DCS

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Yes, there is indeed a 50% off sale going on for almost all DCS products through July 5th. ?

 

Thrifty pilots have a need to know. 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Thad

[Alexmarine]

Anyone with experience on the MiG-15? Can't decide between it and the MiG-21...

[Wolf8312]

17 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Is there a general consensus on the Normandy map, whether it's a good map or not?

 

 

 

 

Very good map beautiful especially from altitude (looks a bit rough in VR near the ground). But don’t get it if you’re not willing to use the mission editor as there is not a lot of content out there, though I have found some (in one you engage spitfires flying from England). And you will also need the assset pack which is rather lacking at the moment on the allied side in particular. Il2 has better SP experience but as mentioned in DCS comparison thread, DCS has its advantages too so I guess it boils down to whether or not you appreciate those advantages.

 

I love the planes themselves and without Normandy they would be a bit redundant but you could probably make some desert and Caucasus content using the ME. Away from big cities the WW2 planes don’t look out of place...

 

Its certainly got a way to go but personally I have bought all the WW2 modules, as I now believe in it, and feel it has the potential to be as good as Il2 in the future SP wise. If you don’t mind making missions, I say go for it.

 

At the end of the day you won’t know till you try it. I didn’t like it at all at first, though that was largely because a few weeks before it was much worse than it is now. It’s not a finished product and it shows, so take that into consideration.

 

Ps it’s worth it just for the working jet seat to be honest cannons you can feel for example!

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Wolf8312

[bzc3lk]

2 hours ago, Alexmarine28 said:

Anyone with experience on the MiG-15? Can't decide between it and the MiG-21...

 I love the Mig 21, but be wary as it has many performance issues with some systems (cockpit textures). Some people complain of it being a real stutter fest with FPS fluctuating wildly. The Mig 15 is a real gem to look at and runs beautifully on my computer.

[DD_Arthur]

I almost bought the Harrier in the sale last night but then a great weariness overcame me and I thought about the extra ram I should buy to make it run properly and then I thought about how long the whole game takes to load and then I thought about the setting up of the controls and then I thought about how much I'd really use it and then I thought about booking a surprise holiday for the wife and I on Santorini later in the year and then I thought about how much I enjoy BoS and RoF and then I thought about tanks and then I thought about the amount of disc space I'd save by just deleting the whole of DCS anyway................

 

Didn't buy anything.  

[bzc3lk]

24 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I almost bought the Harrier in the sale last night but then a great weariness overcame me and I thought about the extra ram I should buy to make it run properly and then I thought about how long the whole game takes to load and then I thought about the setting up of the controls and then I thought about how much I'd really use it and then I thought about booking a surprise holiday for the wife and I on Santorini later in the year and then I thought about how much I enjoy BoS and RoF and then I thought about tanks and then I thought about the amount of disc space I'd save by just deleting the whole of DCS anyway................

 

Didn't buy anything.  

 

That train of thought and time frame, except  for the holiday was exactly my experience concerning the Harrier.

Edited June 23, 2018 by bzc3lk

[Alexmarine]

26 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I almost bought the Harrier in the sale last night but then a great weariness overcame me and I thought about the extra ram I should buy to make it run properly and then I thought about how long the whole game takes to load and then I thought about the setting up of the controls and then I thought about how much I'd really use it and then I thought about booking a surprise holiday for the wife and I on Santorini later in the year and then I thought about how much I enjoy BoS and RoF and then I thought about tanks and then I thought about the amount of disc space I'd save by just deleting the whole of DCS anyway................

 

Didn't buy anything.  

 

You are making me want to uninstall DCS and go finish buying some planes that I still miss in RoF ?

[scram77]

I got the harrier in the sale as I’ve always loved that plane.  I’ve not used it passed starring her up and messing about a bit in her. I’m having too much fun with the hornet on the Persian map at the moment, the harrier can wait!

[BeastyBaiter]

7 hours ago, Alexmarine28 said:

Anyone with experience on the MiG-15? Can't decide between it and the MiG-21...

 

I have both, along with most everything else. I regularly fly (no particular order) the F-5, F-18, AV-8B, Mirage 2000, MiG-21, Ka-50 and UH-1. Notice what isn't on that list. It's probably been a year or more since I last did even a free flight mission with the MiG-15. Now that isn't the fault of the MiG-15 itself. The plane is pleasant to fly, has some interesting quirks and is highly competitive with the F-86. The trouble is, there is zero content for aircraft of that era. You can create a MiG-15 vs F-86 mission and that's it. There simply isn't anything else to do with it. On the other hand, the MiG-21Bis remains in widespread usage and was built up through the early 1980's. Though it certainly isn't the best plane in the game, it fits in just fine with DCS's core content (AI units, maps, campaigns, etc).

