Is it possible...?

[CorvusX]

I wonder if it's possible that TV shows from the early nineties have a negative impact on today's society? 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by CorvusX

[AndyJWest]

Bog-roll panics go back a lot further than the nineties. Both the UK and the US had them in the seventies, and they would no doubt have occurred earlier had most people not been accustomed to using alternatives, or at least been aware that they existed. I have a suspicion that one reason they spread so effectively is that it is relatively easy to see them starting. Or imagine one sees them starting. During any perceived social crisis (real or imaginary) one tends to be alert for unusual things, or to read more into them than one might otherwise do. In normal times, if one sees someone exiting the local Kwik-E-Mart with a trolley loaded to the brim with quilted doubly-ply netherwipe, one just makes a joke to oneself about the effects of spicy foods, and thinks  no more of it. See the same thing when one is expecting a zombie apocalypse or something similar, and one's immediate assumption is that they know something you don't. Which then leads to you filling a cart with the stuff too, making it even more obvious to everyone else that they need to do the same.

 

Panic buying of other things happens too, of course, but netherwipe is both bulky and cheap, meaning that buying ridiculous amounts is easy (until the panic takes hold), and that everyone can see you have done it from a mile off. In a panic-infectious environment the panics that spread furthest are those that infect the most, the fastest, and fear-of-no-netherwipe disease is uniquely adapted to rapid transmission. Natural selection at its finest.

Edited March 17, 2020 by AndyJWest

[Zooropa_Fly]

The shelves started emptying the day after toilet roll was spoken about on the TV.

Monkey see monkey do.

 

[Raptorattacker]

On 3/17/2020 at 5:15 PM, AndyJWest said:

Bog-roll panics go back a lot further than the nineties.

The unfathomable thing about all this is that if there were no 'panic-buying' then there would be no panic. It would be fantastic to think that the guilty would feel terrible if their selfishness caused the suffering (or, your god forbid, death) of others but unfortunately these people seem immune to thinking of those things. Ergo problem...

Just sayin'...

Rap

On 3/17/2020 at 5:15 PM, AndyJWest said:

Natural selection at its finest

AbsoLUTEly!!

[Zooropa_Fly]

When it's announced that people could be forcibly held prisoner in their homes for an unknown number of weeks or months, of course people will buy extra.

No excuses for some of the lunacy we've seen of course.

 

Those who have not prepared in any way for this will be the first to get hungry, if it comes to that.

And if people do start to get hungry, watch out.

[CorvusX]

12 hours ago, Raptorattacker said:

The unfathomable thing about all this is that if there were no 'panic-buying' then there would be no panic.

Exactly, just google how Taiwan handled this crisis. There simply was no panik buying.

 

The "funny" thing is of course you still get everything you need for survival   a normal living, just not anymore in one shop, you need to look in three or four shops, and this is "great" in times when you sholud keep contact to other people as low as possible.

 

Here in germany "Lock down" means you are still allowed to go to the grocery store to buy your (and your pets) food and you are still "allowed" to go to work if  homeoffice isn't an option.

In my hometown this kind of "Lock down" might come next week and I am still not in panic that my family or I will starve, because even if we will be forced not to leave the house for anything, the Red Cross and/or the Army and other organisations will bring "care packages" to our doors. 

We are not at war and we don't have crop failures just a high amount of selfish idiots. 

 

Stay Healthy!

 

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by CorvusX

[Gambit21]

55 minutes ago, CorvusX said:

 

In my hometown this kind of "Lock down" might come next week and I am still not in panic that my family or I will starve, because even if we will be forced not to leave the house for anything, the Red Cross and/or the Army and other organisations will bring "care packages" to our doors. 

 

Wow...just wow.

[Raptorattacker]

11 hours ago, CorvusX said:

Stay Healthy!

And you my friend!! See you all on the other side!!

Rap

[Jaws2002]

14 hours ago, CorvusX said:

In my hometown this kind of "Lock down" might come next week and I am still not in panic that my family or I will starve, because even if we will be forced not to leave the house for anything, the Red Cross and/or the Army and other organisations will bring "care packages" to our doors. 

