DCS

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, Cobra build mostly a new team before the split with hq I believe in Swinoujscie (Poland) and upon split they took newly released Viggen and incomplete back then F-14, while M3 holds rights to MiG-21 and F4U-1d. In split memo they said there was some agreement reached to the above shape so that's how it is. M3 is right now on track to release Christen Eagle 2, next will be Corsair. 

 

[Danziger]

So the original LN team did work on the Viggen and F-14? I only ever skim the DCS forum for news about modules that are way overdue. Just to the casual observer it has been looking like since the split HB has been doing amazing things while M3 have done next to nothing and are about to release a civilian aerobatics plane. From your information it seems like HB is getting all credit for quite a lot of M3 work. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, all team members worked on those modules. Before the split it was one company after all. 

Hb has guys who seem to be working for it as a full time job, they also have newer module and Tomcat that makes hype for itself. Plus Cobra is amazing at advertising and building positive image. He is young, but incredibly talented artist and manager. 

One only wonders where he secured funding since all this work must be incredibly expensive. 

 

And no, that's not true that M3 did nothing. It's something that comes up from hoggit or forum complainers. But MiG also saw support, there is changelog on forums. Mig got totally new textures, since DCS moved to PBR, it simply had to. It has new cockpit textures, npp and rsbn got fixed. It's just that with such an old module there is always something to work with lol 

As for CE2, what's wrong with civilian airplane ? It's a smaller project to build experience for Corsair and introduce all civilian virtual pilots to Dcs. The more people the better I think. 

 

HB is getting credit since the split rights to module belong to them and they keep supporting Viggen. But yes, before the split all former LN members had some input in developing newer stuff. It's just business. 

[Danziger]

1 hour ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

As for CE2, what's wrong with civilian airplane ? It's a smaller project to build experience for Corsair and introduce all civilian virtual pilots to Dcs. The more people the better I think. 

Nothing wrong with it from a flying experience perspective. I imagine it will be very well done. It just seems that since MiG-21 release HB has put out Viggen and now F-14 very complex and detailed combat jets while M3 moved from MiG-21 to a simple civil piston plane. It just seems like while HB moved forward, M3 took a large step backward as far as tech and complexity is concerned. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

As far as I'm aware viggen was released before the split. Tomcat was in development since 2015. So they finished it or to be specific have yet to finish it. 

CE2 is a project to recover for M3 and build experience for more complex Corsair. 

Two companies are in a very different situation, since one has newer and build on former experiences module and another module to finish, while latter has much older module with all its flaws (which was their first time project) and very different module to finish such as F4U. CE2 is simpler indeed but its a post split project when something had to come before Corsair. Delta wing super sonic jet fighter and ww2 straight wing fighter are just very different so jumping from one to other might require a middle step. 

 

[Rolling_Thunder]

7 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

I had the 190 before  Ilya announced his DCS adventure..

Whatever you say buddy.

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Whatever you say buddy.

 

The 190 was indeed released by DCS before Ilya's WW2 fiasco.

[Rolling_Thunder]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

The 190 was indeed released by DCS before Ilya's WW2 fiasco.

No it wasn't. There was an ai version just as there was an ai hornet long before ED released a full version.

Why would ED lay out their "roadmap" that included the line

August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora

If it was already released? I think y'all need to check your facts before posting. We're living in a world where the truth, no matter how obvious, is being denied by those wishing to see something completely different. Scary times Winston Smith

[Jaws2002]

You are right. It wasn't released yet. I had the Mustang, but the Dora was on the way and worked on by DCS team, before Ilya started the WW2 project. The model they made was not only for the AI version, they just finished that first.

9 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Yeah, I had the sudden urge to reinstall and give the Sabre another try.  60gb of space and a choice of 150kbs download connection via http or a torrent that would choke and crash after 15 minutes.  I had to uninstall and not worry about it.

 

 

After it installed and i cleaned up the leftovers, The game folder only grew by 11 GB. It now sits at 129GB.

Edited October 11, 2018 by Jaws2002

[Rolling_Thunder]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

You are right. It wasn't released yet. I had the Mustang, but the Dora was on the way and worked on by DCS team, before Ilya started the WW2 project. The model they made was not only for the AI version, they just finished that first.

I know I'm right. I also know I'm right about RRGs work on the 190. All ED had in place for the 190 was the external model and their ai flight model that was to give the P51 an adversary other than a P51 in German clothing.

