DCS

[Gambit21]

3 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

OH my God, Oh my Gosh, OH MY OH MY OH MY!! Large concrete airport complexes!!! Oh Joy! Oh Joy! OH JOY!!! Someone pinch me...someone change my shorts I'm crapping my pants right now...seriously am I dreaming? Is this real? LARGE CONCRETE AIRPORT COMPLEXES? REALLY? It's all I care about, all that I love and adore. Concrete + Large = me crapping my pants., and I mean right this second. Now I can use a simplistic editor AND...AND taxi on concrete...all day, every day, it's pretty much what I'll be doing. Someone go buy me some Depends so that I don't have to get up and miss a single SECOND of these large complex, concrete airport complexes that I've been wishing for for so long...so long.... I mean...REALLY? If I'm dreaming, don't wake me up! Yes, wake me up...no DON'T!!!

 

What I"m saying is....LARGE CONCRETE.....AIRPORTS. THEY'RE LARGE...AND, THEY'RE CONCRETE EVERYONE.

 

Glad you got your wish buddy.

 

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[CanadaOne]

I see the acid kicked in.

 

Listen to King Crimson on the way down. It makes for a soft, smooth landing.

[Gambit21]

 

...sorry, couldn't resist. All your posts about hoping for "large, complex, concrete airports and I can't help but be happy for you now. LOL

That video does look incredible though.

 

 

3 hours ago, BFBunny said:

I really wish DCS had started a train of thought and finished it.

 

I think just about all of us share that exact sentiment.

I bought and played Flanker 2.0, bought Lock On (huge disappointment), so skipped FC and finally purchased the Dora trusting in a cohesive/semi-complete WWII scenario to fly it in.

Fool me once. It's a mistake I thankfully only made with a single aircraft purchase. From where I sit the product line never really attained what it promised from a performance/content perspective. That MiG looks amazing, so does the MiG 15...incredible in fact.

 

Like I said before, if ED announced Korea today,  Jason and 1C could announce it in 3 years and easily beat them there, and with more content to boot.

Maybe they're catching on that the 777, BoX detail level hits immersion/content production sweet spot...or maybe I'm giving them too much credit again.

[BeastyBaiter]

Too much credit Gambit. They make what sells and I suspect they sold plenty of spits. It's also why ED keeps making fantasy maps. Why bother with one that fits the game (e.g. northern Persian Gulf) when you can slap together a mostly water map that's only ever had 1 "air battle" (USN destroyer vs commercial airliner) in the entire history of human aviation and still have a ton of people buy it. Or alternatively, you can make a Nevada map to cover the unlikely event of Nevada and Utah ever decide to go at it. Hell, even the Caucuses map was originally made prior to the mid 2000's Russia-Georgia war.

 

You know what, I take back everything I just wrote. Russia and Georgia went to war a few years after that map was made, Russia retook Crimea from Ukraine (LOMAC map), the USA is probably going to invade Iran under Trump... it's only a matter of time before Utah and Nevada decide to settle things once and for all.

 

5 hours ago, Ishtaru said:

Im not sure but there is a setting for ww2 planes. Rudder assist or was it ground assist? Maybe that is the problem with "on rails" here?

 

Nah, never had that setting activated. And when I say straight line, I mean 0 rudder input and it travels perfectly straight regardless of power setting. The instant the tail wheel lifts up, the FM suddenly changes and then it has engine torque. This was the situation as of maybe a year or two ago with the Fw-190D9, Bf-109K4 and P-51D. I haven't touched them since, so maybe they've changed. But I bought them on super discount for $12, $12 and $6 respectively a fair while after release if memory serves. And I think that was more or less the full price at the time, they were always in the 75% or more off category.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Nothing wrong with concrete I'd say. Germans built in past highways (and Atlantic wall), French built Maginot line and Russians ... well, Russians built something out of it as well I'm sure  

Persian Gulf (whatever fictional scenarios you think of) gives a great looking terrain with very good performance. And scenarios ? Yes, there probably will be a few fictional campaigns. But with upcoming Tomcat and Phantom, as well as, already existing aircraft, you can recreate fairly accurately Iranian Air Force. So at least semi-realistic scenarios are possible. 

