Il2-BoS "Early Access" very expensive for a beta product.

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

The game has a very good appearance, but it seems very expensive 95$ (69 €) for only a beta product.  

Would it be possible to buy access to a plane only for 1 Dollar, or 1 Euro ?   .. for example the BF-109F.

and if not, other cheaper options

 

"Many few, do much"   
 

[LastRightsXIII]

 The game has a very good appearance, but it seems very expensive 95$ (69 €) for only a beta product.

Would it be possible to buy access to a plane only for 1 Dollar, or 1 Euro ?   .. for example the BF-109F.

and if not, other cheaper options

 

"Many few, do much"   

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2014 by LastRights13

[Rivet]

well, if we work on your preferred pricing structure, we have the 109F, the LaGG3, the Yak1, the Stuka and the Pe2 to choose from. That makes $5 in total or maybe $6 considering that the Pe2 has 2 engines.

 

So if you just want the 109F for $1 that could possibly be arranged. But then you might need the game engine and its content i.e. landscape, ground objects to shoot at, maybe some AI planes to shoot down, the virtual skies to fly in, the beautiful clouds, the quick mission builder, multiplayer and not least access to the BOS servers etc, etc.

 

Unfortunately none of the above comes free. People need paying for their labours. In fact if we take away the $5 for the planes you don't want, it brings your pricing to $90 - and let's face it, the 109 on its own isn't much use without the rest.

 

Oh and the sim is still in alpha stage - not beta 

Edited April 19, 2014 by Rivet

[Feathered_IV]

Hi Otto.  Maybe you might like to try the WW1 sim Rise of Flight which is made by the same people.  You can download it for free and get two flyable aircraft included, plus about thirty others as AI that you can unlock at about $7 each when not on sale.  I think you would enjoy it very much.

[LukeFF]

The game has a very good appearance, but it seems very expensive 95$ (69 €) for only a beta product.

Would it be possible to buy access to a plane only for 1 Dollar, or 1 Euro ?   .. for example the BF-109F.

and if not, other cheaper options

 

"Many few, do much"   

 

 

Then set aside some money every week / month until you have enough to purchase it. I'm sorry, but you're crazy if you think the team is going to sell planes for $1 each. 

Edited April 19, 2014 by LukeFF

[Finkeren]

You're not buying early access for $90. You're prepurchasing the final product, due to be released in 2014, and as an added bonus the developers are letting you experience the sim as it's being developed. The early access is completely free of charge for people who have prepuchased, the $90 price tag refers only to the completed sim.

 

We all wish that things were cheaper. Wouldn't it be great if we could all afford a nice house, a sporty car, hell even just food to eat, clothes to wear and clean water to drink? Unfortunately, that's not the World we live in (yet?). High end software development is costly, especially when you appeal to a relatively narrow market, and therefore the price of admission is gonna be high.

 

Trust me, the developers would propably love to sell each new plane for a dollar, if that was even remotely economically feasible, but they have to eat as well.

[FlatSpinMan]

Nice reply, F_IV.

Hi  Otto, when the full game comes out, buying this Alpha version will also mean you get the full retail version. Some may say tha t$95 is expensive for a game, but where I'm from, all games cost that much. And besides, flight sims are a a tiny niche genre at the moment, so it's natural to expect they'll be more expensive.

There will be a cheaper version coming out which will have fewer planes available as flyables, although they can be "unlocked" or bought separately I think. Someone correct me if I got that wrong.

[LukeFF]

And in the larger scheme of things, the cost of developing a flight simulator has gone up, just like all other software development. That 40 bucks you spent on a flight sim in the 90s is very much the equal of paying close to a hundred dollars today. 

[BeastyBaiter]

It is a little steep but you have to keep in mind that what is currently being sold is the premium edition, it's like the collector's edition for most other games. A little more content, a few perks (like early access) and so on. The base game is planned to go for the completely standard price of $60.

[Tyberan]

Is the OP kidding. Its the 777 crew from RoF, their track record is good plus its a WW2 flight sim = instant buy.

 

Plus compared to all the other big name games that have come out in the last few year, IL2BoS is the most polished game I've seen and its not even completed yet. 

[Nil]

I got my moneys worth already from this sim.. I also thought it to be a steep price, but looking at the current $ it's almost a normal price, for a normal game. But this isn't a normal game, it's a great sim!