 

Even on servers like 104th where there aren't any restrictions on aircraft or weapons typically (except the MiG-21's nukes), the MiG-21 does well in the ground attack role. Those big S-24 rockets really mess stuff up and its high speed make it pretty easy to outrun the manpads. And you can be successful in air to air with it if you are good. It's a speedy little fighter that can sneak up on people and it has the missiles to drop them quickly. On the other hand, most servers don't even allow the MiG-15 since so few are interested in flying it.

[Monostripezebra]

10 hours ago, Alexmarine28 said:

Anyone with experience on the MiG-15? Can't decide between it and the MiG-21...

 

The mig 15 is nice and solid, but somewhat boring, sometimes. The 21 has had some issues and sometimes still has some, like the sometimes weird damagemodel, but it is a far more employable aircraft online and for many more contexts and missions.. and it has some quite well done sides, too. I would go for the 21 if you like modern jet combat. The 15 is great for Korea stuff, but not too usefull for anything else online or in single player missions, and it is systemswise a lot simpler closer to WW2. The 21 has higher learning curve, but it will keep you entertained mostly.

 

Just some more tunnel fun, I just was crazy enough to spend more money on DCS

 

[CanadaOne]

8 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Very good map beautiful especially from altitude (looks a bit rough in VR near the ground). But don’t get it if you’re not willing to use the mission editor as there is not a lot of content out there, though I have found some (in one you engage spitfires flying from England). And you will also need the assset pack which is rather lacking at the moment on the allied side in particular. Il2 has better SP experience but as mentioned in DCS comparison thread, DCS has its advantages too so I guess it boils down to whether or not you appreciate those advantages.

 

I love the planes themselves and without Normandy they would be a bit redundant but you could probably make some desert and Caucasus content using the ME. Away from big cities the WW2 planes don’t look out of place...

 

Its certainly got a way to go but personally I have bought all the WW2 modules, as I now believe in it, and feel it has the potential to be as least as good as Il2 in the future SP wise. If you don’t mind making missions, I say go for it.

 

At the end of the day you won’t know till you try it. I didn’t like it at all at first, though that was largely because a few weeks before it was much worse than it is now. It’s not a finished product and it shows, so take that into consideration.

 

Ps it’s worth it just for the working jet seat to be honest cannons you can feel for example!

 

 

Thanks.

 

I'll probably get the map next week before the sale ends (and once my ISP download limit resets in July). But I'm set to get two planes today, maybe one jet and one prop. Hard to decide which, but I suppose that's the fun of it. The Mig-21 looks hard to avoid. I'm an F-104 fan and the Mig-21 has that same man-inside-a-bullet look to it.

[Wolf8312]

11 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Thanks.

 

I'll probably get the map next week before the sale ends (and once my ISP download limit resets in July). But I'm set to get two planes today, maybe one jet and one prop. Hard to decide which, but I suppose that's the fun of it. The Mig-21 looks hard to avoid. I'm an F-104 fan and the Mig-21 has that same man-inside-a-bullet look to it.

 

Yeah I got the mig 21, its got a gorgeous interior, and is a brilliant module, though I was so overwhelmed with other modules I liked more (helicopters) that I kind put it down and never picked it back up again. Same with all the jets really I love flying them but aside from the warthog which I didnt really take to, I never really stick with them long enough to learn them fully. I got the Hornet and then fell in love with the WW2 planes and so the cycle repeats!

Edited June 23, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

We flight simmers seem to be a fickle lot. ?

[CanadaOne]

3 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Yeah I got the mig 21, its got a gorgeous interior, and is a brilliant module, though I was so overwhelmed with other modules I liked more (helicopters) that I kind put it down and never picked it back up again. Same with all the jets really I love flying them but aside from the warthog which I didnt really take to, I never really stick with them long enough to learn them fully. I got the Hornet and then fell in love with the WW2 planes and so the cycle repeats!

 

Yep, that's part of the fun; fly a plane or a sim for a while, then don't fly for a while, then when you fly again it's  "Oh yeah... this is good fun."

 

I'm tempted by the 190D9, but BOX might put that out in the next few months, so maybe better to go with something else.