We are not at war and we don't have crop failures just a high amount of selfish idiots. 

 

 

  The world today is extremely reliant on the supply chain to work flawlessly. Most of the population is in urban or suburban areas and depend on that grocery store to stay open and the supply chain to work.

   It's absolutely imperative every household to have the basics for at least three weeks in home, just in case something like this happens. That way you don't have to hoard in the last week, when everyone else is hoarding, risking to get infected and putting such an unnecessary strain on the supply chain. 

 If you have food and the basics stored up in advance, you also don't have to go out every day, if they are rationing the food. 

      Being confident the Red Cross will bring you food to your door step is a very naive and dangerous way to live. I saw what happened in China. They bulldozed the highways, to enforce the quarantine.

     How will the truck come to bring you food if that happens and why should someone else risk their life to feed you, just because you were ignorant about the world around you?

   Everyone could see what's going on in China since January. Why are people so ignorant about the world around them,  I'll never understand....I guess, that's why we are where we are, in this dark times.

 

 

  

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Zooropa_Fly]

And start making things last, I haven't seen any advice in that regard.

3rd World bog roll rations, i.e. 3 sheets per visit.

Use as little of everything as you can.

Salute and good luck folks.

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, raaaid said:

 

when i wrote this i was on withdraw symptom, not now, trully theres a really evil side on me im getting to now

 

 

Don't sweat it man...We know you are weird.  

[CorvusX]

6 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

  Being confident the Red Cross will bring you food to your door step is a very naive and dangerous way to live. I saw what happened in China. They bulldozed the highways, to enforce the quarantine.

     How will the truck come to bring you food if that happens and why should someone else risk their life to feed you, just because you were ignorant about the world around you?

I'm not from China and things that do happen there will not happen here. (Old Europe Germany)

Jesus, what I say is that there is no need to be afraid of starving in your home (in germany) and I simply  described the worst case scenario! 
I strongly doubt that it will come to this in this crisis!

In germany no one needs to starve because we are forced to stay at home! 

 

If people would not have food anymore, do you really think they will stay at home?  
 

I'm not ignorant! Just because I let other people the opportunity to buy supplies they need!

In fact I could be one of the guys who will deliver food to other people (again in the worst case!) because I'm working for the city administrative.
(here also fire dep. , ambulances a.s.o. are part of the City administrative , not just office people)
And at the moment everyone, even the office guys will be ordered to help "at the front" if necessary.

We had a lot of crisis meetings the last week to organize what might come the next week(s).
A lot of what is already planed will not be needed in the end.
Plus the logistics for this is not as hard as you describe (at least not  in germany).
So, if we are needed to do so, we will be used for tasks like this and I still don't think that it will come that hard.

Again, everything is still available for everybody (there is no food and no "TP" under-supply) just not in one shop, because of such "wise people" who store stuff for months they will not need now! 
So everyone who needs something must look into 3-4 shops to get something they need.
That simply leads to, that people are forced to have more contact to others than necessary.
Thanks to the "wise and social" people that bought stuff they will touch the first time in 4-6 weeks.

 

The "lock down"  - here in North Rhine Westphalia -  will be like it is in Bavaria

 

Bavaria is the first german federal state that got the "lock down" and of course the people  are allowed to go to the:

-grocery store,

-doctor,

-pharmacy,

-work if necessary,

-if they have animals they are allowed to go outside to take care of them

-and they are still allowed to do sports outside (as long as they do it alone).

 

You see, no one is really locked up in their rooms! 

So no groups of people are allowed and to go outside should be reduced to a necesssary minimum.

All what the people should do is reduce contact.

 

What our goverment said about storage of food is:

"you should have  supplies that you are able to stay 10-14 days at home". - Most (or at least, a lot of) people do have this even in normal times.

This works perfectly, if not some dumbasses buy supplies like there is no tomorrow. 

 

Anyway.

 

Stay Healthy!

