Flying Circus Vol 2 plane ideas

[Hohenadler]

Hello everybody, 

I am an avid ROF player however, when FC vol 2 comes out I would be willing to switch if any of these planes become available for FC:

Ansaldo A.1 Balilla

Sopwith Snipe

Sopwith Dragon 

Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard

Henriot HD.6

Bristol M1

Packard-Le Pere LUSAC-11 

Junkers J8 throught J10.

It would be cool if they could create a realistic flight model for the Junkers metal aircraft. These were the first airplanes  with cantilever monoplane wings and all metal construction.

 

 

http://www.hugojunkers.bplaced.net/junkers-j8.html

 

 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Hohenadler
Link to Junkers aircraft info

[Zooropa_Fly]

Regretably it's highly unlikely we're getting anything that isn't in RoF. 

 

What FC2 needs imo is :

DXII 

GOTHA

HP

SOMETHING ENTENTE THAT TURNS

2 SEATER / SIDE

ANOTHER 2 FIGHTERS. 

[Cynic_Al]

6 hours ago, Hohenadler said:

when FC vol 2 comes out

 

That's all we need - a clairvoyant.

[Feathered_IV]

From the RoF stable, the Re.8 and DFW are a must.  Killing the enemy's observation aircraft while ensuring the safe passage of your own was what 90% of the war in the air was about. 

If all-new aircraft were to appear, I would say a mid war BE2e and Albatros C.III would be ideal to span the longest period of the war.

 

Flying Circus is my favourite chapter in the BoX series so far, but its a pretty half-arsed effort without any real recon and artillery observation aircraft to speak of.

 

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Yes, FC is out of historical context really now. Corps aircrafts were most important.  With attitude that jobs must be done they send many times aircrafts behind enemy lines without any protection from scouts or use other two seaters for protection (in time of BA there were many flight of Fe2s pushers escorted by Be2s against albatrosses) , they know there gonna be casualties but also know  that German aircraft can't be everywhere and in the end bulk aircraft would success. 

[BMA_Hellbender]

9 hours ago, Hohenadler said:

Henriot HD.6

 

Seriously, you had me all excited. I think you mean the Hanriot HD.3, though.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanriot_HD.3

 

We're more likely to get the existing Hanriot HD.1. 

 

Or even more likely: the Hanriot HD.0.

 

 

7 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Regretably it's highly unlikely we're getting anything that isn't in RoF. 

 

What FC2 needs imo is :

DXII 

GOTHA

HP

SOMETHING ENTENTE THAT TURNS

2 SEATER / SIDE

ANOTHER 2 FIGHTERS. 

 

Gotha and HP collector planes at 20 bucks a pop.

 

Definitely need Breguet, DFW and French sector map.

 

Fighters... tough. Pfalz D.XII and Noop 28 would be nice, not essential. No one is waiting on a D.VIII.

 

I'd rather see an Alb D.III, N17, SPAD 7, Strutter (+ Strutter B) and Roland, just in case FC2 is the last volume.

 

That's if FC1 isn't the last volume.

[Dutch2]

Lets start first to release every plane that is in RoF, yep also the S22. 

For making money on this game guess you can not deny the uberplanes like SiemensDIV and the Snipe as collector planes

 

But first: Improve that ridiculous no mans land as its now 2020 and not 2003 any more and only destroyed houses at the frontline. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Dutch2

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, Dutch2 said:

But first: Improve that ridiculous no mans land as its now 2020 and not 2003 any more and only destroyed houses at the frontline. 

 

NML and ground textures are quite good looking by 2003 standards, which was the era of big budget Flight Simulator 2004 / IL-2 Forgotten Battles and niche WWI Red Baron 3D (still).

 

RB3D:

 

FS2004:

 

IL-2 FB:

 

IL-2 GB: (it could use some crater bump mapping, but otherwise it looks detailed enough and runs exceptionally smooth even for ground attack)

 

 

 

 

Give it another 15 years and it will look as good as a mainstream sim with unlimited budget does now (and which runs like crap on today's hardware):

 

 

[Zooropa_Fly]

One should look at the IL2 dbw ww1 (mod) front for a better idea of what's possible. It had more atmosphere than than the RoF or FC one. 

 

Back to the planes.. 

DVIII I'd definitely have in FC2 added to my list above. 

A set of older planes would be great, but realistically, if the next module is another RoF port as planned , there's no point in bringing the oldest ones over yet. There's not enough of them.

 FC2 would be best as a logical expansion of FC1, i.e. providing a continuous time frame. 

Then FC3 can go back to 1915, the 4-5 oldest RoF crates plus 3-4 new creations, if the devs are in a good ww1 mood by then

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Zooropa_Fly

[Trooper117]

It's been said before... we need two seaters that are already in RoF brought into the game for the next version of FC...

[JG1_Etzel]

In my opinion it's absolutely Ok to dream about any new planes that were not even on any roadmap in RoF, but according to the actual more than unclear future for FC I think there is no chance that even a Gotha or HP will be find it's way to FC within the next months... so I I'd rather prefer to wish for something that sounds more realstic to me:

Please let's start with 2 packages 1st one with another 2-seater for each side and 2nd one with another Figher for both:

So please give us:

• Re.8 + DVW

and

• Neuiport 17 + Alb.II (or maybe Alb.III)

I think that set of planes should be on the save side as I would expect porting them from RoF to FC should be doable with reasonable efforts.