[TheBlackPenguin]

I kind of want the Harrier, but with a chance we'll see a Sea Harrier and/or a GR3 I will wait for that. Falklands campaign without either wouldn't really be complete. Contemplating the Mirage 2000C though.

[BeastyBaiter]

I would be very surprised if they do another Harrier tbh. A modern-ish UK one would be far too similar to the USMC model to justify and I'm not sure how big the market is for one of the original Sea Harriers. I'd be interested but I have doubts about its commercial viability. Even if they do decide to make one, it would be many years off before they even start working on it. So give in, grab the Harrier we have. It's likely the only Harrier we'll ever get in DCS.

 

As for the Mirage 2000, it has it's appeal. I don't fly it very often due to the cockpit (world's tiniest font + VR just doesn't work) but it is a good little fighter. Kind of a one trick pony though.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Yep, that's part of the fun; fly a plane or a sim for a while, then don't fly for a while, then when you fly again it's  "Oh yeah... this is good fun."

 

I'm tempted by the 190D9, but BOX might put that out in the next few months, so maybe better to go with something else.

 

I have way more DCS plane modules than I will ever have time to get around to learning. Most have quite the learning curve and takes a lot of time and devotion to getting proficient with them. 

 

[Wolf8312]

Its funny I have the 190 in both sims and havent taken to it in either. For some reason I find the 109 easier, though

I know I am not using it properly.

 

Whether 109 or 190 though in DCS I have real trouble beating spitfires in dogfights. I can beat the 190 or 109 in a spitfire, and the mustang in either a 190 or 109, but man when I go up against the spit in either a 109 or 190 the spit just turns me to death! If I try to climb and disengage however it just follows me and shoots me up. So I tried to dive, and gain even greater escape speed, it followed and shot me up! I guess I should just keep dodging and evading his bullets until eventually I pull away, and can begin to climb once more. Is greater altitude really the only way to beat a spit in these planes?

Is the FW190 boom and zoom exclusive?

 

Also find the spit incredibly easy to fly in comparison to the others, but the weaponry (did I mention the jetseat!) on the german planes are very enticing.

[CanadaOne]

25 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I have way more DCS plane modules than I will ever have time to get around to learning. Most have quite the learning curve and takes a lot of time and devotion to getting proficient with them. 

 

 

I hear ya.

 

Because I'm a horrible person, I'll just set it up for easy engine management and fly for the fun of it. I like doing takeoffs and landings and just booting around. I take a checkers approach to what many others here see as chess.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I hear ya.

 

Because I'm a horrible person, I'll just set it up for easy engine management and fly for the fun of it. I like doing takeoffs and landings and just booting around. I take a checkers approach to what many others here see as chess.

 

Yeah nothing wrong with that!

 

 

[Alexmarine]

In the end I went and bought the MiG-15 ?  

 

I agree with you guys that the MiG-21 is probably more usable both in Multiplayer (which in DCS is not something I care much) and in singleplayer where it suits the rest of the assets but being the first fully clickable plane I will tackle and not disliking the idea of honing some skill in duels against the Sabre I went for it as an intro to the full DCS modules... I will take the Fishbed next sale ?

[Monostripezebra]

 

[Wolf8312]

22 hours ago, Monostripezebra said:

 

The mig 15 is nice and solid, but somewhat boring, sometimes. The 21 has had some issues and sometimes still has some, like the sometimes weird damagemodel, but it is a far more employable aircraft online and for many more contexts and missions.. and it has some quite well done sides, too. I would go for the 21 if you like modern jet combat. The 15 is great for Korea stuff, but not too usefull for anything else online or in single player missions, and it is systemswise a lot simpler closer to WW2. The 21 has higher learning curve, but it will keep you entertained mostly.

 

Just some more tunnel fun, I just was crazy enough to spend more money on DCS

 

 

Have you considered that there might be something phallically significant about your constant tunnel dipping?  ?

 

Edited June 24, 2018 by Wolf8312

[JG5_Zesphr]

On 6/23/2018 at 7:28 PM, BeastyBaiter said:

I would be very surprised if they do another Harrier tbh. A modern-ish UK one would be far too similar to the USMC model to justify and I'm not sure how big the market is for one of the original Sea Harriers. I'd be interested but I have doubts about its commercial viability. Even if they do decide to make one, it would be many years off before they even start working on it. So give in, grab the Harrier we have. It's likely the only Harrier we'll ever get in DCS.

 

As for the Mirage 2000, it has it's appeal. I don't fly it very often due to the cockpit (world's tiniest font + VR just doesn't work) but it is a good little fighter. Kind of a one trick pony though.