 

As for tail-draggers. I've been flying DCS P-51 for the past ... 4 years. I cant say a bad word about it. To be fair, flight models arent that different from BoS, though for me they are more precise in control. But thats just my experience. On the other hand feeback and outside effects are better in BoX. But I had and still have tons of fun with it. Cant say the same about P-40 when 1941 scenarios are so rare and most fly on "realistic and historical" WoL. Until P-51D, K-4 and D-9 hit BoX I dont think there is much  to compare. For now one can try with Spitfire.

 

What makes me wonder is if Mosquito is a single move towards ww2 or there will actually be something to follow. 

[BeastyBaiter]

Some actual news from today's newsletter:

 

Eagle Dynamics and Belsimtek
“We've been silent for a while and want to announce a new exciting change. Eagle Dynamics has been working hand in hand with Belsimtek for many years and together we have succeeded in creating some well-known products in the flight simulation community that we hope you enjoy. With the intent of further developing this success we have decided to align and strengthen our brand image under one banner, Eagle Dynamics. The team will remain unchanged and under the same leadership we are confident of delivering great new products to you. With the F-16C block 50, Mi-24P, AH-1S Huey Cobra and F-4E in the development pipeline, the future is very exciting. Together we look forward to taking Eagle Dynamics to the next level. Thank you."
The Belsimtek Team

Edited June 1, 2018 by BeastyBaiter

[CanadaOne]

Always an issue...

 

I have the Persian Gulf map in my Steam DCS inventory, listed as not installed, and for the life of me I can't seem to figure out how to install it.

 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

EDIT: Figures, 10 seconds after I write the post the thing starts installing. Oy vey!

Edited June 2, 2018 by CanadaOne

[DD_Arthur]

There's going to be an F-4E - a Phantom?  I didn't know that

 

I don't suppose anyone has a link to the rather confusing DCS forum for that?

[BeastyBaiter]

News post: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3510410&postcount=144

 

F-4E announcement from last year: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3278678&postcount=1

[Gambit21]

55 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

There's going to be an F-4E - a Phantom?  I didn't know that

 

YES!

Do you get a Vietnam map or a MiG 17?

NO!

You can play solo Thunderbird or pretend that you're the Great Santini flying an airshow with no crowd though - that should be fun.

 

...and yes I know how widely used the F4 was. 

Seriously ED - make an airshow venue on the Vegas map already FFS.

[DD_Arthur]

Yeah, I get all that.

 

Got any links?

[BeastyBaiter]

Already posted links, that said, RAZBAM is working on the MiG-19P. Linky: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207593

[CanadaOne]

Fume! Rant! Rave! 

 

Frickin' useless Steam. Downloaded the map but then it refused to install no matter what I did. Then Steam, in its infinite electronic wisdom, decided to uninstall my Nevada map(!) as an added bonus - just to promote my peace of mind - and now it wants to download another 30GB file which would be the Persian Gulf map that I had just downloaded. I guess it erased that as well.

 

**** em. Asked for a refund.

 

Thank God I didn't buy BOX through Steam.

[BeastyBaiter]

Heh, never had an issue with steam like that but I've never bought a flight sim there either.

[DD_Arthur]

23 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Already posted links, 

 

Ooops, sorry BB.  I must open my eyes more often.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

xD even i don't like the F18 hype. This one is really really good.

 

 

[Wolf8312]

5 hours ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

xD even i don't like the F18 hype. This one is really really good.

 

 

 

 

Even in the promotional videos you can see there is something wrong with the shadows. This same effect also seems to happen near water lines, and especially on night maps though not sure if its related to the lighting problems.

 

9 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Too much credit Gambit. They make what sells and I suspect they sold plenty of spits. It's also why ED keeps making fantasy maps. Why bother with one that fits the game (e.g. northern Persian Gulf) when you can slap together a mostly water map that's only ever had 1 "air battle" (USN destroyer vs commercial airliner) in the entire history of human aviation and still have a ton of people buy it. Or alternatively, you can make a Nevada map to cover the unlikely event of Nevada and Utah ever decide to go at it. Hell, even the Caucuses map was originally made prior to the mid 2000's Russia-Georgia war.

 

You know what, I take back everything I just wrote. Russia and Georgia went to war a few years after that map was made, Russia retook Crimea from Ukraine (LOMAC map), the USA is probably going to invade Iran under Trump... it's only a matter of time before Utah and Nevada decide to settle things once and for all.

 

 

I think thats just the way it is with modern flight sims. You cant really be making a map that depicts a real war in a real place, as it would be disrespectful and politically insensitive to the people and nations involved. I may be wrong but my guess is they chose to avoid any controversy that might arise from choosing real world locations where actual people fought and died.

