DCS

[InProgress]

2 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

Developer himself wrote-

Yea, AFTER people noticed this on steam. I think there is something wrong in contact with community if people learn about this stuff from reviews and not info from devs. They put announcement that i saw as steam user only after i learned that from reviews. Is it really that hard to put this announcement BEFORE you rise price? And not few days after only because people got angry? Like i said, i dont care about $ they charge, i paid 70$ for bodenplatte, that's a lot of money in my country, but game is great so i can save a bit and every 1-1,5 year buy BoX expansion. Money is not a problem, problem is how they treat customers. If you are going to rise a price of your product, you should inform people about it, not on forum where ONLY fans sit and follow it, but on your store where 99% of people will look. So again, if they would put info even few days before rising prices, on store page, then i would not see any problem.

 

[Wolf8312]

2 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Worst part is , after flying the K 50 Havoc for many many hours I have forgotten it in such degree that I cannot remember how I assigned the buttons for it. I remember the startup procedure , but not the weapons. I ´flown MI 8 for so long that the same problem surfaced now when I fired up the Huey, can't remember squat. So learned at one time do not mean you can do it forever. 

I am pretty good at the MI8 , but now I find myself on very thin ice when it comes to fine maneuvering the Huey

 

I have the exact same problem. It has got to the point that I am rather reluctant to learn complex start up proceedures now, as I know eventually I will forget them! It really does show why pilots need to be well educated because take off, flying and landing is no problem for anyone with half a brain, the problem is if you dont really understand what the buttons you are pressing actually do it can cause all kinds of dangerous problems!

 

Love the Gazelle myself with Mi-8 in second! I think I'd learn more about the jets I own if I could just tear myself away from the choppers! They are just too damned fun!

[Dakpilot]

That is what checklists are for ?at one stage in my career I was flying a three engine jet, twin turboprop and large twin engine helicopter, sometimes all three on the same day, obviously an understanding of systems is essential, but decent checklist and procedures is compulsory 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Love the Gazelle myself with Mi-8 in second! I think I'd learn more about the jets I own if I could just tear myself away from the choppers! They are just too damned fun!

I like the Gazelle as well, but I got a spiky collective and the Gazelle is simply too sensitive for it, I wait for a replacement to arrive. And I have no time for jets either, I  only fly choppers atm

57 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

That is what checklists are for ?at one stage in my career I was flying a three engine jet, twin turboprop and large twin engine helicopter, sometimes all three on the same day, obviously an understanding of systems is essential, but decent checklist and procedures is compulsory 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

Yes as we speak I am looking for chucks checklist on the KA 50 and Huey. It is the damnedest thing I spent a lot of time learning these two by hart

[Wolf8312]

59 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

That is what checklists are for ?at one stage in my career I was flying a three engine jet, twin turboprop and large twin engine helicopter, sometimes all three on the same day, obviously an understanding of systems is essential, but decent checklist and procedures is compulsory 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

Yeah I would have a checklist though it might be a little difficult flying VR! 

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

4 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Worst part is , after flying the K 50 Havoc for many many hours I have forgotten it in such degree that I cannot remember how I assigned the buttons for it. I remember the startup procedure , but not the weapons. I ´flown MI 8 for so long that the same problem surfaced now when I fired up the Huey, can't remember squat. So learned at one time do not mean you can do it forever. 

I am pretty good at the MI8 , but now I find myself on very thin ice when it comes to fine maneuvering the Huey

 

Easy, just go to controls and start pushing buttons to see what each button does. I wish IL-2 some day has this feature and plane specific control settings.

[9./JG27golani79]

51 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Yeah I would have a checklist though it might be a little difficult flying VR! 

 

Not sure how it is with readability in VR but you could try putting the checklist into your ingame kneeboard.

Edited June 3, 2018 by 9./JG27golani79

[Sokol1]

1 hour ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Yeah I would have a checklist though it might be a little difficult flying VR! 

 

Just put the check-list in kneepad. E.g. 

 

 

Other thing I do is remove from (DCS) check-list the "what if" checks, e.g. fuel level... virtual 'fitters' never will forget to fill tanks in flight games, so check this is moot, leave this parts for Youtube videos "How complex startup is".  