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by CorvusX

[Jaws2002]

13 minutes ago, CorvusX said:

Jesus, what I say is that there is no need to be afraid of starving in your home (in germany) and I simply  described the worst case scenario! 
I strongly doubt that it will come to this in this crisis!

 

 

  That's not the worst scenario. far from it. The economy grinds to a screeching halt!

     Just because politicians tell you the food and emergency products will flow, it doesn't mean it will be so. The supply of food, medication and emergency material, doesn't happen in vacuum. The rest of the economy has to work to sustain those activities. The repair shops for trucks are closed, the automakers closed most of the plants, parts and material from outside are not coming anymore. How long do you think those trucks and food processing plants, and going to run without spare parts and regular maintenance?

 

    Someone once said that, "the difference between a civilized man and a murdering savage, is nine meals."  

 

  

Edited March 21, 2020 by Jaws2002

[CorvusX]

28 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

The repair shops for trucks are closed, the automakers closed most of the plants, parts and material from outside are not coming anymore.   

Not here, repair shops are still open and working, DHL, amazon a.s.o still delivering like normal. repair parts are also in stock and stored (like private people do with food and other supplies) 

 

28 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

How long do you think those trucks and food processing plants, and going to run without spare parts and regular maintenance?

at least a few weeks/month even if we are not able to get new repair parts we have smart technicans that are abe to use used parts (take one truck out to keep 2-3 running) .

 

Sorry but I am far away from getting panic.

Edited March 21, 2020 by CorvusX

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, CorvusX said:

 

Sorry but I am far away from getting panic.

 

Yeah because that was his point. ?

You’re very far away from a few things other than panic.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

How long do you think those trucks and food processing plants, and going to run without spare parts and regular maintenance?

 

Probably for a few years.  You’ve got a house full of toilet paper, don’t you?

[Vig]

Take a deep breath and don't let the small stuff irritate you.  This is only the beginning of a very long haul.  I hope that you are right about your government being able to take care of all your needs.  It is too soon to tell.  

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, raaaid said:

i ordered some clay to sculpt at amazon

 

its for my sanity

I’m pretty sure that ship sailed a long time ago.

[Jaws2002]

37 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Probably for a few years.

 

  Good for you to have your rose tinted glasses on. I talked to a friend of mine, his brother is driving trucks from Canada to Texas. He sad his brother was stuck on the side of the road for 32 hours, because of a blown up tire. In a normal day, that tire would be replaced in an hour. 

 

41 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

You’ve got a house full of toilet paper, don’t you?

 

Nope. I don't. I don't even think TP is a critical item.   

[Zooropa_Fly]

Civilisation won't end, but the current economic system will, along with several other things. 

Goodbye the age of individualism, hello collectivism. 

[[I./JG62]steppa]

I had some limes left over and wanted to buy some Corona beer today. It was completely sold out where i live, according to the store manager for 3 more months, because the demand was so high.

Sometimes you really have to wonder about the germans, horting toilett paper and corona beer...

 

Enjoy the nice weather and the free/family time folks.

I´m back to my relaxing staycation in balconia,

Greetings!

Edited March 22, 2020 by [I./JG62]steppa

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Civilisation won't end, but the current economic system will, along with several other things. 

Goodbye the age of individualism, hello collectivism. 

There was an age of individualism?  Lol. 

[Jaws2002]

10 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Did they have to build a new tire from scratch?  

  The road assistance network isn't working anymore. ...and the rest of your post is just your typical personal attack and trolling.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Jaws2002

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

  The road assistance network isn't working anymore. 

Because people forgot how to drive trucks?

BTW, the road assistance network may have broken down for trucks carrying TP,  but trucks carrying beer seem to be getting through with no trouble.

[CorvusX]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Yeah because that was his point. ?

You’re very far away from a few things other than panic.

Such as not sharing your opinion.

Oh wait, that wasn't your point, this should be just a funny insult, ...damn to late.

 

It's a sensless "discussion". Time will tell who's right.

Until then I keep It with Simons and Nicks Plan

[Zooropa_Fly]

4 hours ago, CorvusX said:

-if they have animals they are allowed to go outside to take care of them

-and they are still allowed to do sports outside (as long as they do it alone).