[DD_Arthur]

4 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

I think y'all need to check your facts before posting. We're living in a world where the truth, no matter how obvious, is being denied by those wishing to see something completely different. Scary times Winston Smith

 

Cheer up RT.  I don't give two hoots for DCS WW2 as for me it's a non-starter but the FW190 was all DCS. 

 

Ilya's Kickstarter wedge was blown on the K4,  no?

[Rolling_Thunder]

1 minute ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Cheer up RT.  I don't give two hoots for DCS WW2 as for me it's a non-starter but the FW190 was all DCS. 

 

Ilya's Kickstarter wedge was blown on the K4,  no?

Looks to me like you do give two hoots.

You want to link where you get your information about the 190? Because I can link you to the cockpit work of the 190, the 262 and others, work performed by RRG employees. Not ED employees.

[Archie]

DCS for jets and heli's, BoX for props IMO, there's nothing better. Luckily there's no rules that you only have to own one sim.

[Aap]

39 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

I know I'm right. I also know I'm right about RRGs work on the 190. All ED had in place for the 190 was the external model and their ai flight model that was to give the P51 an adversary other than a P51 in German clothing.

 

RRG's work on 190 was zero. It was fully ED's plane and estimated to come out during winter 2013/2014. It was delayed, like many DCS projects, but that is a different matter.

[Rolling_Thunder]

16 minutes ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

 

RRG's work on 190 was zero. It was fully ED's plane and estimated to come out during winter 2013/2014. It was delayed, like many DCS projects, but that is a different matter.

Whatever you say buddy.

[Wulfen]

40 minutes ago, Archie said:

DCS for jets and heli's, BoX for props IMO, there's nothing better. Luckily there's no rules that you only have to own one sim.

This, when I want the modern stuff I have DCS, but for WW2, BoX just leaves the competition in the dust. DCS isn`t even at the races.

[Aap]

17 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Whatever you say buddy.

Good. And if you are in doubt, feel free to check. 

57 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Because I can link you to the cockpit work of the 190, ..., work performed by RRG employees. Not ED employees.

Looking forward to it.

Edited October 11, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Rolling_Thunder]

26 minutes ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

Good. And if you are in doubt, feel free to check. 

Looking forward to it.

Actually I did check and it appears y'all are right about the 190. I just checked the kickstarter that states

NOTE: The FW.190D-9 will be the same as the upcoming FW.190D-9 being developed for DCS:World.

I am not afraid to admit my mistakes. 

I know the guy who made the cockpit for the 262 and k4 did the Dora cockpit. Must have been contracted by ED on that one. My mistake

Edited October 11, 2018 by Rolling_Thunder

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I wish I could understand the people who take valuable and limited time of their lives to sit badmouthing games they don't like. Same thing happens in the DCS community towards Il-2, it's incredible.

 

Anyways, here's a nice shot I took of the MiG-21:

 

 

The pretty photo makes up for the intercept I botched, letting the recon plane go away easy, and then the horrible landing wherein all gear legs were damaged. My interception skills are still trash, but I got the landings down since.

[Legioneod]

8 minutes ago, 216th_Lucas_From_Hell said:

I wish I could understand the people who take valuable and limited time of their lives to sit badmouthing games they don't like. Same thing happens in the DCS community towards Il-2, it's incredible.

 

Anyways, here's a nice shot I took of the MiG-21:

 

 

The pretty photo makes up for the intercept I botched, letting the recon plane go away easy, and then the horrible landing wherein all gear legs were damaged. My interception skills are still trash, but I got the landings down since.

Mig 21 is one of my favorite modules in DCS, such a beautiful aircraft despite some of the bugs.

 

Tried playing some DCS today but the spotting is just terrible, it's hard to play after experiencing spotting in Il2. Still had a bit of fun despite the spotting problem.

[Rolling_Thunder]

12 minutes ago, 216th_Lucas_From_Hell said:

I wish I could understand the people who take valuable and limited time of their lives to sit badmouthing games they don't like. Same thing happens in the DCS community towards Il-2, it's incredible.

 

Anyways, here's a nice shot I took of the MiG-21:

 

 

The pretty photo makes up for the intercept I botched, letting the recon plane go away easy, and then the horrible landing wherein all gear legs were damaged. My interception skills are still trash, but I got the landings down since.

Don't get me wrong I like DCS now that the new graphics engine is up and running. The lighting is fantastic. It looks great. The performance has improved. I spend more time in the DCS spitfire than the il2 spitfire. My problem is with the way they treat their customers. 

[Lusekofte]

38 minutes ago, 216th_Lucas_From_Hell said:

I wish I could understand the people who take valuable and limited time of their lives to sit badmouthing games they don't like. Same thing happens in the DCS community towards Il-2, it's incredible.

