anything but immersive.  Others have bad connections, thinly populated timezones, etc.  Some don't have the hardware needed to be competitive.

 

There are lots of reasons somebody might prefer single player.  You're not one of them, so you're happy.  I'm happy you're happy; but it's not their "problem".  They just have a different focus for whatever reason.

Edited May 3, 2020 by J28w-Broccoli

[jollyjack]

Just now, J2_Bidu said:

I will buy any new FC content no matter what. It had to be something completely ridiculous for me not to. Not gonna happen.

 

FC is more fun for me too ... i am old, so are the planes. Feel at home with FC1 ..

[liaxelotliaxelot]

14 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

Some people find the typical multiplayer match anything but immersive.  Others have bad connections, thinly populated timezones, etc.  Some don't have the hardware needed to be competitive.

 

There are lots of reasons somebody might prefer single player.  You're not one of them, so you're happy.  I'm happy you're happy.

 

exactly +1

[ZachariasX]

It‘s fun. As any basic improvement to the WW2 modules also adds to FC, this game is far from abandoned. Also asking for features that never were in spec for FC is really asking for a lot.

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

10 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

As any basic improvement to the WW2 modules also adds to FC

 

True!  Like the DM changes.

[J2_Bidu]

1 hour ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

I'm happy you're happy; but it's not their "problem".  They just have a different focus for whatever reason.

 

I didn't say it was their problem.

I said it was their problem.

 

Did you note the different intonation? And intent?

 

They have a problem. It affects them. It's their problem. I empathize. I would like it to be solved. Even selfishly, as it might improve sales and ensure the game will continue to exist, which might affect me. But I don't really have that problem. They have.

1 hour ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

There are lots of reasons somebody might prefer single player.  You're not one of them, so you're happy.  I'm happy you're happy;

 

I have no problem with people preferring single player. But it's not like they were cheated in their expectations. The game is what it is, currently.

 

I'm happy ROF has single player. Sometimes I play it, some Campaigns are fun. And when I bought it, I bought it exactly for that. Multiplayer came later for me.

36 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

 

True!  Like the DM changes.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/local_minimum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_climbing

Edited May 3, 2020 by J2_Bidu
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