 

 

From the BBC re. Lombardi region, Italy. :

"Under the new rules announced late on Saturday, sport and physical activity outside, even individually, is banned. Using vending machines is forbidden. "

[CorvusX]

10 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

From the BBC re. Lombardi region, Italy. :

"Under the new rules announced late on Saturday, sport and physical activity outside, even individually, is banned. Using vending machines is forbidden. "

 

.... It's long ago that Italy and Germany (in this case and for today, only Bavaria) had the same law .... 

Edited March 22, 2020 by CorvusX

[Eisenfaustus]

Guys - why are you trying to prove Corvus wrong when you have absolutely no idea how it is in Germany? Right now we are still giving relevant goods to Italy because we have surplus. The infection rate is already in decline in contrast to Italy. 

We are not Canada, we are not China and we are not Italy. 

How bad COVID19 may be - it will be far less devestating than Anglo- American carpet bombing and even back than Germany was far from becoming a savage post apocalyptic society. 

And by the way he is right - my Grenadiers are preparing to either support food delivery or support the police in upholding law and order - but I doubt either will be necessary. But if - we'll be there. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

It's not a case of trying to prove anyone wrong.

There's differences in action by Region, never mind Country.

 

However, slowly but surely they're rolling out essentially the same plan everywhere, it's just staggered.

If the point in question isn't happening in Corvus' Region, I'm simply pointing out that what he said won't happen, is happening in some other places.

 

One of the big philosophical issues here is just what I said earlier about Collectivism.

• We are no longer allowed to make decisions for our individual safety and that of our families.
• We must now do as we're told by Government (via Global organisations) for the supposed good of everybody else. At the point of a gun if necessary.

Every other story just now is a social shaming hit piece in one way or another, to ram this home.

And every country's mainstream output is exactly the same. I include Youtube and all the major social media platforms in 'mainstream' now.

Type 'Coronavirus' into Youtube and see how far down the list you get before you find something that isn't from : BBC ; CNN ; The Times ; Fox ; NBC ; The Economist etc etc.

The narrative is completely controlled, and no investigative journalism is happening from any of these sources.

We're just tuning in to be told what to do today.

 

This should be taken seriously, the virus is clearly real. I've volunteered with my local group if anyone needs assistance, and checking up on older people I know.

But to trash 99% of the population, for something 80% of the population will suffer symptoms ranging from nothing to mild, isn't a very technocratic decision at all.

All our resources should be aimed at keeping the vulnerable groups safe, the rest of the population doesn't need to be under house arrest, becoming homeless, penniless and hungry.

Unless they're not telling us something.

 

 

 

 

[Eisenfaustus]

It's about the health care systems - the high rate of infection brings many of them to their knees by sheer number of infected. The better the health care system is, the better it can cope.  But the only way to keep them from collapsing in the end is to slow down the rate of infection by avoiding social interaction whenever possible. 

 

This is a serious crisis but no apocalypse and not the result of any conspiracy. 

[Vig]

57 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

* * *

Unless they're not telling us something.

 

Exactly.  The fix is too drastic for the degree of health threat described.  And I say this as a member of several of the most vulnerable demographics.  We are the ones who logically should be quarantined, not the public at large.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by Vig

[Bremspropeller]

20 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

Being confident the Red Cross will bring you food to your door step is a very naive and dangerous way to live. I saw what happened in China. They bulldozed the highways, to enforce the quarantine.

 

That would require two things:

 

1) A competent government that makes decisions, rather than waiting and bein paralized.

 

2) Enough bulldozers to bulldoze anything.

 

Neither requirement is met in germany.

Also: Bulldozing the Autobahn? Haha. That's like cancelling the 2nd Amendmend in America.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[DD_Arthur]

42 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

It's about the health care systems - the high rate of infection brings many of them to their knees by sheer number of infected. The better the health care system is, the better it can cope.  But the only way to keep them from collapsing in the end is to slow down the rate of infection by avoiding social interaction whenever possible. 