And they would bring a diversification to planeset that already allows for plenty of new scenario settings and plane combinations in the missions, as timewise they cover a relatively broad area of the War and still are  combinable with planes of the existing plane set... 

 

 

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

FC2 would be best as a logical expansion of FC1, i.e. providing a continuous time frame.

 

Except then absolutely no one will buy it except for us.

 

FC1 was clearly the All-Stars: Camel, Dr.I (even my wife knows these), S.E.5a, SPAD, D.VII... Bristol... Pfalz...... Halberstadt, yaaaay!

 

If FC2 tries to fill in the 1918 gaps, then we'll have the D.VIII, D.XII, Nieuport 28, Hanriot HD.1 and... some two-seaters? None of these planes are really well-known. Plus we'll need the French, American and Belgian sector maps.

 

 

If instead they give us Bloody April, at least most IL-2 GB players will have heard of the Nieuport 17, Sopwith Pup, Sopwith Strutter and the Albatros D.III and... D.II, I guess?. They can put MvR's red Alby back on the cover. Plus they can reuse the map and simply give us an Arras Spring 1917 map with a slightly changed front line.

 

You have to think of the low-hanging fruit. And then, if at all possible, go lower still.

[Zooropa_Fly]

I was actually hoping for a Pup and / or Tripe (the old one.. shhh) in FC2.

I know they're early to be considered late war, but one of these would give Entente something to dogfight with, outwith the Camel.

Obviously I'm thinking of Big Mac & Fries type action.

And who wouldn't like to fly a performing Tripe again

 

[SeaW0lf]

Yes, it would not make sense otherwise. Nieuport 17 and Pup, Spad 7, Albies and the whole shenanigans (Gothas?). The old model of the Tripehound has to be there in my opinion, even as a collectible. She's too vintage and good looking to be out. The old flight model is one of the best as well. Bring back the old Tripe vs Albatros duels. Otherwise it would not make sense either. It would be the same as to release BoBP or BoN without the P-38. 

 

Perhaps Bloody April 1 and 2 ?

 

An extension of FC1 would require the Snipe and some new planes to be marketable in my view, which won't happen.

[CB77Don246]

Ok I am no expert at how  flight sims work but surely it can't be that much of a problem to take a aircraft from ROF and transfer it to FC for the development team and then they charge us for it, the two sims are so much alike.

Maybe someone can shoot me down and say it is a big job I don't know, one thing I do know and I have all ROF content and FC and ok FC is the better sim BUT ROF still has a lot to offer just look at the channel map probably in my opinion the best offering of Dover in any sim today including X-plane and P3D, WOFF, ect.

[Hoots]

Always makes me chuckle when someone says they’re not an expert but then says something that they don’t know about can’t be hard. Do you really think they would pass up a way to make some more revenue if it was easy? Or wouldn’t take long? Just because the visual look is somewhat similar doesn’t mean they’re interchangeable. They’ve explained all this before. 

[CB77Don246]

Well I am glad I have made someone happy and it makes you chuckle, for me I have to get out sometime so I do not read ALL the posting as you say they've explained all this before.

For me it's a case of the Emperor's new clothes.

[Hoots]

Nah you don’t have to read them all. But generally, commenting on how easy something must be when you’re talking about an application with hundreds of thousands of lines of code, that you have no knowledge about, is probably worth a second thought. If you think they’re lying or “emperor’s new clothes” that’s up to you but don’t pretend you’re taking that stance on anything approaching fact. 

[J2_Oelmann]

Judging the IL2 series allways has a battle in the Name, "IL2 Bloody April" with all appropiate planes and an expanded map should be next.

Together different seasons textures, they could give us a choice of two or three frontlines.

 

I muss the camera feature of ROF aswell....

Edited January 31, 2020 by J2_Oelmann

[JG1_Butzzell]

S!

 

my turn.

 

FC Vol 2 "The battle of Verdun"  ( new map )

 

DH2, N-11, N-17, Pup, Tripe, SPAD 7, RE8,    Fok E3, Halb D2, Alb D2, Alb D3, DFW and Roland Cl.2.

 

 

 

This gives enough basic planes to cover the time line of the war.

[Hohenadler]

 

9 hours ago, J5_Hellbender-Sch27b said:

 

Seriously, you had me all excited. I think you mean the Hanriot HD.3, though.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanriot_HD.3

 

 

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=2074

[Trooper117]

HD 6, waste of time... was still in development when the war ended.

Edited January 31, 2020 by Trooper117

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

Which aircraft will come next is perennial speculation. If it included the old RoF aircraft and no more, that would still be a great addition. Beyond that, I'd like to see more 2-seaters and some of the later Nieuports - 24, 27, 28.

[Hohenadler]

5 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

HD 6, waste of time... was still in development when the war ended.