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

And in the larger scheme of things, the cost of developing a flight simulator has gone up, just like all other software development. That 40 bucks you spent on a flight sim in the 90s is very much the equal of paying close to a hundred dollars today. 

LukeFF, I agree with that, but in the '90s, I could buy a complete and finished game, for 40 bucks. The IL2-BoS "early acces" offers me today, is an unfinished product, with the sale price of a complete software product.

 

Similar games like Warthunder (relatively speaking) offer the same level of development FREE!

 

Although Warthunder is more focused on arcade gamers, the quality of the graphics and scenarios is undeniable. ... and it's basically free, with although the hateful funding formula, pay-to-win, that is what makes virtual pilots flee to it ..

 

While there is no more economical option, I'll wait until it goes on sale, the final product IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad.

 

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Edited April 19, 2014 by III/JG52_Otto_Mas

[Johnny_Red]

LukeFF, I agree with that, but in the '90s, I could buy a complete and finished game, for 40 bucks. The IL2-BoS "early acces" offers me today, is an unfinished product, with the sale price of a complete software product.

 

Similar games like Warthunder (relatively speaking) offer the same level of development FREE!

 

Although Warthunder is more focused on arcade gamers, the quality of the graphics and scenarios is undeniable. ... and it's basically free, with although the hateful funding formula, pay-to-win, that is what makes virtual pilots flee to it ..

 

While there is no more economical option, I'll wait until it goes on sale, the final product IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad.

 

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I guess were paying for a much better community then. When I feel like a mindless hour or so of point and click arcade "fun" I turn on warthunder only to turn it off 5 minutes later due to the constant whining of 5 year olds

[TheBlackPenguin]

Otto I wish people would give up looking back into the 90's, its long gone and our demands have now dramatically increased along with the cost of development, plus I am doing so this to support 1C/777 with their new product as I have had and continue to have great experiences with ROF; the money has to be recouped somehow and Warthunder maybe "F2P", but to get anywhere its going to cost you time and potentially a lot more money than Il2: BOS without the not so hidden Pay to Win mechanics (as you so admit), and its hardly the same level of development, ugh don't get me started. Its a good arcade flight game as long as one avoids the nickel and diming, its also aimed at a different audience.

 

If you could afford BOS you'll immediately notice the differences.

 

Hopefully sometime after release there will be a sale which makes pricing more to your liking, $1 a plane just isn't going to be economically viable otherwise they would be selling it for that.

 

Anyway, wait till you see the He-111, if the Pe-2 is anything to go by it will be pretty special.

[SeaQuark]

I guess were paying for a much better community then. When I feel like a mindless hour or so of point and click arcade "fun" I turn on warthunder only to turn it off 5 minutes later due to the constant whining of 5 year olds

 

I currently just joined the ranks here after being initiated through War Thunder, but just to check, you do know about the Simulator Mode there right? And the community for that part of the forum is very active and reasonably polite overall. I only play the Simulator Mode on that game and only visit that board, as it is really a completely separate game from the other modes, where flight characteristics, engine management, and energy tactics are all relevant. No "point and click" controls are available there either.

 

IL-2: BoS looks amazing and is very promising, but the one-map free-for-alls that are currently available are very limiting. For now, WT really does offer a good teamwork-oriented multiplayer Sim experience, despite its comparative lack of simulation detail. Just my two cents.

Edited April 19, 2014 by SeaQuark

[Bando]

 

 

Anyway, wait till you see the He-111, if the Pe-2 is anything to go by it will be pretty special.

 

I'm anticipating the same. I absolutely LOVE the Peshka and I'm pretty sure the 111 is going to be very special.

 

For the OP: I understand where you're coming from. Life gets difficult these days and money is hard to come by. For you, me and for the dev's as well. They are just as human as you and I.

I hope you will give ROF a try. It's really worth it and will bring you in the flying mood. And it's free!

 

Good luck. And when you do purchase this sim (I hope one day you will) I know you won't be disappointed.

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

Hi Otto.  Maybe you might like to try the WW1 sim Rise of Flight which is made by the same people.  You can download it for free and get two flyable aircraft included, plus about thirty others as AI that you can unlock at about $7 each when not on sale.  I think you would enjoy it very much.

Hi Feathered, The financing system of the RoF, does not seem bad, and I think the RoF is a very good quality simulator .. but I don´t like to fly aircraft of the WWI, they are slow, and I so bored fly slowly in big maps...

