J99_Sizzlorr Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 In Rise of Flight you could dive out the flames if you were unfortunate and recieved a burning engine. Is it possible in FC as well?
1PL-Lucas-1Esk Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 I have not succeed that in FC (although I did in RoF in the times when catching fire was more common)
US213_Talbot Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) I think someone made a video out of it one time... Edited February 6, 2020 by US213_Talbot 2 1
J5_Gamecock Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) I'm thinking only the Spad and maybe Pfalz could dive fast enough to extinguish the flames. In ROF you could do it in almost any plane. Edited February 6, 2020 by J5_Gamecock
HagarTheHorrible Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 I've managed to put out the flames. It was a bit of a dive though and I was still ultimately killed crashing into terra firma. 1
Chill31 Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 It should not be possible. These planes are literally made of the kinds of things you would like to have handy if you were trying to start a fire... Anyone have an account of a pilot diving and putting out the fire? 1
US213_Talbot Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Richard Phelan of 213th aero survived one. Edited February 10, 2020 by US213_Talbot
JG1_Vonrd Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chill31 said: It should not be possible. These planes are literally made of the kinds of things you would like to have handy if you were trying to start a fire... Yeah... they used cotton covering and (I'm pretty sure) Nitrate dope (nitrocellulose)... the same thing ping pong balls were made of... ever lit one on fire? It burns like Beelzebub's balls.
unreasonable Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 The 1948 US Ballistics Lab report on the effects of incendiaries (a800109) remarks that: "It has been observed that a fire, whose source is exposed to the slip stream, is extinguished if the speed of the aircraft exceeds 110 miles per hour. [161 kph]" I cannot find the source the report quotes. So it could be possible in many planes to blow out the fire on surfaces. If a holed fuel tank, broken fuel line or internal area adjacent to either is on fire, however, high speed will only blow out the fire spreading on outside surfaces. It looks as though Lt Phelan was lucky: presumably the explosion vented all of the fuel into the air so the fire was not being refueled.
No.23_Triggers Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chill31 said: Anyone have an account of a pilot diving and putting out the fire? Lt. Phelan of the (real) 213th Aero Squadron, check out the account that Talby posted above....amazing! I believe Cecil Lewis' plane also caught fire...don't think he dived it out though, think he just got very, very lucky and the fire quickly went out by itself ...on the subject of flamers, I remember Arthur G. Lee mention in his book that he once had his petrol tank shot through and was certain that he was going to die in a fireball until he reached terra firma...wonder what FC would be like if fuel leaks could develop into flames...? Edited February 10, 2020 by US93_Larner
unreasonable Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Note that the tank exploded because it was low on fuel. An air-rich fuel-air mixture being required for an explosion: a fullish tank will almost never explode, but supply more liquid fuel for burning. I have no idea if FC [or BoX] models that specifically.
SCG_Wulfe Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 If you have the altitude it's not that hard. I do it quite often. Steep dive, full rudder... dive and hold rudder until it goes out. 1
ZachariasX Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 17 hours ago, US93_Larner said: I believe Cecil Lewis' plane also caught fire...don't think he dived it out though, think he just got very, very lucky and the fire quickly went out by itself My memories of that year at Rochford are crowded. Something always seemed to be happening. It was while I was there that the R.F.C. and the R.N.A.S. merged into the Royal Air Force, and we all preened ourselves in beautiful new blue uniforms. It was here I did my first gas-mask drill, walking about in a room full of chlorine, trying to pretend it was fun. It was here my Pup caught fire in the air, the most terrifying moment in all my flying experience. Luckily it went out. From „Sagitarius Rising“. He was more than just lucky. Doped tissue burns very well. Here, another description of what fire can do. Certainly while diving in some way: Our squadron, 152, had a sister, 151. This was commanded by “ Flossie ” Brand, a very gallant and devout officer, who was afterwards knighted for his trip to the Cape. It was Flossie whom I met one day with no eyebrows, and when I commented on his singular appearance, he told me (in his modest smiling way) that he had shot down a Hun which had caught fire. The flames from the machine had singed him. I leave the reader to imagine how close Flossie must have been to that machine.
No.23_Triggers Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 That's the one! Both standout quotes there!
1PL-Lucas-1Esk Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 American pilot (and film producer) Merian Cooper survived the fire in his DH4. He was serving in the US 201st squadron during the WW1 when they were attacked by the D.VII's. The German pilots knew that the tank in the 'Liberty' is between the pilot and the observer, so they were often aiming there causing fires. Cooper's plane also caught it, but he made it safe to the ground, however he was taken prisoner and his flesh on the hands was slightly burnt.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) Yesterday at flugpark J5 during multiplayer mission I was flamer after Halberstad two seater set my Camel engine on fire , dived head down with full rudder and extinguish the fire . Now I can say I was baptised by fire :)) Edited February 24, 2020 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk 1 1
Goffik Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 3:44 AM, US93_Larner said: wonder what FC would be like if fuel leaks could develop into flames...? Is this definitely not modelled? I forget what Russian plane it was, but in BoX I hit the wing and it started pouring white mist. Shortly after I hit the same spot again (fluke) and the wing burst into flames, the white mist becoming black smoke instead. Granted it was BoX not FC, but I would think the features of one carry over to the other?
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Goffik said: Is this definitely not modelled? I forget what Russian plane it was, but in BoX I hit the wing and it started pouring white mist. Shortly after I hit the same spot again (fluke) and the wing burst into flames, the white mist becoming black smoke instead. Granted it was BoX not FC, but I would think the features of one carry over to the other? No it's not. You can't ignate gas vapor, i don't know how probability of fire is raising or if when you hit engine which is leaking oil or wing tank which is leaking fuel. What I read , ww1 pilot in case of fuel leak immediately turned engine and petrol off to avoid fire , I don't know if they do it because of fear of developing fire based on reasonable precaution? 1
No.23_Triggers Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Goffik said: Is this definitely not modelled? I forget what Russian plane it was, but in BoX I hit the wing and it started pouring white mist. Shortly after I hit the same spot again (fluke) and the wing burst into flames, the white mist becoming black smoke instead. Granted it was BoX not FC, but I would think the features of one carry over to the other? I think fuel leaks increase chances of fire, but I mean more along the lines of being fuelled essentially being a "time bomb"....once you have your tank shot through, the leak could ignite itself if ignored... ...would definitely change some things! Edit: Like Husar said above! Edited February 24, 2020 by US93_Larner
J99_Sizzlorr Posted February 24, 2020 Author Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, US93_Larner said: I think fuel leaks increase chances of fire, but I mean more along the lines of being fuelled essentially being a "time bomb"....once you have your tank shot through, the leak could ignite itself if ignored... Lower fueltank increases the chances of beeing flamed. Because with lower fuel in the tank there is more space for highly inflammable fumes to arise. This was also the case in RoF. Not sure if fuel leaks also contribute to chances beeing flamed. But I never had a fuel leak develop into flames by it's own. Edited February 24, 2020 by J99_Sizzlorr 1
HagarTheHorrible Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 Is there a difference in susceptibility to flaming between aircraft or are they all created equal ? In the QMB, when fighting SE5a’s, they seem to catch fire with some frequency and my A.I opponents normally start with full tanks. I don’t see that any flamers online, I don’t know why.
No.23_Starling Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 My advice is not to smoke in your cockpit. Even if it is open
J99_Sizzlorr Posted February 25, 2020 Author Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 9:39 PM, No56_Waggaz said: My advice is not to smoke in your cockpit. Even if it is open What about vaporizing? 1
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