So.. what about carreer mode and / or scripted campaign..

[Guest deleted@50488]

I almost never even tried to play it. I confess it kind of irritates me to see all that information presented as I once tried to enter a Carreer and was given newspapers to read and take notice of the state os affairs in the war front... Wanted something more directed to going staright into action, in small episodes. 

 

How can you motivate a guy like me, who only plays online for a while and only buys scripted campaigns to support the game, playing a carreer ? Or even a simple scripted campaign ?

 

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by jcomm-il2

[[DBS]Browning]

I'm not sure what you are after here. Would you like me to threaten to burn your house down if you don't play career? 

[Feathered_IV]

36 minutes ago, jcomm-il2 said:

I confess it kind of irritates me to see all that information presented as I once tried to enter a Carreer and was give newspapers to read and take notice of the state os affairs in the war front... Wanted something more directed to going staright into action, in small episodes. 

 

Don't read it if does not interest you.  The newspapers don't interest me either so I never pay them any heed.  If you want to go straight into action I would suggest QMB.  However if you want to rise through the ranks, earn a command and shepherd your individual pilots to turn them from novices into aces, then the Career mode is for you.

[dburne]

You really don't have to read much of anything if you do not want to.

It does not take that much effort to get your mission going in Career. 

 

[Huug]

Except for the newspaper you mention (and which you can just ignore if you choose to), the career mode works almost the same as a scripted campaign which you apparently do like to play, so I fail to understand the problem.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Huug

[MasserME262]

4 hours ago, jcomm-il2 said:

Wanted something more directed to going staright into action, in small episodes. 

you are exactly describing what a Scripted Campaign is, basically.

 

IDK if you are more into soviet or german, but if you like german things, the "official" Fortress on the Volga, and Ten days of Autumn are great. Yes, you dont have straight into action situations, but you don't fly 5 days before reaching an enemy, those SC totally worth it. 

 

Actually, by reading your post, IDK if you just bought them or if you played them also. If you didn't, do it (play all the missions!. The first 2 are always "boring", doesn't have that much of action that is what you want).

 

Also I like "Lions of Kalinin" SC (user-made), if you like the idea of jabo-ing with a E7, where you find action quite quickly during battles.

 

And... "Pitomnik Platzschutzstaffel campaign" is gold too. You basically take part of the defense of Pitomnik near it's demise (defending the "pocket" at Stalingrad), so you expect the soviet front-line near you and exciting missions.

 

I have no idea about soviet SCs, except for Sea Dragons, but you need to fly some time before action in there.

 

Just my (not even) 2 cents.

[jeanba]

The Bobp careers simply do not work for me:

- I tried 2 fighter bombers career : with Spit and with P38, the attackers are seldom escorted, they systematically meet ennemy fighters over the target, they are most of the time outnumbered, and most of the time, the ennemies chase you to your airfield without any help from your wingmen.

And this is nearly always the same, only the target changes.

I have a 262 campaign which is the same (but at least, it is logical that the Luftwaffe is outnumbered)

 

 

I had a pleasant Lag3 career over Stalingrad, though the enemy chasing you up to your airfield still exists. I think you would like them as the missions are usually relativly short.

I feel that BoK careers lead to longer missions (escecially medium bombers)

Anyway, be carefull when you create your campaign to choose an airfield close to the front, this is very important for boK.

 

At the moment, I avoid careers, I enjoy much more the PWCG careers (well not now as my joystick just broke 2 days ago  ), but the time to action may be a little long for you (given what you wrote)

Then you have a lot of nice scripted campaigns, such as juri's or veteran's campaigns, for instance.

On the soviet side Ivan's War may suit you : fast action ...

Edited January 29, 2020 by jeanba

[dburne]

2 hours ago, jeanba said:

The Bobp careers simply do not work for me:

- I tried 2 fighter bombers career : with Spit and with P38, the attackers are seldom escorted, they systematically meet ennemy fighters over the target, they are most of the time outnumbered, and most of the time, the ennemies chase you to your airfield without any help from your wingmen.

 

 

 

Yeah I am running into that a lot  as well in my Bodenplatte Spit Mk IX Career.

Quite often we get back to base and the AI have started their landing approach routine and there I am outnumbered/outgunned by a flight or two of enemy AI.

I never seen them on the big map anywhere close till we are setting up to land, then boom there they are.

[jeanba]

6 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah I am running into that a lot  as well in my Bodenplatte Spit Mk IX Career.

Quite often we get back to base and the AI have started their landing approach routine and there I am outnumbered/outgunned by a flight or two of enemy AI.

I never seen them on the big map anywhere close till we are setting up to land, then boom there they are.

Exactly !

I checked with "icon on" and they are usually chasing you from the "target area".

And the allied AI does not help you, and the AAA does not fire (but this is logical given that friendly planes are around)

Honnestly, I don't meet the problem anymore because I gave up !

Edited January 29, 2020 by jeanba

[Yogiflight]

3 hours ago, jeanba said:

I have a 262 campaign which is the same (but at least, it is logical that the Luftwaffe is outnumbered)

 

I also started a 262 career some time ago, but we always had fighter cover by some A8s. Unfortunately my squamates always decided it would be a good idea to turn with Spits. Bloody scrubs. 

In A8 careers I usually end up flying back to base alone, because my squamates did ... yes, of course, turn with the Spits

But I never got chased back to my base, not a single time.

[PatrickAWlson]

9 hours ago, jcomm-il2 said:

I almost never even tried to play it. I confess it kind of irritates me to see all that information presented as I once tried to enter a Carreer and was given newspapers to read and take notice of the state os affairs in the war front... Wanted something more directed to going staright into action, in small episodes. 

 

How can you motivate a guy like me, who only plays online for a while and only buys scripted campaigns to support the game, playing a carreer ? Or even a simple scripted campaign ?

 

 

 

Rather than motivate you to play whats's there the question is what do you want?  Then we can try to direct you to the thing that best matches.

Is a historical setting important?

Is persistence over time important?  What aspects - i.e. what do you want to see persisted and what do you not care about?

Do you want history to change or not to change?  At what level: macro or micro?  Can the Germans win the war based on your actions?

How long do you want the story to last?  A few days?  A couple of months?  The whole war?

Do you want to see your pilot progress in ranks and awards?

 

If you just want to fly and shoot then QMB is the best answer.

For short stories a scripted campaign is probably best.

For long stories a career is best.  Both PWCG and Career mode offer things that you might not care about but you can also ignore them.

 

Things that do not exist today (that I am aware of anyway)

A dynamic campaign where the war can be won or lost based on your actions.

A career mode that provides fast action. 

PWCG does have air starts to get you closer.  PWCG also allows you to stop a mission at anytime without penalty.  Therefore you can start in the air, find some action, and quit.  This is still not instant warp to action but it is closer.  Not sure what Career Mode offers.  

Scripted campaigns are going to be as the mission designer made them.  Missions might be long or short.

 

[danielprates]

8 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

and shepherd your individual pilots to turn them from novices into aces

 

(cough) or kill them at an alarming rate. It's what usually happens to me anyway. 

[Guest deleted@50488]

Thank you all for your contributions.

 

I will surely opt for the QMB and some of the scripted caampaigns for a start.

 

When I tried to play the scripted campaigns some 2 yrs ago the AI was so "stupid" that I simply gave up, but the latest updates apparently did make it a lot better, so, I will try it.