 

Well I guess they are curious, I personally are on rock bottom when it comes to flightsims in general , and it deeply concerns me. It has been the most valuable hobby since 2000. So I franticly surf the forums hoping to get my interest up and running again. So it might be people visiting here for a hope to gain interest. 

[Jaws2002]

31 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Don't get me wrong I like DCS now that the new graphics engine is up and running. The lighting is fantastic. It looks great. The performance has improved. I spend more time in the DCS spitfire than the il2 spitfire. My problem is with the way they treat their customers. 

 

Absolutely the best lighting engine in flight sim world.

 

All you need is to set the time to dawn or dusk, add some nice music and any DCS plane, on any map, looks amazing. 

 

[Archie]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

 

Well I guess they are curious, I personally are on rock bottom when it comes to flightsims in general , and it deeply concerns me. It has been the most valuable hobby since 2000. So I franticly surf the forums hoping to get my interest up and running again. So it might be people visiting here for a hope to gain interest. 

You're probably just a bit burnt out after years of sim flying, I know I am, and certainly don't put the time in that I used to. I regularly take long breaks but always get dragged back to it. 

After well over a decade of online flying I'm starting to enjoy offline more. I don't 'need' the competition that so many seem to crave.
We used to be in the same Cliffs squad flying 110's I think a few years back.

[Gambit21]

23 hours ago, Archie said:

After well over a decade of online flying I'm starting to enjoy offline more. I don't 'need' the competition that so many seem to crave.
 

 

That was the full-circle conclusion I came to years ago in 46, after going from offline only for years and years, then flying predominantly online for a while.

Killed this person, killed that person, again...again...

After a while I just wanted historic missions and immersion, and offline is the only way to truly experience that.

Online is E-sports, and great if you enjoy it, but it doesn't do a good job of reproducing a WWII environment.

This difference is a big reason why the two groups often don’t  relate to each other very well. Some overlap and understand what the other offers, some just don't get it (mostly the online only guys it seems) They're often disturbingly clueless.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Gambit21

[DetCord12B]

Yeah, I had fun in the F-5, A-10, the Harrier, but everything is a combination and slew of automation and fire-and-forget systems. Nothing seems all that challenging anymore and the WWII component is a complete and utter fail, one that's likely to continue in said direction unfortunately.

 

I just want a Kiowa. And don't give me that nonsense about classified systems and components. The latest releases like the F/A-18C, AV-8B, and A-10C still, to this very day, have classified systems. That means the developers had to guess and create and make s@#t up to simulate said components, so that aspect is utterly moot.

 

Kiowa!

 

[ram0506]

Maybe by Polychop-Simulations?

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=197704

 

[Bremspropeller]

Looking forward to the Mirage F.1 that's supposed to come some time within the next 50 years.

One of my favourite jets of all time. Too bad it isn't going to be a high-end export version (e.g. the late iraqi versions) or a CR/CT.

Hoping for the F.1M though.

 

Another instabuy would be an F-8 Crussder.

[Cybermat47]

4 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

I just want a Kiowa.

 

Seconded, I once spoke to a Kiowa combat veteran. Apparently it’s so small that it can drop in between buildings on a street and open up with the MGs.

[Legioneod]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Looking forward to the Mirage F.1 that's supposed to come some time within the next 50 years.

One of my favourite jets of all time. Too bad it isn't going to be a high-end export version (e.g. the late iraqi versions) or a CR/CT.

Hoping for the F.1M though.

 

Another instabuy would be an F-8 Crussder.

F-8 would be sweet, one of the aircraft I hope to see one day. More Vietnam/Cold War era aircraft would be a welcome sight imo. F-105 Thunderchief, F-100 Super Sabre, A1 Skyraider, Mig 17, and the list goes on.

 

Unfortunately I'll never live to see all these aircraft in DCS standards, maybe Il-2 will go Cold War someday.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Legioneod

[Archie]

What I did forget about, after spending a bit of time in DCS today, was what an utter ballache assigning controls are! And that you can literally go and boil some coffee while waiting for it to load.

Edited October 13, 2018 by Archie

[Gambit21]

17 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Another instabuy would be an F-8 Crussder.

 

They might as well do it - they have a theme going now.

Korea aircraft with no Korea, Vietnam aircraft with no Vietnam. That can be their "THING" you know? Their trademark as it were.

You can take off in your Crusader over Vegas and thwart an attack by Fokker DVII's.

