Trimming Sensitivity

[=IRFC=TALLY]

I'm using the TM t.16000 HOTAS. I have the hat switch set to manipulate the A/C's trim (elevator/rudder).

In the P-51D:  One click moves the Trim approximately 10% for elevator; and 5% for rudder.

 

IS THERE ANY WAY TO REDUCE THESE A BIT?

[Jade_Monkey]

That is very strange. Are you using some intermediary software? or directly mapping in game?

[56RAF_Cina]

7 hours ago, 90th_TALLY said:

I'm using the TM t.16000 HOTAS. I have the hat switch set to manipulate the A/C's trim (elevator/rudder).

In the P-51D:  One click moves the Trim approximately 10% for elevator; and 5% for rudder.

 

Same here. I'm not using any intermediary software, just direct mapping in game and a single hat press changes the trim by a couple of percentages. My sim gear in signature.

[=IRFC=TALLY]

No intermediary software.  just direct mapping.

I do notice that the % change isn't consistent as it is either greater or smaller by 1-2% each time.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by 90th_TALLY

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

its based on duration of press if you hold it down it scrolls faster on some plane than a quick tap. 

i keep all trims on keyboard for this reason

 

[S10JlAbraxis]

The elevator trim as it is definitely not working correctly.  This also applies to rudder and aileron trim but I limited the tests below to elevator trim. 

 

I have trim mapped to a 4 way hat on my Virpil stick.  It is directly mapped with no intermediate software.  Even if I execute the trim command directly on my keyboard I get the same results so the issue is not with my stick.  Finally I have a very fast computer and top quality mechanical Corsair keyboard  so that is not the issue.  If it makes a difference my 4K G-Sync enabled monitor runs at 144 FPS consistently with a rare drop to 120 and has a 1 MS response time.

 

I tested 3 different aircraft with very different results:

 

1) P 51 with trim wheel - Almost unusable - even a very quick touch on the hat causes between 4 - 10 percent movement in the trim wheel.  It is a major pain to trim this aircraft out and even after many hat press random results I rarely get trim exactly where I need it.  I finally give up and use auto level which I really dislike as it is not realistic.

 

2) Fw 190 A8 with trim button - This is somewhat better then the P 51 but still even the briefest touch will move the trim adjustment between 2 and 6 percent which is still unacceptable. 

 

3) Bf 109 K4 with trim wheel - Works perfectly as I can easy move the trim wheel in 1 percent increments as well as reliably move it more quickly when needed.  It is a joy to trim this aircraft out.

 

I did try mapping the P 51 trim to a wheel (axis) on my throttle and (no surprise) it works perfectly in 1 percent incriminates.  Unfortunately I do not have a free axis to map my elevator trim to on a regular basis. 

 

So the trim issue seems to be limited to mapping to a hat or using the keyboard commands for certain aircraft.  So my question is why not just use the code written for the BF 109 K4 on all aircraft?  I am hoping this is a bug and will eventually be fixed as I can think of no rational explanation for purposefully programming trim controls this way. 

 

[=IRFC=TALLY]

Possibly its that HAT SWITCH but it shouldn't be.  I use the A2A T6 in P3D and the trim moves very slow even if the hat switch is depressed continuously making trimming easy comparatively.

[Guest deleted@50488]

For me it's the yaw trim at least that is indeed over sensitive on the P51d-

 

Maybe the devs could fine tune it - sometimes there's a significative yaw bounce that would have consequences for sure IRL...

[Lusekofte]

I use trim on honeycomb yoke and find all trim overly sensitive in techchat and planes reaction. 
But looking at the animation of the trimwheel itself it looks ok for some reason

[chris455]

Best way to handle trim is  the Saitek Cessna trim wheel. Very high fidelity and fine resolution, provided you can find one.

Edited February 16, 2020 by chris455

[vino]

3 hours ago, chris455 said:

Best way to handle trim is  the Saitek Cessna trim wheel. Very high fidelity and fine resolution, provided you can find one.

I have one, but I’ve not managed to make it work with this sim...

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, vino said:

I have one, but I’ve not managed to make it work with this sim...

It works, but you have to turn quite a while, when you want to assign it in the setup, and sometimes you first have to delete the old key, assigned for this trim, to make the trim wheel get recognized. And when you start your first mission after you started your PC, you have to turn four or five times, until it gets recognized by the game. You hear it with the Windows signal for connecting a new advice.

[THERION]

3 hours ago, vino said:

I have one, but I’ve not managed to make it work with this sim...

 

I've got one and it works in this sim - but actually only (at least chez moi!) for BF109s.

 

The problem with this Saitek Cessna trim whell is, because of the high resolution of it, you have to move that wheel

very fast and a long way to make it recognized by the game's axis assignment. But once it's been recognized, it's OK

and quite precise.

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, -=-THERION said:

I've got one and it works in this sim - but actually only (at least chez moi!) for BF109s.

Mine works for all aircrafts, but I think I remember having had some issues first, too. But after deleting the originally assigned keys, I got it working for elevator trim, too.