They're going to do an AV-8B plus variant with the ground radar tech developed for the hornet. Also razbam has a history with the harriers I think so  personally I'm still hoping for a FRS 1 or GR9 (depending on the top secret stuff) 

[Monostripezebra]

On 6/24/2018 at 4:12 PM, Wolf8312 said:

 

Have you considered that there might be something phallically significant about your constant tunnel dipping?  ?

 

 

Honestly? No. I wouldn´t want to be called a bigamist!

 

 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Monostripezebra

[Wolf8312]

Updated the OP...

 

+Spotting in Il-2 is far easier than with DCS, I never had any problems finding a potential enemy in BOX, but in DCS it's a real drag and I play with 0 pixel density (VR).

+Ground targets in DCS are also too small and difficult to see in DCS though actually pretty big and easy to see in IL-2.

+DCS has the most beautiful and realistic looking terrain I have ever seen in a flight sim, especially in VR it is breathtaking. Make a WW2 mission in the mountain ranges of the persian Gulf, at the right time of day, and be prepared to be utterly blown away!

+DCS AA is much more lethal and accurate

 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Wolf8312

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, Monostripezebra said:

Honestly? No. I wouldn´t want to be called a bigamist!

I count on the other Zebra forgiving you.

[fiddlinjim]

Just spotted a video showing that DCS and Cap-to-Glove are working closely together to implement hand movement (Haptic)

in the cockpit for stick, throttle movement, tripping switches etc. etc.

While I much prefer IL2 BOX visuals and their career mode and it is still my regular go to sim, the implementation of haptic movement in DCS 

may pose significant difficulties for this favorite of mine.  

[-332FG-Gordon200]

 

[Lusekofte]

On 6/23/2018 at 12:51 PM, DD_Arthur said:

I enjoy BoS and RoF

 

I simply get bored to death with box, but I miss ROF?

I really enjoyed the floatplanes and general purpose aircraft in that game. ---i think I install it in my new Rig and have a go. Atm DCS take all available flying time (choppers that is) X plane 11 need a whole lot of crap to get TrackIr working and I am pretty pissed off with myself for buying it. 

 

What annoys be a lot with DCS is my ability to remember procedures on modules I already learned and moved on to go in depth on another module. I am pretty competent with all the choppers and started to take on the A 10 C again. I was comfortable with startup and weapon systems before this . But soon understood I had forgotten it all, and needed to relearn it. Then after being away from KA 50 for a while I forgotten it too. So I had to train in it. I see no progression if I can't make it stick

Edited June 27, 2018 by LuseKofte

[Danziger]

29 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I simply get bored to death with box, but I miss ROF?

I really enjoyed the floatplanes and general purpose aircraft in that game. ---i think I install it in my new Rig and have a go. Atm DCS take all available flying time (choppers that is) X plane 11 need a whole lot of crap to get TrackIr working and I am pretty pissed off with myself for buying it. 

 

What annoys be a lot with DCS is my ability to remember procedures on modules I already learned and moved on to go in depth on another module. I am pretty competent with all the choppers and started to take on the A 10 C again. I was comfortable with startup and weapon systems before this . But soon understood I had forgotten it all, and needed to relearn it. Then after being away from KA 50 for a while I forgotten it too. So I had to train in it. I see no progression if I can't make it stick

You need to go to flight school with the real pilots and go through all of their training. Fly as an A10C pilot for 10 years or so then fly a Ka50 for another 10 years or so. By then you should remember it.

[Wolf8312]

3 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I simply get bored to death with box, but I miss ROF?

I really enjoyed the floatplanes and general purpose aircraft in that game. ---i think I install it in my new Rig and have a go. Atm DCS take all available flying time (choppers that is) X plane 11 need a whole lot of crap to get TrackIr working and I am pretty pissed off with myself for buying it. 

 

What annoys be a lot with DCS is my ability to remember procedures on modules I already learned and moved on to go in depth on another module. I am pretty competent with all the choppers and started to take on the A 10 C again. I was comfortable with startup and weapon systems before this . But soon understood I had forgotten it all, and needed to relearn it. Then after being away from KA 50 for a while I forgotten it too. So I had to train in it. I see no progression if I can't make it stick

 

Have exactly the same annoying problem I learned the A10C twice and now the idea of going back to study it again, is well...

3 hours ago, BorysVorobyov said:

You need to go to flight school with the real pilots and go through all of their training. Fly as an A10C pilot for 10 years or so then fly a Ka50 for another 10 years or so. By then you should remember it.