Still, it would be pretty cool for those who find the evolution of military aviation design intriguing and would like to take a realistic interactive  virtual journey through military aviation throught WWII. But that would definitely be more niche than WWI. Who knows, it possibly could spur more interest in history. They say those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Hohenadler

[Trooper117]

If the dev's decided to do it, they would be doomed to bugger up FC2, lol!

[Dornil]

On 1/31/2020 at 4:54 AM, Zooropa_Fly said:

SOMETHING ENTENTE THAT TURNS

So Camel doesn't turn well enough for you?!!

[1PL-Lucas-1Esk]

I'd release some collector planes for the FC1:

- Fokker D.VIII

- Pfalz D.XII

- D.H.4

- R.E.8

 

Then I would go with the Verdun map to introduce more French planes and cover the 1916-1917:

- Nieuport 11

- Nieuport 17

- SPAD 7 150 and 180HP

- Breguet 14

 

German set:

- Halberstadt D.II

- Albatros D.II

- Albatros D.III

- DFW C.V

 

Extra planes:

- Nieuport 28 (for the US squadrons and some 1918 missions)

- Roland C

[J5_Adam]

Here’s a starter list of aircraft I’d like to see in FC. Ignore the 1/32 scale lol

Edited February 2, 2020 by Adam

[SeaW0lf]

6 hours ago, Adam said:

Here’s a starter list of aircraft I’d like to see in FC. Ignore the 1/32 scale lol

 

Nah... There is no Nieuports! ??? 

[J5_Gamecock]

1 hour ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

Nah... There is no Nieuports! ??? 

well... he did say STARTER list. 

[SeaW0lf]

Just joking. Wingnuts I think had this policy to mostly release models that weren't available at the 1/32 scale (as far as I have been told). Hence why people believed that the Fokker Dr1 would never be released, since Roden has some models (it took too long). I never bought a Wingnut model (I have a Roden Fokker F1 that I will never assemble for lack of time), but it is good to see the legends being represented in the latest generation of kits.

 

 

 

[Voidhunger]

On 1/31/2020 at 9:54 AM, J5_Hellbender said:

No one is waiting on a D.VIII

ehm ehm you are wrong?

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

7 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

ehm ehm you are wrong?

 

Simple typo (I'm always having to correct his punctuation).

 

What he meant to type was, "No, one is waiting on the D.VIII."

 

Obviously, he was referring to you!

[Voidhunger]

1 hour ago, J5_Baeumer said:

 

Simple typo (I'm always having to correct his punctuation).

 

What he meant to type was, "No, one is waiting on the D.VIII."

 

Obviously, he was referring to you!

 

Its gorgeous little plane and together with the Pfalz DXII its a must have for volume 2.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I would want see more of engine types and airscrews for current plane set as addition to any new aeroplanes. 

[J2_Trupobaw]

 

[BMA_Hellbender]

11 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

Its gorgeous little plane and together with the Pfalz DXII its a must have for volume 2.

 

I would love to see the Pfalz D.XII, Fokker D.VIII, Nieuport 28 and Hanriot HD.1 as a "late war collector pack" of sorts, but it's not going to move enough copies for an FC2.

 

Unless you're buying us all a copy, maybe?

[Voidhunger]

1 hour ago, J5_Hellbender said:

 

I would love to see the Pfalz D.XII, Fokker D.VIII, Nieuport 28 and Hanriot HD.1 as a "late war collector pack" of sorts, but it's not going to move enough copies for an FC2.

 

Unless you're buying us all a copy, maybe?

hmm i think, it will be better to increase number of mid/late war planes we have and not repeat same mistake as with ROF.

As far as I know ROF was meant to be late war simulator until some people complained that they want early stuff. 

Vol.2 with early/mid planes is a mistake imho.

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, Voidhunger said:

hmm i think, it will be better to increase number of mid/late war planes we have and not repeat same mistake as with ROF.

As far as I know ROF was meant to be late war simulator until some people complained that they want early stuff. 

Vol.2 with early/mid planes is a mistake imho.

 

That's an interesting take, and I don't disagree (entirely).

 

If Vol. 2 could be late war and also included two brand new planes, such as the Sopwith Snipe and Siemens-Schuckert D.IV, I bet that it would sell well and even convince some RoF holdouts to come over. I mean, new content is new content. For the moment I think the chance of that happening is very slim, even slimmer than the chance of FC2 happening at all, and early/mid war is a safer bet.

[1PL-Lucas-1Esk]

1 hour ago, Voidhunger said:

hmm i think, it will be better to increase number of mid/late war planes we have and not repeat same mistake as with ROF.

As far as I know ROF was meant to be late war simulator until some people complained that they want early stuff. 

Vol.2 with early/mid planes is a mistake imho.

 

This is very true. I remember the NEOQB showing some early sketches of the campaign characters for RoF which was supposed to be dedicated to the American units. Note that the early in-game skins for the German planes were also for the J64 and J65 which were operating in the Metz area. I think that RoF initially was supposed to cover late 1917-1918 period. So, that's why we had Alb D.III (OAW), Pflaz D.IIIa (I swear that on the first loading screens there was a D.III, too!) and other stuff. When Jason took the lead, the team started working on the early planes.