 

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Sokol1

[Lusekofte]

48 minutes ago, NahkaSukka said:

Easy, just go to controls and start pushing buttons to see what each button does. I wish IL-2 some day has this feature and plane specific control settings.

 

I bought a new Rig, so I have to reinstall all controls

[CanadaOne]

I'm still ******* fuming that Steam screwed up my Persian Gulf map purchase and then deleted my Nevada map in the process. Now I'm stuck downloading another 30GB just to get the NTTR map back. I have a 160 GB a month net limit, and between downloading the un-installable Persian Gulf map and having to re-install Nevada, that's a big fat chunk of my net usage right there.

 

And I like how Steam accepted my payment in two-seconds flat, but says it could be two-weeks to have the refund on my credit card.

 

Groan....

 

One thing about buying BOX through this site - it has always installed easily and flawlessly.

[Wolf8312]

On 6/1/2018 at 9:20 PM, BeastyBaiter said:

Try a tail dragger in DCS sometime and lock the tail wheel. You'll notice they travel in a perfectly straight line. Now hop in your car and keep the steering wheel perfectly straight with a cross wind or a slanted road. You will quickly run off the road cause the car won't go straight despite the steering being set to go straight forwards. That's just one element of DCS's on rails ground handling. The whole thing is just too rigid. In the real world, tires and suspension flex a bit and surfaces aren't perfectly flat. BoX doesn't have anywhere near perfect ground handling, but lock the tail wheel here, power up and you'll slowly drift off course. That's how it's supposed to work. Nevermind the wheel sticking issues DCS has always had, though admittedly that's a lot less problematic in the modules.

 

Overall I think DCS does  jets well, but their engine is ill suited to prop aircraft and tail draggers in particular.

 

Edit: I should point out I haven't had any of the prop planes installed in over a year, but they went years without being updated prior to that, so I'd be surprised if this has changed any.

 

I must say the dora does seem a little on rails on take off, you just have to pull back on the stick, but after that it's very difficult to mess up. Not sure how realistic that is. Just tried landing it though and that aspect is highly convincing! Really looks like its going to be fun just learning how to land! Well I did land, but I aim to land with some dignity one day! 

 

 

23 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I'm still ******* fuming that Steam screwed up my Persian Gulf map purchase and then deleted my Nevada map in the process. Now I'm stuck downloading another 30GB just to get the NTTR map back. I have a 160 GB a month net limit, and between downloading the un-installable Persian Gulf map and having to re-install Nevada, that's a big fat chunk of my net usage right there.

 

And I like how Steam accepted my payment in two-seconds flat, but says it could be two-weeks to have the refund on my credit card.

 

Groan....

 

One thing about buying BOX through this site - it has always installed easily and flawlessly.

 

I wouldnt buy DCS through steam I stopped doing it a long time ago, though at least now the downloads seem to move much quicker! Then again I never had issues like yours my issue was always the long wait for anything to get released on steam.

 

Are you not buying the Persian gulf Map now Canada?

[CanadaOne]

4 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

I wouldnt buy DCS through steam I stopped doing it a long time ago, though at least now the downloads seem to move much quicker! Then again I never had issues like yours my issue was always the long wait for anything to get released on steam.

 

Are you not buying the Persian gulf Map now Canada?

 

I really wanted the map, I love new maps in any flightsim, but Steam made it so frustrating I asked for a refund. I ended up with less DCS content after I bought the Persian Gulf map than before I bought it. It's ridiculous. The installation process was a bad joke. (Which really makes me appreciate the excellent smooth-osity of the BOX installation from this site.)

 

It's pretty silly to start over again and buy my DCS content directly from DCS, but I either stick with crappy Steam and don't buy any more DLC, or buy from DCS and start over again. That means buying three easy-version planes and the NTTR map again. That's $100+.

 

Oh well...

[9./JG27golani79]

I dont have DCS on Steam but I am pretty sure that this was just a "hickup"

 

Did any other people run into this problem?

 

[CanadaOne]

Agreed. I've bought other stuff on Steam and all went well. But this is the second time the install of DCS DLC was a frustrating and unintuitive affair, and added to that my NTTR map disappeared in the process and now Steam wants to reload all 30GB of it.