[Bremspropeller]

You can fly a MiG-15 or a Sabre outside of the "Korea" frame.

You know, two rivalling dictators going at each other's throats i the 70s.

...well, two POOR rivalling dictators going at each other's throats in the 70s...

 

I'm also not a fan of their aircraft-development policy, but you'll just have to make the best of it.

Cucasus can make of for some undisclosed korean landscape. And the benefit of Caucasus: You know the area like the back of your hand!

Just did a couple of patterns yesterday to get the hang of the new MiG-29 flight model (it's awesome!) and instantly tried to land at my Fw 190 airfield :D

Well, beats me, the airfield was gone, but there still was a runway with a bar at Anapa, so I molested the people over there...

 

 

[InProgress]

I wanna get a helicopter :P i gave up on mi8, too russian. I wanted to get huey but it's really old and does not feel nice when playing some modern scenarios. I watched their roadmap and they are making some new helicopters but it's just bunch of weird ones, small ones etc.

 

I can't believe game like this did not get a black hawk, it's the most iconic helicopter in the world. Instead, someone makes bo105 (and you had to google it because no one ever heard about these). I was really waiting for NH90 but i heard it was canceled.

 

I really hope someone will make black hawk, it would be bestseller. I really don't get why no one in years did it. It's like not making any bf109 in ww2 sim.

 

I heard there is going to be afghanistan map, perfect for flying black hawk.

[Lusekofte]

Well I for one only flew WW 2 modules in free flight , but that was before YAK 52 came along. Still I feel it is a shame that WW2 is in such a shape. The planes themselves are to me more fun to operate than in all other sim I fly. Sure, this is my subjective opinion. But for a combat sim covering WW2 I have lost all hope. 

I discovered more planes I forgotten all about, SU 25 A and T. So now I enjoy a bit of schooling on those two

[BeastyBaiter]

2 hours ago, InProgress said:

I wanna get a helicopter i gave up on mi8, too russian. I wanted to get huey but it's really old and does not feel nice when playing some modern scenarios. I watched their roadmap and they are making some new helicopters but it's just bunch of weird ones, small ones etc.

 

I can't believe game like this did not get a black hawk, it's the most iconic helicopter in the world. Instead, someone makes bo105 (and you had to google it because no one ever heard about these). I was really waiting for NH90 but i heard it was canceled.

 

I really hope someone will make black hawk, it would be bestseller. I really don't get why no one in years did it. It's like not making any bf109 in ww2 sim.

 

I heard there is going to be afghanistan map, perfect for flying black hawk.

 

Well, the NH90 is another weird one no one has heard of. About as well known as the Z-19. Regardless, I would like to see more effort put into choppers in general. DCS really shines as an attack helicopter sim, it's a shame the only one we have was added to the game 10 years ago and was of a prototype at that. I'm hoping we'll see the Mi-24 sometime in the next year, but there really is no telling with ED.

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

 

Well, the NH90 is another weird one no one has heard of. About as well known as the Z-19. Regardless, I would like to see more effort put into choppers in general. DCS really shines as an attack helicopter sim, it's a shame the only one we have was added to the game 10 years ago and was of a prototype at that. I'm hoping we'll see the Mi-24 sometime in the next year, but there really is no telling with ED.

 

Yeah the KA-50 was my first foray into anything DCS, and once one learns to fly it along with the systems it is an absolutely blast flying as an attack helicopter.

Still love it to this day.

[InProgress]

3 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Well, the NH90 is another weird one no one has heard of.

You should if you are from europe. Quite a few countries here use it and it's still in production. It's kind of like Black hawk of europe.

Edited October 13, 2018 by InProgress

[THERION]

26 minutes ago, InProgress said:

You should if you are from europe. Quite a few countries here use it and it's still in production. It's kind of like Black hawk of europe.

 

Ehm, you are right, still in production - but compared to the Black Hawk, which is in service and flies on regular basis even in hot areas

'round the globe, most of the NH90 are grounded and are not allowed to be used* - at least in good old Germany. 

 

*apparently forgotten to buy some spare parts, hum - you funny bunch of "Schnäppchenjäger"?

[BeastyBaiter]

It's largely unknown outside western Europe, much like the Z-19 is unknown outside China. The production numbers say it all, around 300 NH90's built vs 4,000 UH-60's, 4,500 MD-500's, 2,000 AH-64's, 17,000 Mi-8/17's, 2,500 Mi-24's and so on. The NH90 is a very rare bird. Also, the above parts issue grounding tons of them.

Edited October 13, 2018 by BeastyBaiter