HE-111 turret maneuverability

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Edited February 11, 2020 by Geronimo553

[PainGod85]

This is some great footage.

[E69_geramos109]

Amacing. The 111 we have on game have massive death spots and can not rotate the front cupola. The rear gunner also has very limited gun arc.

Woul be great if devs improve the model. You should send the videos to them by pm

[=KG76=flyus747]

It should also be mentioned that the Heinkel in game is missing the tail MG17 that is controlled by the dorsal turret.

[=KG76=flyus747]

On 2/11/2020 at 12:01 PM, Geronimo553 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding the A-stand...

 

This is the A stand on an H6 in IL2. You cannot really tell but I have it with the default MG15.

 

 

Now this is the A-stand for (most likely an early) Heinkel. Look closely and you'll notice that the 'bulge' is more apparent on this gondola. This is the Ikaria GD-A 1114 aka the one that can rotate because the gun mount area looks just like the one in your video. This Ikaria gondola is mentioned numerous times in the book He-111 in Action by George Punka. I've included few segments from that book to illustrate my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now look at this gondola. I don't know the name of this gondola, however, we can deduce that this is most likely a later variant of the Heinkel since the engine instruments can be see on the right side of the pilot like in the H16. Now, compare this gondola to the Ikaria GD-A 1114, you'll notice this one is not protruding as much. There is also two "flaps" on both sides of the mount. This particular mount is also much bigger (prob since this was the gondola meant for the MG FF). This is the variant that does NOT ROTATE. The MG FF, as we know, fires a heavier 20mm round and also has a lot more recoil. The amount of recoil necessitated that the gondola be bolted down hence why the He111 eventually had two different gondolas. It should be noted that I have also seen photos of this later version gondola attached with an MG131 13mm machine gun.

 

Despite the H6 being defaulted with a MG 15, the developers chose to only make 1 gondola version (you can guess which, and I am going to assume this shortcut) was done to save time and resource.

 

In short, the ingame version isn't necessarily "inaccurate" because that later version of the gondola could not rotate and the devs just chose to use that one even for the tiny MG 15. In short, the Ikaria GD-A 1114 will be best identified from the inside for having the handles from which to rotate the ball. The later variant is identified for its LACK of this feature and also having a far more pronounced "square" mount. Here is a view of the gondola from the inside that can be found from the most unlikeliest of sources: The Chronicles of Narnia (opening scene)

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by HE111H6ismissingtailMG17
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[Yogiflight]

You can't rotate the armored lens cupolas of the radio operator in the Ju 88 in game, either. And those clearly were for rotating, to increase the firing angle. And here the handles are modelled.

[E69_geramos109]

On 6/1/2020 at 9:04 AM, HE111H6ismissingtailMG17 said:

 

Despite the H6 being defaulted with a MG 15, the developers chose to only make 1 gondola version (you can guess which) to save time and resource.

 

Interesting they made two  turrets  for the P2 87 series to save time and resources as well XD