 

When you pay for DLC and the install process is of such a nature than even a semi PC nerd like myself ( I built my own PC and it works fine) ends up with less content after the purchase than before it, I think there is a legitimate gripe to be had with how the seller is managing things.

 

When I buy DLC for BOX from this site, it's fast, easy, and it works. I cannot say the same for Steam.

[Wolf8312]

Aw man screw historical accuracy! Put some ground targets around Dubai, get in a WW2 bird and do some dive bombing. Orgasmic thrills! Normandy aside I really do love how the DCS WW2 planes fly. Considering I'm always balls deep in reprojection I gotta say its very smooth as well!

[Jade_Monkey]

On 6/3/2018 at 7:37 AM, dburne said:

... I have bought so many modules when they were on sale that I know I will never have time to get around to learning all of them.

Yup!

 

On 6/3/2018 at 7:47 AM, LuseKofte said:

Worst part is , after flying the K 50 Havoc for many many hours I have forgotten it in such degree that I cannot remember how I assigned the buttons for it...

 

Same here. That's my biggest issue with DCS, i just can't stay on top of all the controls.

 

I also don't have the patience to learn some systems such as navigation, the time/reward ratio is not worth it for me.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Yup!

 

 

Same here. That's my biggest issue with DCS, i just can't stay on top of all the controls.

 

I also don't have the patience to learn some systems such as navigation, the time/reward ratio is not worth it for me.

 

The KA-50 so far is the only module I took the time to truly learn enough to effective fly in a combat role with.

It was a steep learning curve for sure.

 

I intend to learn the F/A 18-C hopefully also. It is just too dang sexy.

Carrier Ops over the Persian Gulf is very appealing to me.

Edited June 4, 2018 by dburne

[BeastyBaiter]

It helps to give all aircraft a nearly identical control setup regardless of the machine's specific controls. For instance, the A-10C doesn't technically have a lock button, but it does have a pseudo-lock button on one of it's hats. I set that to be the same as my MiG-21, F-5E and Ka-50 lock button. The same is true for unlock. I use the same button for laser on/off as I do radar on/off, it's more of a "primary targeting sensor button" to me. That list goes on and on for all sorts of things. End result is there are maybe 2-3 key bindings for each bird that I have to look up after a long hiatus.

 

Of course, being able to operate it and being combat effective are not the same thing. I'm able to handle the Ka-50 and F-5E with a fairly high degree of proficiency, but the others take a few hours to get back to something resembling competent.

[Monostripezebra]

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Monostripezebra

[Gambit21]

On 6/4/2018 at 2:56 PM, Jade_Monkey said:

Same here. That's my biggest issue with DCS, i just can't stay on top of all the controls.

I also don't have the patience to learn some systems such as navigation, the time/reward ratio is not worth it for me.

 

Aside from my other issues with ED, this is huge for me with modern Jets in general.

I'd love to already know the F-18 for instance, but I don't have the desire to spend my free time learning it.

I used to spend hours, days and days learning, basically like taking a class. I just can't do that anymore - life is different now.

 

Now I'd be all over something like the MiG 15 and it's simple learning curve...if only....well I've typed on that problem how many posts now in this thread.

No need to do it again.

 

[Wolf8312]

On 6/3/2018 at 7:37 PM, dburne said:

Yeah that is my problem too, I have bought so many modules when they were on sale that I know I will never have time to get around to learning all of them.

Hey Durne how are you finding the hornet performance wise?

 

What I want to know really is does it suffer from any fps drops durring bombing runs like the Viggen, and how does it perform in general. As you dont use a VIVE I dont think you get those horrible basestation flashes durring big fps drops but I seem to remember someone telling me there is a similar equivalent.

For me I find that the best performing jet in DCS (I also have viggen and Mig21) is the mirage. I mean VR performance here but also just genral Jet all round performance the mirage has everything! Not sure if you have that one to compare? Viggen flys better than any jet I ever flew and has interesting weapons but I really dont like that it lacks a proper cannon!

Any problems to report? Also learning curve. On a scale of 1 to 10 with the warthog being 9, is it an intimidating module to get into? I guess I can just watch a youtube video but I'd be interested to see what you think!

 

 

[dburne]

43 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

Hey Durne how are you finding the hornet performance wise?

