Kicked from server

[HagarTheHorrible]

Twice now, I’ve been kicked from the J5 server (a couple more occasions, but unimportant).

 

I was involved with a bunch of enemy, and having a good old ding dong (22.39 GMT), I had finally been given a good pasting and had caught fire, close to the ground.  I tried to do an emergency landing and as I was about to touch down in the mud, I was disconnected.  This is the second time, in a couple of weeks, that this has happened, in pretty much exactly the same circumstances, I caught fire, about and was just about to crash land in the mud.

 

Everything looked fine at my end but maybe other people saw me warping about. ?  It was a fight involving myself, (Camel), Apachi27 (D VIIf),  1PL-Dundalk-1Esk (DVa), 1PL-Saha-1Esk (DR1).

 

The first time it happened (I was kicked two or three times that night) the ping limit had been lowered to 150 and I must have been hitting the buffers from time to time, but I thought they’d raised the ping cut off to 350. I can’t imagine my ping had dropped that low.

Edited February 29, 2020 by HagarTheHorrible

[BMA_Hellbender]

Test whether your internet connection is stable.

 

• You can test your linespeed here: https://fast.com/
  Anything under 4mbit/s is problematic.
   
• You can test the stability of your connection here: https://ping.canbeuseful.com/en#ping
  Let it run for about an hour and note the number of fails and maximum ping.
   
• You can also manually run a ping test in the command prompt: ping 8.8.8.8 -t
  Note any timeouts and ping spikes.

 

If you're having problems, first check your internal wiring: are you connected to your router by WiFi or powerline adapters? If so, try spanning a network cable instead.

 

If everything appears to be clear on your end, contact your ISP.

 

[SeaW0lf]

WiFi is a killer. I replaced my router for a Gibabit one, and my backup computer doubled the wifi band from 40 to 80Mbs. And it was not expensive (DIR-825). But of course that my computer is running on cable and runs mostly at 120mbs (internet is expensive down here).

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I've seen this happen too.  On a couple of occasions, I've lit an enemy on fire, and while waiting for them to die, I see them fly for a short while then just disappear and disconnect.

 

Weird.

[HagarTheHorrible]

I think my internet is, reasonable,  I haven’t had any issues, until the 150 max ping a couple of weeks ago (since upped, I believe) and nobody who I’ve occasionally teamed up with suggest any warping on my part.   It just strikes me as odd that I was kicked twice, in almost identical circumstances, on fire, about to attempt a forced landing in the mud, with several enemy close by with one, or more, hammering away from the rear.

[SeaW0lf]

9 minutes ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

I think my internet is, reasonable,  I haven’t had any issues, until the 150 max ping a couple of weeks ago (since upped, I believe) and nobody who I’ve occasionally teamed up with suggest any warping on my part.   It just strikes me as odd that I was kicked twice, in almost identical circumstances, on fire, about to attempt a forced landing in the mud, with several enemy close by with one, or more, hammering away from the rear.

 

Is it cable or wifi?

[HagarTheHorrible]

Cable.

 

I'll try and work through it tomorrow and see if I can come up with any issues.  It might be a rogue program working away in the background or something.

[SeaW0lf]

3 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

Cable.

 

I'll try and work through it tomorrow and see if I can come up with any issues.  It might be a rogue program working away in the background or something.

 

Not to try to put you down, but I remembered a track of yours warping badly while you were trying to shot down a Halb. I went to check it today and your bullets were all over the place but in the target, so after a while waiting I bounced it and finished the Halb for you, hence why I kept the track (in case you complained about a kill steal). For some reason the track is still here.

 

But I don't recall seeing you warping again, at least not that bad, but I imagine that in some instances your ping could be spiking high.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Ok, I've optimised my Broadband, I should have been getting about 30-40, but for some reason it was jumping to 120-200.  I've also invested in a proper router (gaming) rather than rely on the ISP version.  I've long resisted, it'll be interesting if splashing out a bit of cash does actually make any difference.  I hadn't really spotted any warping from my end so I was totally oblivious to problems.

 

Thanks for your help guys.

[Yours_truly_Ace]

Never ever...ever....ever...EVER play online games with wifi! 
Cable is twice as fast and stable. Always something interfering with wifi. 
Don't argue with me. I worked with IT in a big company and people had all sorts of connection issues / problems using skype etc. with wifi.
Problem solving: Cable!
Also on a lan party: The one guy with wifi: Always lost connection from time to another.
Wifi is evil. It's the root of all world problems! Just get a cable from your modem to your PC. And you will not have problems ever again. 
 

Edited March 10, 2020 by 127Tom

[ZachariasX]

On 3/1/2020 at 1:48 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

Ok, I've optimised my Broadband,

Get fibre should it be available. Best way to reduce ping. Increased transfer speeds are welcome as well. For me the difference to cable was significant.

 

1 hour ago, 127Tom said:

Wifi is evil.

It has it‘s purpose for iPads and lifestyle notebooks.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Fibre is a pipe dream.  I live in the countryside (No, I’m not moving ?), still stuck on first generation broadband, 5 up, 1 down, with a ping that averages somewhere in the 40’s.  While not perfect, it is manageable, although with two growing kids that might become a struggle.  I’m not entirely convinced that ADSL2 would improve my ping anyway, more bandwidth, certainly, but ping, no.  That isn’t to say that fibre has passed me by entirely, the local exchange if fibre, so even though I’m not directly connected my pings have improved dramatically (before they would have been about 150, which in the old days seemed quite acceptable ) The Scottish government promises, again and again,  to reach far flung places, the irony is that I’m not that far flung.  I’m not complaining though, it’s a darn sight better than the old dial up, an 18Mb patch for Falcon 4.0 would take over an hour, maybe 3 to download.  I’ve done all I can at this end although I’m not convinced the new “gaming” router really makes any appreciable difference, but at least the lights look pretty.  I do get fewer dropouts, generally, but that might just be to do with all the other software optimisations that I’d done anyway.