 

This is a serious crisis but no apocalypse and not the result of any conspiracy. 

 

Agree completely.

 

 

[CorvusX]

1 hour ago, Vig said:

Exactly.  The fix is too drastic for the degree of health threat described.  And I say this as a member of several of the most vulnerable demographics.  We are the ones who logically should be quarantined, not the public at large.

 

The problem is, like Eisenfaustus already said right,  if only the vulnerable demographic group is quarantined, the health and other relevant systems are in danger, imagine what happens if 50% 30% of nurses and doctors are ill at the same time and are unable to work because they, just for example, lay down with fever.

And even if none of them will die and they will be back to work after one or two weeks, in the meantime (also just an example) people with injuries won't get help and stay with unnecessary suffer or die.

Again:

We need to protect the health care system and that's what makes it to a crisis.

For this, the goal is to slow the infection rate down an let people get the virus, controlled, one after one , because this virus is "new" (mutated) an we (humanity) are not resistant against it, for now.

Existing vaccines and people that are resistant is the reason why we don't need such drastic actions for the "normal" Influenza every year.

 

2 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

If the point in question isn't happening in Corvus' Region, I'm simply pointing out that what he said won't happen, is happening in some other places.

 

What I said that wont happen for sure is that people in Germany will starve because of this crisis. 

 

Everything else I mentioned, is possible and plans to handle it do already exist.

I just doubt that some of this drastic actions will happen here because of this crises - that's just my opinion and of course I do know that time can prove me wrong in one or the other thing.

 

2 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

I've volunteered with my local group if anyone needs assistance, and checking up on older people I know.

 

Big thumb up for this!

This is the spirit people should show and in my opinion it's the opposite of hoarding supplies for yourself.

I.e.: Hoarding disinfectant and masks like it happened here in the beginning lead to that people who needed it (nurses and doctors or hospitals in general) weren't able to get it (this problem is already solved in Germany by applying various measures).

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by CorvusX

[RAYEU]

Without Coments , but for what are these? :

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by RAYEU

[Jaws2002]

3 hours ago, CorvusX said:

Existing vaccines and people that are resistant is the reason why we don't need such drastic actions for the "normal" Influenza every year.

 

 

I wouldn't be so sure about how safe the vaccines are.

 

Here is the result of a larger scale test done by the military, to determine if the flu vaccine interferes with other viruses. The results are pretty scary:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599?fbclid=IwAR2FGPkFJtWOSedV57-XKyxpxeW79O6jTstv3iX2ixr2wIyq3u8eCmlY_N0

 

 

"CONCLUSIONS:

Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections."

 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647?via=ihub

 

"coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in vaccinated individuals were significantly higher when compared to unvaccinated individuals"

 

And here's the table of results that shows how much more likely you are to get corona virus if you got the flue vaccine:

 

 

 You are three times more likely to get infected if you got the flu vaccine. And since the Senior flu vaccine is a double dose compared to the normal one, that may explain why a lot more old people get hit so hard.

 

Maybe this the reason some countries get hit so hard and other not so much.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Jaws2002

[CorvusX]

16 minutes ago, RAYEU said:

Whiteout Coments , but for what are these :

Without telling what anybody should believe:

Some say that this are coffins some other say this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-coffin-corner/

(just a link of a few available about this topic), again I'm not telling you what you should believe.

 

[Jaws2002]

7 minutes ago, CorvusX said:

Without telling what anybody should believe:

Some say that this are coffins some other say this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-coffin-corner/

(just a link of a few available about this topic), again I'm not telling you what you should believe.

 

Snopes is very shady. I wouldn't put too much thrust in what they say.

 But that doesn't matter now. We'll find out soon enough if those were coffins or not.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Jaws2002

[RAYEU]

Ok thanks , CorvusX  , just curious , was another reason. 
?!.

[CorvusX]

2 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Snopes is very shady. I wouldn't put too much thrust in what they say.

 

Well, i don't know them, this was just an example and of course you can also pick one of these links.

https://www.google.de/search?client=opera&q=are+this+plastic+coffins+georgia&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8