So there is no career mode in Flying Circus?

[rfoushee]

Just purchased Flying Circus and it appears the only way I can fly is to pick a quick mission - I cannot find it listed in theater of war when I try to create a career.  I have Rise of Flight and have really enjoyed it.  Though FC was a better graphics version of ROF; looks like I was wrong.

[LukeFF]

 

[Donik]

Unfortunately, no built in career mode.  You can use PWCG for a campaign which works well enough.  There is also an absolutely amazing campaign to fly:

 

[rfoushee]

I appreciate the help.  Thank you.

[gad11]

Ya, Pat Wilson's tool is great!

 

Lately I usually use Easy Mission Generator by SYN_Vander. A quick and easy tool that generates missions to you specifications. Very cool

[Blitzen]

I agree with the initial post...why not ? PWCG is a good interim solution as is the Easy Mission generator found elsewhere, but I do think the developers should at least get an easy to use in-game Campaign Generator  as well complete with stats & awards.

[No.23_Gaylion]

You could play online on the Jasta 5 server where there you can earn medals and easily track your stats. Against real people of course. 

 

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by US213_Talbot

[gad11]

On 2/29/2020 at 7:45 AM, US213_Talbot said:

You could play online on the Jasta 5 server where there you can earn medals and easily track your stats. Against real people of course. 

 

 

 

It's a great server, but sadly at night in NA, it's pretty dead. Hopefully more people get into FC so it can be populated at night

[SeaW0lf]

36 minutes ago, gad11 said:

 

It's a great server, but sadly at night in NA, it's pretty dead. Hopefully more people get into FC so it can be populated at night

 

What is "NA"?

[gad11]

5 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

What is "NA"?

 

North America

[SeaW0lf]

North America is big and has several time zones, but if you live in the east coast, you are just 5hs behind the GMT schedule, so during Sundays you can login at noon and find 70+ players on the server. That goes until 20h GMT, and in general you still get 30+ players after that. On Thursdays (today), you are on the right spot. The most populated time is the US one (8PM Eastern Time). The other day there were 50+ players. Even in LA you should get a couple hours with good numbers. And Tuesday is more of a European thing if I'm not mistaken, but you still see good numbers after 8PM Eastern Time.

 

And things are improving. It is not uncommon to see 30+ players around 18/20h GMT time.

 

You are not that bad. If you were in New Zealand or Asia it would be worse.

[No.23_Gaylion]

Its picking up man. Been about 20 most nights. Are you checking barans site by phone?

[gad11]

no. i check every night on my PC. usually down to 1-3 people at 8-9pm MST. like now it has 22 people but i'm at work. i am assuming a good portion of the folks are from the UK. hopefully more North American chaps will get FC and we can join in the fun!

[SeaW0lf]

2 hours ago, gad11 said:

no. i check every night on my PC. usually down to 1-3 people at 8-9pm MST. like now it has 22 people but i'm at work. i am assuming a good portion of the folks are from the UK. hopefully more North American chaps will get FC and we can join in the fun!

 

In a few minutes minutes the Thursday event US time will start. I think last week there were 50+ players. Perhaps at 8pm your local time you can still find 30+ players.

[ST_Catchov]

On 2/29/2020 at 3:24 AM, Blitzen said:

 

I agree with the initial post...why not ? PWCG is a good interim solution as is the Easy Mission generator found elsewhere, but I do think the developers should at least get an easy to

use in-game Campaign Generator  as well complete with stats & awards.

 

 

At the risk of repeating myself, it's a no-brainer if the devs want to attract a larger market. 

 

On 3/1/2020 at 1:45 AM, US213_Talbot said:

 

You could play online on the Jasta 5 server where there you can earn medals and easily track your stats. Against real people of course. 

 

 

Lol nice try Talbo. But I suspect many don't have the gear, time, good enough internet connection, full head of hair or interest to play MP. 

[gad11]

14 hours ago, catchov said:

Lol nice try Talbo. But I suspect many don't have the gear, time, good enough internet connection, full head of hair or interest to play MP. 

 

What extra gear do you need to play MP? 

[Wolfred]

i regret buying flying circus, hope it was better for vr hp reverb with a campaign, anyway if i can help the hardworking people making vr better, its ok pay them this way

[Dutch2]

On 4/14/2020 at 2:13 PM, Wolfred said:

i regret buying flying circus, hope it was better for vr hp reverb with a campaign, anyway if i can help the hardworking people making vr better, its ok pay them this way

 

You did get it on a 75% discount, but indeed the VR aspects of FC are not on a level we use to see in BoX. Next time Jason will give that Russian design buro Yugra media an decent VR headset so the can finally see there own design results in VR. ? 