 

I like the DCS maps though, with the possible exception of normandy (for which i will reserve judgement) I have never regretted buying one. Vegas, Caucasus and gulf maps, are all must have's in my opinion!

 

 

[BeastyBaiter]

Oh I have NTTR and Hormuz too, but I really wish they'd stick to something historically significant. I'd agree on the politics side except they did make the Hormuz map.

[Wolf8312]

58 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Oh I have NTTR and Hormuz too, but I really wish they'd stick to something historically significant. I'd agree on the politics side except they did make the Hormuz map.

 

I guess. Maybe its because the gulf of persia (strait of Hormuz) is a little more vague than say an explicit iran or iraq map?

 

I dont know but I do know they are wary of politics which is why on both forums political discussion is against the rules!

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Wolf8312

[dburne]

11 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

 

Nah, never had that setting activated. And when I say straight line, I mean 0 rudder input and it travels perfectly straight regardless of power setting. The instant the tail wheel lifts up, the FM suddenly changes and then it has engine torque. This was the situation as of maybe a year or two ago with the Fw-190D9, Bf-109K4 and P-51D. I haven't touched them since, so maybe they've changed. But I bought them on super discount for $12, $12 and $6 respectively a fair while after release if memory serves. And I think that was more or less the full price at the time, they were always in the 75% or more off category.

 

I can assure you that is most definitely not the case today. Especially in the Spit ( main plane I fly), so really can not comment on the others.

I personally think they have somewhat overdone it in the Spit ground handling, as it is such a handful in both take offs and landings.

One certainly could not take off with 0 rudder input in the Spit.

 

I am way more competent in the IL-2 Spit in ground handling. 

 

[nirvi]

47 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

I guess. Maybe its because the gulf of persia (strait of Hormuz) is a little more vague than say an explicit iran or iraq map?

 

I dont know but I do know they are wary of politics which is why on both forums political discussion is against the rules!

 

On the other hand, a map of Syria and Afghanistan are already in development by ED. 

[9./JG27golani79]

Isnt it contract work by the company who also created Normandy and haven't touched it in ages because they are busy with the new map?

[BOO]

29 minutes ago, 9./JG27golani79 said:

Isnt it contract work by the company who also created Normandy and haven't touched it in ages because they are busy with the new map?

URGRA media - a company with less public information than a CIA front and like Belsimtek, ED by any other name. 

 

Still, given their incredible (or is that inept) implementation of the trees and colours and accuracy of a temperate climate, large featureless barren desert areas may just be within their capability. Just don't fly low in case there's some fps sapping scrub. 

[Lusekofte]

WTF..... It turns out I bought the Hornet after all ?

Actually last time I thought of doing it I said, enough of buying stuff you do not fly. 

I must have had a reaction to my common sense and bought it sleepwalking

 

 

 

[Wolf8312]

DCS may have its fault but just took the Mirage for a spin up above Dubai and wow, credit where its due, they really did a fantastic job!

[dburne]

If you guys have not yet, load up the F/A-18C theme for DCS and have a listen, some pretty good music there.

[Archie]

I actually like DCS just for 'flying' the Combat bit doesn't really bother me, I have BoX for that. Plus I have nowhere near enough time to actually learn the systems. 
Just sitting in a MiG 15, or 21, or the Hornet in VR gives me enough of a wow factor.

I do regret buying in to the WW2 modules though, DCS should stick to what it does best, jets and helo's.

[THERION]

4 hours ago, 6./ZG76_Archie said:

I actually like DCS just for 'flying' the Combat bit doesn't really bother me, I have BoX for that. Plus I have nowhere near enough time to actually learn the systems. 
Just sitting in a MiG 15, or 21, or the Hornet in VR gives me enough of a wow factor.

I do regret buying in to the WW2 modules though, DCS should stick to what it does best, jets and helo's.

100% agreed! DCS <-> WW2 = not a good idea to me.

[Lusekofte]

Well I actually like the P 51 and Spit in DCS, for the flying

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I like them both for flying and combat. And D-9. Its easy to fly but hard to combat effectively. 

[Lusekofte]

Ye the D9, I forgot about that bird, what a beaut. Very good view. I think I will fly it over Dubai ? 