 

Yeah I guess thats true, you need to stick with a module for many years never neglecting what can become boring start up proceedures. It's also important to learn what the buttons actully do rather than simply which buttons to press and in what order!

 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

3 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Have exactly the same annoying problem I learned the A10C twice and now the idea of going back to study it again, is well...

 

-snip-

 

It's like a passively implied "DCS' main selling point is boring."

[Lusekofte]

47 minutes ago, Space_Ghost said:

It's like a passively implied "DCS' main selling point is boring."

 

Yeah you have come to that conclusion , but please do not put that opinion on me,  this is a simulator, and it is a reason pilots stick to one type, you experience that in Modules like A 10 C and KA 50. Possibly with the Harrier and Hornet when they are finished too. The rest is less complex. It is not like at the game BOX , fly one and you can do them all. 

[dburne]

8 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I simply get bored to death with box, but I miss ROF?

I really enjoyed the floatplanes and general purpose aircraft in that game. ---i think I install it in my new Rig and have a go. Atm DCS take all available flying time (choppers that is) X plane 11 need a whole lot of crap to get TrackIr working and I am pretty pissed off with myself for buying it. 

 

What annoys be a lot with DCS is my ability to remember procedures on modules I already learned and moved on to go in depth on another module. I am pretty competent with all the choppers and started to take on the A 10 C again. I was comfortable with startup and weapon systems before this . But soon understood I had forgotten it all, and needed to relearn it. Then after being away from KA 50 for a while I forgotten it too. So I had to train in it. I see no progression if I can't make it stick

 

Yeah I can relate, I took the time to learn the KA-50 pretty good , even the cold start procedure. Have not flown it in quite a while now, in fact waiting on my MCG Pro grip to put on my new Gunfighter I have had here, and then will set it up and give it a go with the KA-50. Going to be interesting to see how much I remember on working it's systems.

 

Plus am in the middle of trying to learn this F/A 18-C.

[Lusekofte]

Well My problem was mainly a new rig, had to set it up and remember how I did things . And relearn basics, but it was a lot easier second time

But it is frustrating, having lost experience and routines after a short time . I blame it on how my brains work, In order to learn new things I tend to push out things I currently have no use for

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Realistically, it's not possible to remember complete procedures on a host of different planes you've spent less than 10 hours in. Having a general idea is one thing, but getting the whole flow going is crazy. I sorted this out with a pen and a few spare sheets of paper. For every model,  I enter the start-up training mission and take notes of the steps in a way that makes sense to me. I do the same for the training for mission systems that aren't intuitive. At some point I'll need to get a binder or folder to prevent them from looking as crumpled as they are now from over-use, but anyhow, this pile of notes sits on the computer case ready to be accessed whenever I'm doing a cold start. For some advanced systems, I still consult the notes for that specific area before going into the hot zone if I can't remember a certain part of it.

 

The F-5E, perhaps because it was my starting point, doesn't have its own list since I could start it up and run the systems in my sleep.

 

Exhibit A, the MiG-21 start-up checklist.

 

[CanadaOne]

Just bought the P-51. I already have five jets and I've really been enjoying the prop action in DCS. Let's me take in the scenery and I just like the feel of it. Definitely getting at least one more plane before the sale ends.  The F-86 looks like fun.

[Picchio]

Dora is calling me.

What do I do?

[Wolf8312]

17 hours ago, Space_Ghost said:

 

It's like a passively implied "DCS' main selling point is boring."

 

Nope I love DCS for many diffrent reasons space ghost, and right now would have to say the VR experience is the main attraction followed by the flight models (DCS spitfire module is a masterpiece)  and the abilty to edit and make my own missions.

 

I do love the clickable cockpits though, and as Lusekofte said, not all of them are as difficult to learn. WW2 planes are simple to start up and remember how to start up. Have you ever say, flown a jet over Vegas or the persian gulf in VR? It's a real rush. Have you ever tried the helicopters, and gone after your targets without guided weaponry ? A genuinely thrilling experience, that I am so thankful to be able to experience, as I am Il-2. I have never regretted buying a single DCS module. 

 

You should give it another chance space ghost. Honestly I was over the persian gulf today in a BF109, and asked myself how it was even possible that fans of Il-2, could not at the very least appreciate that DCS is one of the best (even if you think Il-2 is better) combat flight sims ever created.  

 

But different strokes I guess...

 

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Wolf8312