[Wolfred]

i paid almost 600 DK for it no discount, and no problem

 

[PatrickAWlson]

PWCG has been under development for 10 years, longer than 1C's career mode.  It is a complete career mode.  It remains under constant development.  Better or worse than in game career mode is an opinion, but here are some arguments in favor of PWCG:  From a post on the PWCG forum:  

 

PWCG uses virtual waypoints.  This allows AI flights to move along their mission path without spawning.  If spawns are triggered based on one location then IMHO the world seems stale.  You always have to go to the action - it never comes to you.  No surprises.  In PWCG mission you might be in a fight when another flight comes along.  Friendly to save the day?  Enemy to finish you off?  A bomber flight that represents a new opportunity?  You don't know.  Even I don't know what my own missions will produce.

 

With PWCG 9.0.0 every mission is based on ground activity, so every mission is tied to the world.  IMHO you can feel that.  Planes don't just conveniently appear for you to shoot at.  They are doing something.

 

PWCG tracks every pilot and every airplane.  A complex human and aircraft replacement algorithm transitions replacements into a depot and then to squadrons.  Delays in replacement are explicitly coded.  The result is that temporary shortages are felt.  

 

AI pilots improve over time.  This applies to all AI pilots, not just your squadron mates.  Losing a good pilot causes him to be replaced with a raw replacement.

 

There is a world outside of your missions.   This is one of the most complex aspects of PWCG.  When you submit a combat report the whole world turns.  AI pilots not involved in the mission go through simulated activity, so they might score a victory or be killed without being in your mission.   When you go on leave the same algorithm is is used to simulate activity while you are gone.  The rate of losses has a lot of detail behind it.  Some unit types incur greater losses than others.  Inexperienced pilots are more likely to be lost than experienced ones.  Lots of data goes into this.  I have written a simulator that tells me how any pilots are lost over the course of a campaign and compared that with historical results to ensure that it is realistic.

 

PWCG has a claim system that allows you to have some control over the victories that you are awarded.  If you decide that you don't want a victory (it crashed well after contact) then just don't claim it.  You can also help out your AI mates by not claiming - PWCG will give the victory to them instead.

 

PWCG allows you to have multiple pilots active in a campaign.  Need a break from being a fighter jock, create a bomber persona and do that for awhile.  This is really useful for somebody like me that wants to do these other activities periodically but really enjoys flying one thing (in my case fighters) most.  I can take a break from my usual and do some of the other things the sim offers without committing to a full career.  You can even fly for both sides in the same career,

 

PWCG supports both cooperative and competitive multiplayer modes.  The missions are coop missions but the pilots need not be on the same side.  Therefore people can fly with or against each other in a campaign setting.

 

In the end I am algorithms guy.  Most of PWCG's best parts are behind the scenes, not up front.  That level of detail should translate into an experience that just feels right.  You should not even know why exactly, but your experience should feel like you are an active participant in a book about a WWII pilot - with you as the pilot.  

 

[Wolfgangkogler]

I am very disappointed. Flying Circus II doesn't even have a carriere mode. And I spent almost 200 euros because I thought there was one.
For me that means I get my money back because there is still no career mod.

 

[RNAS10_Oliver]

47 minutes ago, Wolfgangkogler said:

I am very disappointed. Flying Circus II doesn't even have a carriere mode. And I spent almost 200 euros because I thought there was one.
For me that means I get my money back because there is still no career mod.

 

 

There is going to be a career mode. The map and career are still in development. This module has not been "released" and is only available for "early access" so that you get access to the features as and when they are developed without needing to wait for the final "release".

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by RNAS10_Oliver

[Wolfgangkogler]

It's already 2022. On the homepage, they describe that there is a CM. So that's not true then. And is incorrect and misleading.

 

Wir haben jetzt schon 2022. Auf der Homepage beschreiben sie das es einen CM gibt. Dann stimmt das also so nicht. Und ist nicht korrekt und irreführend.

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

1 hour ago, Wolfgangkogler said:

It's already 2022. On the homepage, they describe that there is a CM. So that's not true then. And is incorrect and misleading.

 

Wir haben jetzt schon 2022. Auf der Homepage beschreiben sie das es einen CM gibt. Dann stimmt das also so nicht. Und ist nicht korrekt und irreführend.

 

It very clearly states that the product is early access.  Yes there is a ticket next to the CM, but there are ticks against all capabilities in FC2; which would mean the product is not in early release.  It's not misleading at all, nor is it incorrect, just not fully transparent.  In the world of business misleading and transparency are very different things!

 

You bought product in early access and have to wait a bit to get the map and CM.  If you want a CM now use PWCG - which is all honesty will probably provide a better experiance than the in-game career mode will!

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Most of our careers may be over by the time FC2's commences.

[ST_Catchov]

16 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

Most of our careers may be over by the time FC2's commences.

 

So if you've already retired things are looking grim.  Lawn bowls is looking attractive. For the chicks ....