Long time since I flew it

[Field-Ops]

The one thing I appreciate DCS for doing is despite not having an environment to combat the WWII birds properly at least we have an everlasting record of what they are in a nearly tangible form. For that I am grateful that some history is preserved of some birds that one day may never fly again and for some that already dont fly today.

[Wolf8312]

11 hours ago, 6./ZG76_Archie said:

I actually like DCS just for 'flying' the Combat bit doesn't really bother me, I have BoX for that. Plus I have nowhere near enough time to actually learn the systems. 
Just sitting in a MiG 15, or 21, or the Hornet in VR gives me enough of a wow factor.

 

Yeah I know what you mean! Although I do like to fly combat, its much more casual with little scenarios I create via the mission editior, the purpose being to see how many things I can kill (ussually ground targets) before being killed myself. This is mainly because with VR I tend to avoid campaign missions that will only end up dissapointing me performance wise (some modules perform better than others in VR) but I agree, it's enough to just be sat in a jet, to swing in from the edge of space and rocket down into the city, blasting through skyscrapers and buildings tempting death, is definately worth the price of admission alone! One thing I still havent really learned properly is how to dogfight in a jet!   

[InProgress]

DCS just rised prices on steam right before incoming sale... and thinking i was considering buying some modules, goess not anymore. Scamming customers...

[nirvi]

15 minutes ago, InProgress said:

DCS just rised prices on steam right before incoming sale... and thinking i was considering buying some modules, goess not anymore. Scamming customers...

This was announced back in january. 

[InProgress]

18 minutes ago, nirvi said:

This was announced back in january. 

Where? Somewhere deep on their forum? Where 1% of customers is? They put info on steam only after people noticed it and put negative reviews about it. For me it does not matter how much they charge for their stuff, point is, rising price just before sale (which does not seem like coincidence) and not making a big deal of it, putting announcements on steam, website, pin topic on steam forum so people will know, even give info on steam store.

 Now this feel like, lets rise a price, give info on forum that most people wont see (because most people who play game is not going to camp on forum and read everything devs write) and hope that no one will notice? But we put little info on our forum so we have an argument to defend.

 

Deliberate action or incompetence, won't change a fact that this was a bad move. Bodenplatte cost more, but it was put like this and price did not rise during pre order. If they would give big info "price will change on X day and will rise up to XX$" no one would mind.

Edited June 3, 2018 by InProgress

[Field-Ops]

It was mentioned in more than one recent DCS trailer for starters

[Wolf8312]

Developer himself wrote-

wagmatt  [developer] Posted: 3 Ju

The price increase had nothing to do with any sale. It is soley based on the massive update / improvements to DCS World 2.5. As you may be aware, the DCS World 2.5 base product is freeware, and income is only generated from DLC. As such, with the huge financial investment to improve the free DCS World 2.5 base product, we had to move a handful of DLC products back to their original prices to help finance the DCS World 2.5 improvements.

Thanks

 

I think that's fair enough to be honest. You gotta rememeber too that these days a significant portion of their customers only ever buy the modules or terrains when they go on sale. They should just do away with them entirely if its going to lead to people review bombing them on steam!

 

People act like these sales are something they are entitled to, but at the end of the day it's their product, and they are free to set prices whenever and to whatever they like. They are entitled not to even have a sale! There are people on the factorio forums who make posts like 'no sale no buy' because the devs refuse to even have a sale! Game is a fricking masterpiece and cheap!

 

For myself I'd recommend buy less modules! I have so many that I dont have nearly enough time to learn even one of them properly, let alone all those that I bought on sale!

 

Review bombing DCS on steam for this reason is also disgusting (not accusing you OP). Really pisses me off going on there, whether it be for DCS or BOS, as most of the negative reviews are all for exactly such utterly irrelevent reasons. I want more planes (like 8 isnt enough), it sucks (he's playing on a keyboard), the price is too high (ITS A SMIULATOR), I cant get it to work (classic), or the game performance (his computer) is terrible!  

[dburne]

Yeah that is my problem too, I have bought so many modules when they were on sale that I know I will never have time to get around to learning all of them.

[Lusekofte]

Worst part is , after flying the K 50 Havoc for many many hours I have forgotten it in such degree that I cannot remember how I assigned the buttons for it. I remember the startup procedure , but not the weapons. I ´flown MI 8 for so long that the same problem surfaced now when I fired up the Huey, can't remember squat. So learned at one time do not mean you can do it forever. 

I am pretty good at the MI8 , but now I find myself on very thin ice when it comes to fine maneuvering the Huey