 Another thing I like about Warthunder, is the feeling of speed in flight at low altitude. In Warthunder is very good recreated the effect of speed, ... when I flew the Bf-109E3, in WT, I can feel I'm faster than the IL2-clod, flying the same plane, at the same altitude and at the same IAS. .I dont think the miles are shorter in WT maps ..or yes?  

[arjisme]

[...] in the '90s, I could buy a complete and finished game, for 40 bucks. The IL2-BoS "early acces" offers me today, is an unfinished product, with the sale price of a complete software product.

 

 You couldn't buy a game of this fidelity and quality in the 90's for 40 bucks.  Yes, you could buy other games for that price, but all games are not the same.  Also, the "early access" is, by definition, an unfinished product.  The price is not to pay for early access, though, but to pay for the finished product ahead of its availability.  Think of it as a pre-order.  And, yeah, you certainly have the option to wait until the finished thing is ready for sale.  It will cost you slightly more than the pre-order price, but it's a choice.

 

I don't try to rationalize the price of entertainment software by the costs that go into developing such titles.  I look at the entertainment value I get (or expect to get) from it.  I assume I will enjoy flying IL-2: BOS for 2-3 years, if not many more.  If I think I might fly at least 2-3 nights a week, maybe 6-12 hours a week during those years, then I don't have any problem seeing $90 as well worth that entertainment.  Even if other games can be bought for $50 (say), I happen to be interested in the subject of this particular game and, as you already mentioned, there aren't lots of options out there for something like this software.  So, if this is something that draws me in and keeps me engaged, then I think it is well worth the money.

[LastRightsXIII]

It's a real treat to see that so many people came to answer this post in the first place. Just as you feel the price for BOS is outrageous. I think your proposal is even more outrageous.

Edited April 19, 2014 by LastRights13

[ACG_Kraut]

LukeFF, I agree with that, but in the '90s, I could buy a complete and finished game, for 40 bucks. The IL2-BoS "early acces" offers me today, is an unfinished product, with the sale price of a complete software product.

 

Similar games like Warthunder (relatively speaking) offer the same level of development FREE!

 

Although Warthunder is more focused on arcade gamers, the quality of the graphics and scenarios is undeniable. ... and it's basically free, with although the hateful funding formula, pay-to-win, that is what makes virtual pilots flee to it ..

 

While there is no more economical option, I'll wait until it goes on sale, the final product IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad.

 

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You didn't just compare Battle of Stalingrad to the "game that shall not be named"...   

 

Don't get me wrong, I play War Thunder too, my youtube channel was basically founded on it, but you simply cannot compare the two. War Thunder is utter garbage in every single category compared to Stalingrad. I have spent literally hundreds of dollars on WT and have not gotten my money's worth. Battle of Stalingrad so far has lived up to everything promised and most of my expectations and I am very pleased with what I got for what I payed and everything to come!

 

The planes are far more developed here, in FMs, DMs, graphics, and functionality. 

 

I'm sorry you missed out on the cheaper $50 early access price that was available for a limited time. Keep in mind the $95 is the premium version that includes extra planes, you will be able to purchase the standard version at launch for $60, the price of a standard AAA title, which you will play for years to come. It will be well worth it in the end. If you are skeptical, just keep an eye on development and look into getting it at launch when you know more about it.

 

 

PS War Thunder is not pay-to-win by any means. Just because you can buy a better plane, doesn't make you a good pilot. I can't tell you how many times I have shot down "pay-to-win" planes with my inferior aircraft because the other guy had no idea what he was doing...

Edited April 19, 2014 by 4./JG26_Kraut

[TJT]

I had the good fortune of getting the sim gifted to me by my old friend LLv34_Flanker (thanks again ) so I fully understand the situation economicly the op views things from. That said, while the op's original idea of price was "slightly" into the fantasy realm, not all early access games have gone for a steep price like BoS have as the only option in the prepurchase. Arma 3 had cheaper the earlier you got into the development cycle, although with several diffrent price levels also. (3 diffrent price group iirc) 

[TheBlackPenguin]

 

PS War Thunder is not pay-to-win by any means. Just because you can buy a better plane, doesn't make you a good pilot. I can't tell you how many times I have shot down "pay-to-win" planes with my inferior aircraft because the other guy had no idea what he was doing...