 

[Garven]

My PC has a wifi card in it that has been pretty reliable, though I do have fiber connected to the router.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

I’m not entirely convinced that ADSL2 would improve my ping anyway, more bandwidth, certainly, but ping, no.

I think it is more about your providers routers. In my case ping went down even though I live in tthe city and not much more than a stone throw away from the providers switches connecting to the backbone. Before, I had the old phone wire that went not much further than the curb next to my house. From there, it was using the providers main connections. But going fibre bypassed these installations and they had new routers and switches installed, and they do make a difference.

 

How much of a difference it can make is also visible between different fibre subscriptions. In my house, I have about 20 dark fibre connections to choose from (a tech company that was renting for some years thought they needed internet) in additon to cable and "regular" shared fibre. The regular one is about an equivalent of £50 per month (@ 1 Gbit symetrical), but dark fibre, you pay roughly £1'000 per month for the same Gbit. The upside is further reduced ping and connection speed *guaranteed* as negotiated and specified. After some arguments (it took a long time to get fibre for mere mortals and I thought I might ask for a deal on the dark fibre), I found that these are hooked up to a totally different backend, different hardware in different location. Hence they couldn't provide cable TV over these connections as it is normal for any other cable subscription.

 

ADSL, VDSL etc are just excuses for your carrier as well as your government not to not invest in your network, but make money on infrastructure they inherited basically for free. They allow the same ancient back ends.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by ZachariasX

[SeaW0lf]

Fiber is not paramount. I still have a normal cable connection (120MBs), the same cable that I had back in 2013, and I get 73MBs download and 11MBs upload to the Speedtest.net server in Seattle (where Flugpark is located). I think only the provider got better cables, but my cable to the provider (the street cable) seems to be the same old cable that I have since the 1990s? You just need to upgrade your plan. When your plan have 5MBs download and 1MBs upload, it means it can deliver these numbers to your local server, but when you are playing in a server located at the other side of the globe, the upload speed especially will get to the kbs. Then you are screwed.

 

On ROF back in 2013, I had a 5MBs connection. I got some lag playing in a server in NY (kind of around the corner from Rio de Janeiro). Then I upgraded it to 10MBs and the lag was gone. Over the years I upgraded it to 20/50/60 and Nowadays I got it to 120MBs paying almost the same 10MBs that I paid in 2014.

 

A gaming router will give you no benefit if you computer is connected to the server by cable. You might have a bad modem (the box that is connected to the cable), but a router is only necessary to transmit wifi signals to other computers in the house. If your computer is connected to the modem that the provider supplies by cable, the router is only necessary for mobiles and other computers connected through wifi. 

 

So you could call your provider and see if they can offer you something above 5MBs, preferably above 20MBs. Playing on a server in Seattle, you might have a good bottleneck in hands with those 5MBs.

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by SeaW0lf

[HagarTheHorrible]

Thanks, but 5 Mb is as good as it gets and given the circumstances I should probably be thankful I get that.  The service providers only ever promise 1 - 1.5, (just so I can”t  complain if my service degrades).  I just have to wait until the Scottish government lives up to it’s promise.  It should’ve been upgraded this year but the super fast broadband roll out, to every household, has been put back for another year (mean while Ultra fast is having government money pumped into it, before everyone even has the basic, minimum, promised, standard.  The irony is that when the local exchange went fibre, several years ago, I watched as access crept, house by house, closer and closer, each time being told “that’s as far as it goes, you’re too far away”,  eventually stopping at the cottages at the end of my track (stupidly, one half of a semi-detached house might have access while for the other it was unavailable).  I’d be happy to take the risk of it not improving my broadband and apply for an upgrade, if only to have access to more providers with better deals, as it is I pay more for a worse service, but it’s impossible to speak to someone who can make the decision.

 

Anyway, NEXT YEAR, or maybe the one after that, or the one after that, by which time, you never know, they might have discovered the cause of the invisible plane bug ?

[SeaW0lf]

Then you might hope for Starlink to succeed (and don't screw our skies).

[76SQN-FatherTed]

Hagar, one thing you might be able to do with your new router is prioritise FC over other programs.  Back when I had similar BB speed to what you're describing - and two teenage gamers in the house - I used my router to improve the Quality of Service (QoS) for IL2 46.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Just now, =CfC=FatherTed said:

Hagar, one thing you might be able to do with your new router is prioritise FC over other programs.  Back when I had similar BB speed to what you're describing - and two teenage gamers in the house - I used my router to improve the Quality of Service (QoS) for IL2 46.

Cheers,  that’s what I’ve done.  If nothing else, I’ve set the router to prioritise MY computer and provide steady pings.
 

I wouldn’t have known anything about it until a couple of weekends ago, when J5 put a 150 ping limit on, I, or the other players I occasionally team up with, noticed any obvious warping, but there you go, needs must, and with all the tinkering I’ve probably got a better multiplayer experience to boot. 

[ST_Catchov]

8 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

 

Anyway, NEXT YEAR, or maybe the one after that, or the one after that, by which time, you never know, they might have discovered the cause of the invisible plane bug ?

 

Dreamin'. Anyway, it's a good excuse when ramming SeaWolf again.