 

What I want to know really is does it suffer from any fps drops durring bombing runs like the Viggen, and how does it perform in general. As you dont use a VIVE I dont think you get those horrible basestation flashes durring big fps drops but I seem to remember someone telling me there is a similar equivalent.

For me I find that the best performing jet in DCS (I also have viggen and Mig21) is the mirage. I mean VR performance here but also just genral Jet all round performance the mirage has everything! Not sure if you have that one to compare? Viggen flys better than any jet I ever flew and has interesting weapons but I really dont like that it lacks a proper cannon!

Any problems to report? Also learning curve. On a scale of 1 to 10 with the warthog being 9, is it an intimidating module to get into? I guess I can just watch a youtube video but I'd be interested to see what you think!

 

 

 

I am still very new to the Hornet so don't know that I will be much help there yet, at least in comparing to other jets. 

I will say the thing is just gorgeous though, and the cockpit looks very good in VR.

So far all my time has been spent in getting consistent with my take offs and landings, especially on the carrier. As my main interest in going forward with this aircraft will be in some carrier operations. But I have quite a bit to learn though, time will tell if I can get my arms wrapped around it and learn it like I need to.

 

Really the only other module I took the time to truly learn was the KA-50. Have many hours of great fun in with that one. I had started to learn the A-10C some time ago, but for whatever reason just never stayed with it. And the Spitfire of course I did learn.

 

So in regards to VR performance in the Hornet over Persian Gulf, it is about what I would have expected from DCS. Not great, but certainly is playable for me. I can pretty much maintain at least 45 fps so far, but again not been in any combat scenarios yet either. I have a long way to go I think to get to that point.

 

 

[BeastyBaiter]

Performance with the Hornet in VR (Rift) is about the same as all other aircraft for me. Really can't tell a difference, though I do play with mirrors turned off. I get a locked 45 fps down low, including attack runs with bombs/rockets/guns on targets in smaller towns. It will push up to 90 fps at high altitude and bounce between the two when 2-3km up and away from towns, just like all the other aircraft. It's a CPU limitation though. Thread 11 is always pegged at 100% even in a completely empty mission. System specs in sig. I play with most settings set at medium or high and AA turned off (1.3PD instead).

 

Edit: I should point out that's on the Caucuses and Hormuz maps, NTTR is a locked 90 fps except over Vegas. You'd think the parts of Hormuz with nothing going on (e.g. over the Gulf or deep in the mountains away from towns) it would also get 90 fps, but it doesn't. For whatever reason, SoH uses a lot more CPU even when rendering nothing but sand.

Edited June 6, 2018 by BeastyBaiter

[Wolf8312]

23 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Performance with the Hornet in VR (Rift) is about the same as all other aircraft for me. Really can't tell a difference, though I do play with mirrors turned off. I get a locked 45 fps down low, including attack runs with bombs/rockets/guns on targets in smaller towns. It will push up to 90 fps at high altitude and bounce between the two when 2-3km up and away from towns, just like all the other aircraft. It's a CPU limitation though. Thread 11 is always pegged at 100% even in a completely empty mission. System specs in sig. I play with most settings set at medium or high and AA turned off (1.3PD instead).

 

Edit: I should point out that's on the Caucuses and Hormuz maps, NTTR is a locked 90 fps except over Vegas. You'd think the parts of Hormuz with nothing going on (e.g. over the Gulf or deep in the mountains away from towns) it would also get 90 fps, but it doesn't. For whatever reason, SoH uses a lot more CPU even when rendering nothing but sand.

 

Yeah thats a shame cause I kinda thought that with AC carrier landings and nothing but ocean I might get a solid 90!

Well here are my first impressions. Its a bit of a bus! Not a nimble rapid attack jet but something more akin to the warthog and the systems look just as dauntingly complex.

Not sure what the word is for that type of AC but I guess I'm saying it's one that hides behind a cloud from 4 miles up and then blows your ass up without you ever knowing he was there!

Anyone tell me what that kind of AC is known as? Is it like a heavy jet if such a terminology exists?

It's clearly a fantastic module though and unlike the warthog with its scale issues it seems like its been designed with VR in mind and the cockpit looks fantastic. It seems to look great on the SOH map as well, though might be placebo but I've often found certain modules just look better on certain maps, like helicopters with a wider field of view tend to look better visually (IMO) than say the KA-50.