 

Not so much in my experience, once I bought the $20.00 version with the Typhoon I found it really dominated, but I did have an idea on what I was doing against inferior planes, although not to any major extent. Still, there are other issues with WT which makes it a fun arcade game (never found historical FRB fun either) which I think you've raised.

 

Anyway, its turning into another WT vs BOS again and they're vastly different products and WT has certainly attracted new people into flightsimming.

 

 

I had the good fortune of getting the sim gifted to me by my old friend LLv34_Flanker (thanks again ) so I fully understand the situation economicly the op views things from. That said, while the op's original idea of price was "slightly" into the fantasy realm, not all early access games have gone for a steep price like BoS have as the only option in the prepurchase. Arma 3 had cheaper the earlier you got into the development cycle, although with several diffrent price levels also. (3 diffrent price group iirc) 

 

Kerbal Space Program has been doing something similar to Arma 3, but I know with KSP you don't gain anything extra for backing early as it was missing a lot of content, each new update has increased the price a bit. I don't recall anything extra for Arma 3 early access either, so I think its following the same model, whilst BOS was actually cheaper a few months ago for premium and even less for standard without the extra planes and goodies, so its not so far different (other than the pricing being higher to begin with). Now the standard edition isn't even available and will likely be at a higher cost than those who purchased it months ago, once it goes back on sale.

[Finkeren]

I'm not even going to go into the debate about War Thunder, sufice to say that WT is not a simulator by any standard, no matter what other qualities it may possess (I personally gave up on it after 30 mins)

 

LukeFF, I agree with that, but in the '90s, I could buy a complete and finished game, for 40 bucks. The IL2-BoS "early acces" offers me today, is an unfinished product, with the sale price of a complete software product.

 

I do want to dispell this myth however. To be absolutely clear:

 

NO ONE IS PAYING $90 FOR EARLY ACCESS.

 

We have pre-purchased a game at a slightly reduced price, just as people did back in the '90s, and as an added bonus we get to play the sim, as it's in development.

 

I see this as a very positive evolution in game development, as it provides an opportunity for developers to tweak the experience in accordance with public demand, while the game is still in development, and it will serve to avoid development hell like that of BoS's unfortunate predecessor.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Finkeren

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

You didn't just compare Battle of Stalingrad to the "game that shall not be named"...   

 

Don't get me wrong, I play War Thunder too, my youtube channel was basically founded on it, but you simply cannot compare the two. War Thunder is utter garbage in every single category compared to Stalingrad. I have spent literally hundreds of dollars on WT and have not gotten my money's worth. Battle of Stalingrad so far has lived up to everything promised and most of my expectations and I am very pleased with what I got for what I payed and everything to come!

 

The planes are far more developed here, in FMs, DMs, graphics, and functionality. 

 

I'm sorry you missed out on the cheaper $50 early access price that was available for a limited time. Keep in mind the $95 is the premium version that includes extra planes, you will be able to purchase the standard version at launch for $60, the price of a standard AAA title, which you will play for years to come. It will be well worth it in the end. If you are skeptical, just keep an eye on development and look into getting it at launch when you know more about it.

 

 

PS War Thunder is not pay-to-win by any means. Just because you can buy a better plane, doesn't make you a good pilot. I can't tell you how many times I have shot down "pay-to-win" planes with my inferior aircraft because the other guy had no idea what he was doing...

Hi Kraut,:

 

I think you're exaggerating a bit, .. WT is not garbage, it has good things and bad things, like all simulation games.

 

Perfection is very difficult to achieve, .. so it seems wrong that the "early acces" of the BoS want to charge a high price in advance, promising perfection.

 

There is already the precedent of IL-2 CloD, which was released in 2011 with 300 bugs, and with a price in Spain of 85€, (117.4$) for the "Collector Edition".

 

I could buy that collector Edition for 20€,(28$) in a video game store after a few months, when 1C had already fixed the more bleeding bugs of the game, with some patchs.

 

The lowest price today is € 9.99 (13.8$), ..but Last Mar-19-2014, there was an offer on www.greenmangaming.com to download the IL2-clod for 2.5€ (3.4$), ..in this price, i think IL2-CloD is a very, very good simulator, thanks to Team Fusion which have been fixing the great majority of the congenital 300 bugs.

 

I hope that these things do not happen again.

[Rama]

The price policy has been announced and is clear, for now and for the game release.

If it's too expensive, don't buy. And there's anyway no chance the game can be played for 1$ in the near future.

 

End of this discussion.