FAA report on Collings B-17 crash

[Bremspropeller]

I think Boeing is the best, brightest and most recent example, how SMS and safety-culture can fail big time, if it's done without dedication by top management.

I'm currently working for a company that has somewhat similar issues. And I know other people that do work for other companies with such issues, too.

 

Regulators can only do so much to enforce policies and practices. If they're not lived and breathed by top management, it's all just a fancy cage for a paper-tiger.

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[Rjel]

Pretty damning report.

 

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/FAA-says-no-passengers-on-Collings-Foundations-15157635.php

[ZachariasX]

6 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Regulators can only do so much to enforce policies and practices.

I certainly believe you. However you can (if you really want) do a surprising lot. It's just that airplane builders are by no means up to standard for different reasons. It's just manual labor. It is stone age compared for instance to car production. Also documentation requirements in the aircrtaft building industry are a joke compared to what you could impose in terms of regulation as seen for instance in Pharma.

 

[Bremspropeller]

I'm going with you, when talking about *CS 23 or even Annex 2 aircraft. *CS 25 is a different game, though. There's still lots of manual labor, but automation has become very common there, too.

 

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For our brethren from across the pond:

*EASA-lingo. For FAA lingo, exchange "CS" (Certification Specifications) with "Part".

We use the term "Part", too. But in different parts of the regulations.

 

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

I'm going with you, when talking about *CS 23 or even Annex 2 aircraft.

This, yes.

 

CS 25 very, very far from anyone keeping his oldtimer in shape. This is probably when we have to find some middle ground to make it both possible keeping the old birds in shape as well as adopting better discipline.

 

In case of the Ju-Air, I‘m quiet certain that when being operational again, ops won‘t be the anything like it was before. Also, I doubt they would be a normal airline (as it was until now) anymore, but have significant restrictions.

[jollyjack]

On 10/2/2019 at 5:50 PM, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

It seems the Collings Foundation lost it's B-17 today. No reports on injuries yet. Terrible terrible loss. Hoping it was only the aircraft as it is used for tour rides.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/nyregion/plane-crash.html

 

Update: Landing accident, not take off or airborne. Six injured.

 

https://people.com/human-interest/vintage-wwii-plane-crash-bradley-airport-connecticut/

 

Sad to hear that, especially in regards of those killed and wounded. Those B17s were terrible weapons, only to be used in a flight sim game maybe ...

I remember an accident with a C47 (Historical Dakota DC3) full of passengers in Holland, crashiing in a fog due engine failure and probably lack of modern navigation equipment . .. https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19960925-0

Edited April 6, 2020 by jollyjack