Looks like I'm going to have to learn the systems quickly though as as fun as it is, I do prefer blasting around in attack rockets if I am just flying casually. Doesn't look like a casual module at all. I don't mind learning a new module even advanced ones like the warthog I really enjoyed getting to grips with but the trouble is as we have already discussed you have to keep flying them or else you kinda forget how. I dont think I'll bother with learning the start-up for now, but take off landing, and weapon systems I'm definitely going to get on.

Hilariously I just tried to bring her in and as I touched down on the runway literally exploded in fire and laughter at what a god awful first attempt. Funny cause when I was bringing her in I was thinking oh these modern jets land themselves!  I wasnt even looking at my airspeed!

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

4 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

Anyone tell me what that kind of AC is known as? Is it like a heavy jet if such a terminology exists?

 

The most common term is strike fighter, though fighter-bomber is also popular. Personally I call it a bathtub, this is what a real heavy fighter looks like:

 

[BeastyBaiter]

The G limit of the Hornet is very low in game. Currently it's around 6.5G in most situations with an absolute max of 7.5G that's only reachable briefly in very specific circumstances. This gives the illusion of a bus when it's possibly the single most nimble jet in the game. The thing is, you have to get the speed down so you aren't hitting that G limiter. The Hornet will do a serious bat turn below 300 knots. Given the high power to weight ratio, this often means cutting power and popping the airbrake when doing ground attack. Even in a dogfight, I find myself spending most of the time at mil power instead of AB.

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

Yeah thats a shame cause I kinda thought that with AC carrier landings and nothing but ocean I might get a solid 90!

Well here are my first impressions. Its a bit of a bus! Not a nimble rapid attack jet but something more akin to the warthog and the systems look just as dauntingly complex.

Not sure what the word is for that type of AC but I guess I'm saying it's one that hides behind a cloud from 4 miles up and then blows your ass up without you ever knowing he was there!

Anyone tell me what that kind of AC is known as? Is it like a heavy jet if such a terminology exists?

It's clearly a fantastic module though and unlike the warthog with its scale issues it seems like its been designed with VR in mind and the cockpit looks fantastic. It seems to look great on the SOH map as well, though might be placebo but I've often found certain modules just look better on certain maps, like helicopters with a wider field of view tend to look better visually (IMO) than say the KA-50.

Looks like I'm going to have to learn the systems quickly though as as fun as it is, I do prefer blasting around in attack rockets if I am just flying casually. Doesn't look like a casual module at all. I don't mind learning a new module even advanced ones like the warthog I really enjoyed getting to grips with but the trouble is as we have already discussed you have to keep flying them or else you kinda forget how. I dont think I'll bother with learning the start-up for now, but take off landing, and weapon systems I'm definitely going to get on.

Hilariously I just tried to bring her in and as I touched down on the runway literally exploded in fire and laughter at what a god awful first attempt. Funny cause when I was bringing her in I was thinking oh these modern jets land themselves!  I wasnt even looking at my airspeed!

 

 

LOL  wait till you try some carrier landings. I have got them down pat now, but took my quite some time.

Just remember to control all your pitch alignment with the throttle.

Edited June 6, 2018 by dburne

[Wolf8312]

37 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

The G limit of the Hornet is very low in game. Currently it's around 6.5G in most situations with an absolute max of 7.5G that's only reachable briefly in very specific circumstances. This gives the illusion of a bus when it's possibly the single most nimble jet in the game. The thing is, you have to get the speed down so you aren't hitting that G limiter. The Hornet will do a serious bat turn below 300 knots. Given the high power to weight ratio, this often means cutting power and popping the airbrake when doing ground attack. Even in a dogfight, I find myself spending most of the time at mil power instead of AB.

 

Thanks thats a very interesting explanation!

40 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

LOL  wait till you try some carrier landings. I have got them down pat now, but took my quite some time.

Just remember to control all your pitch alignment with the throttle.

 

Haha yeah I've got a feeling my first carrier landings will be more akin to the japanese arrival at pear harbour!