 

I've always said the career will attract more players and sales which normally is a good thing for continuing development. But for it to be effective they really need to fix the sh**house AI. Otherwise it's an exercise in frustration and raised eyebrows. I'd prefer they concentrate on this and the many issues with FM and DM. You know, the nuts and bolts of a COMBAT FLIGHT SIMULATOR. I want a game where the basics work. Forget the new content with the same old same old issues. I'm not buyin' it.

 

 

 

 

[Superflyer]

Ja, ich warte jetzt auch erstmal ab auf die neuen Updates, wenn wirklich das Kraftstoffmanagement  überarbeitet ist, wenn FC.2 mit Kampagnien herauskommt. und viele andere sachen überarbeitet sind. Die Funksprüche, Funkmenü ist trotz vieler Hinweise noch nie verbessert worden, man kann verschiedenen Rotten keine verschiedenen Ziele zuweisen, das wurde schon in IL-2/ 46 besser gemacht. Im karrieremodus schafft man es kaum als Rottenflieger, die Einstellungen zu machen, schon fliegen die ersten los, man hängt ewig hinterher. IN CloD hat man erst gemeldet, das man startbereit ist, und dann gings erst los. Also es gibt viele Sachen, die schon woanders besser gemacht wurden, die man sicherlich mit geringerem Aufwand in BOX übernehmen könnte. Also wirklich bitte auch erstmal auf die Community eingehen, die Wünsche und Vorschläge und nicht immer nur neue Kampagnien und Kauf- Flufzeuge herausbringen. Trotz allem Verständniss für den Markt.

 

a, I'm waiting for the new updates first, if the fuel management is really revised when FC.2 comes out with campaigns. and many other things are revised. The radio messages, radio menu has never been improved despite many hints, you can't assign different targets to different gangs, that was already done better in IL-2/46. In career mode, you can hardly manage to make the settings as a wing pilot, the first ones are already flying off, you are always lagging behind. IN CloD, you first reported that you were ready to start, and then we started. So there are many things that have already been done better elsewhere that could certainly be transferred to BOX with less effort. So really please respond to the community first, the requests and suggestions and not always just new campaigns and commercial aircraft. Despite all understanding of the market.

[Wolfgangkogler]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:13 PM, 76SQN-Minimayhemtemp said:

 

It very clearly states that the product is early access.  Yes there is a ticket next to the CM, but there are ticks against all capabilities in FC2; which would mean the product is not in early release.  It's not misleading at all, nor is it incorrect, just not fully transparent.  In the world of business misleading and transparency are very different things!

 

You bought product in early access and have to wait a bit to get the map and CM.  If you want a CM now use PWCG - which is all honesty will probably provide a better experiance than the in-game career mode will!

 

§ Flying Circus: Volume II brings a renewed effort to recreate the WWI aerial battlefield on your PC and expand upon the work of Flying Circus: Volume I with a more diverse plane-set, a larger map and a Pilot Career mode. 

 

 

This is how the series is described. And that's not true. I don't have a problem with it not being finished yet. But if the description of the series is misleading, I have a problem. And that's why I don't think it's right.

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

5 hours ago, Wolfgangkogler said:

 

§ Flying Circus: Volume II brings a renewed effort to recreate the WWI aerial battlefield on your PC and expand upon the work of Flying Circus: Volume I with a more diverse plane-set, a larger map and a Pilot Career mode. 

 

 

This is how the series is described. And that's not true. I don't have a problem with it not being finished yet. But if the description of the series is misleading, I have a problem. And that's why I don't think it's right.

Described as it will be when it is in complete.  It's still in early access, and that is the key point.

[Wolfgangkogler]

But I don't read that anywhere. I'm just annoyed that I missed that. Good, but then that's the way it is and you shouldn't just rely on Google Translate.

 

[Guest deleted@219798]

I flew a mission escorting Halberstadts. The Halbs dumped their bombs when a couple of N28's attacked. Because they had no bombs to drop the Halbs just circled the target. Eventually our fighters had to leave. the Halbs were still there circling. This I suppose is an AI issue and happens in PWCG too. Just one of the things that has never been fixed. Mission failed of course.

[PatrickAWlson]

8 hours ago, kestrel444x500 said:

I flew a mission escorting Halberstadts. The Halbs dumped their bombs when a couple of N28's attacked. Because they had no bombs to drop the Halbs just circled the target. Eventually our fighters had to leave. the Halbs were still there circling. This I suppose is an AI issue and happens in PWCG too. Just one of the things that has never been fixed. Mission failed of course.

 

I hope not.  PWCG has the missions designed such that attackers go home once they run out of bombs.  The means to make that happen exist (on ordnance expended -> RTB) , so my guess is that there is a mission design issue and not an AI issue.

 

PWCG goes one step further.  As soon as any plane completely drops its ordnance a 30 second timer starts.  That gives other planes ion the flight 30 seconds to finish their attacks.  If they do not a trigger goes off telling them to dump their ordnance.  This was done to prevent excessive loitering over a target.

Edited March 31, 2023 by PatrickAWlson