[Wolf8312]

Flight model is incredible but I gotta say in DCS the jetseat is so god damned realistic feeling now. Not sure if simshaker has had updates, but fly to close to the ground and you actually feel the ground whooshing past you. Little things like feeling the landing gear go up, bombs being released, stalls or turbulance (cannons etc) really do make a big difference in terms of immersion. Its a very good invention.

 

Really wish BOS devs would work together with the jetseat. I think as VR becomes more popular the product itself will be in much greater demand, but JS are faced with the problem of their product not being plug and play but requiring developer assistance.

 

Jetseat support is a massive plus in DCS's favor though, if you have VR and havent tried it, trust me it takes things to the next level, and is hard to fly without once you've tried it!  

[BOO]

On ‎6‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 5:57 PM, CanadaOne said:

I'm still ******* fuming that Steam screwed up my Persian Gulf map purchase and then deleted my Nevada map in the process. Now I'm stuck downloading another 30GB just to get the NTTR map back. I have a 160 GB a month net limit, and between downloading the un-installable Persian Gulf map and having to re-install Nevada, that's a big fat chunk of my net usage right there.

 

And I like how Steam accepted my payment in two-seconds flat, but says it could be two-weeks to have the refund on my credit card.

 

Groan....

 

One thing about buying BOX through this site - it has always installed easily and flawlessly.

Canada - just use EDs native downloader - at the snail paced rate that thing works id doubt it could max you 160GB if it ran for a whole month!!

 

Sure you wont get the map fast but think of the hours of fun to be had trying to work out how much the geologically slow green bar has moved in the past hour/day/week!!

[303_Bies]

15 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

The G limit of the Hornet is very low in game. Currently it's around 6.5G in most situations with an absolute max of 7.5G that's only reachable briefly in very specific circumstances.

In A-A confighuration you can override this limiter by 33% and you are allowed to 10G for your own risk.

[Tuesday]

Or pull the breakers on the FCS to turn it off completely - that'll let you pull way past 6.5Gs.

[Monostripezebra]

Who cares for the hornets, when you can have wonderful Mig feelings.

 

 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Monostripezebra

[Trooper117]

Mig 21, perfect fit for that tunnel... bet that capitalist Hornet gangster plane could not do it!

Edited June 8, 2018 by Trooper117

[BeastyBaiter]

Fly with folded wings maybe?

[Wolf8312]

This seems like good news...

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2018-06-08_WWIINews/

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

This seems like good news...

 

Thats’ DCS history in a nutshell.

 

[Jade_Monkey]

DCS added clipped wing Spit IX with more options for external fuel tanks.

 

Normandy map is also getting a small update.

 

I don't own any but I find it interesting.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3522898&postcount=145

 

 

Edit: oops just saw wolf's post

Edited June 8, 2018 by Jade_Monkey

[BOO]

4 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

This seems like good news...

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2018-06-08_WWIINews/

 

29 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

DCS added clipped wing Spit IX with more options for external fuel tanks.

 

Normandy map is also getting a small update.

 

I don't own any but I find it interesting.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3522898&postcount=145

 

 

Edit: oops just saw wolf's post

 Anything for DCS WW2 is welcome but the "Free" references stick in the craw a little

 

One "Free" update to the map fixes some - not all and certainly not the biggest - bugz and inaccuracies

 

The other "Free" update to the asset pack adds some stuff that previously has been mooted as coming along in time anyhow - there's nothing there that isn't anything but what should already be there in a very sparse bit of paid DLC- and theres still a lot that isn't. 

 

I am going to be cautious since it could just have been fan rumour but wasn't the spit also supposed to come with a campaign in the module?

 

Anyhow its sommat but the wording in the announcement smacks of us WW2 suckers possibly being softened up for more paid DLC "Asset pack plus" instead of what was originally promised. If that does happen it certainly puts pay to ED's line about the WW2 packs being charged for separately just in case Jonny Jet Boy didn't want them but wanted the map. 

 

In short the phrase "added in time" seems to be morphing from the initial releases implied "added to THIS pack in time" to something else. I await the announcement of the £30 WW2 airborne Asset pack and its rationale of being separated in the interests of customers not interested in seeing more aircraft in a FLIGHT SIM.

 

 

[Monostripezebra]

13 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Fly with folded wings maybe?

 

I haven´t gotten the Hornet yet.. but I think that might be well worth a try.