DCS

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Anyone with MiG-21 flying it online ?

I know the FPS drop issue persists and causes many not to take MiG-21 for a spin (and flares issue as well).

Could you give a try to this: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3331869#post3331869 and leave some feedback. I've tried and dont drop FPS anymore but more people confirming it would help. 

[Finkeren]

It is stalled as some data required is missing.

That is exactly the point where you have to make stuff up. You can’t expect to always have 100% complete source material, when trying to recreate the past. Sooner or later you will have to extrapolate or use your imagination.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Hiro, I don't have the -21 just yet so I can't comment. I will try that fix once I give it a whirl though, and report back whenever that is.

[Feathered_IV]

That is exactly the point where you have to make stuff up. You can’t expect to always have 100% complete source material, when trying to recreate the past. Sooner or later you will have to extrapolate or use your imagination.

 

Exactly! 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The thing is because DCS is referred to as a harcore full realistic flight simulator many people question stuff to be 100% authentic and demand explainations/changes according to their view or data. With nothing to prove their implementation of things right there's little to back them up and people can argue against them at will. Also it would compromise product equality since most systems of other aircraft are well ressearched and developed.

 

As sad as it is, ED's own strives have brought them right here.

Edited December 22, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Finkeren]

That makes no sense what so ever. There are always going to be details that will remain unknown, and it is perfectly fine to fill out the gaps with extrapolation and/or educated guesswork. They’re not writing an academic publication, they are making a historically based product of entertainment.

 

This sounds like a poor excuse to be perfectly honest.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Unfortunately lots of the players are hard-core pendants who will definitely cause a scandal as long as they can find something not to spec.

[Finkeren]

Unfortunately lots of the players are hard-core pendants who will definitely cause a scandal as long as they can find something not to spec.

But that’s not what we are talking about here. If there is no source material for the given aspect of modeling, how are the pedants gonna claim that it’s ‘not to spec.’?

 

In fact: When filling a gap in our knowledge, the developer can do it in such a way as to make the rest of the model conform to spec. so it should actually make the job easier.

[Gambit21]

Yep, and there are flying examples...a number of them in fact.

So the information is not truly lost.

 

The problem is getting the owners/museums who are in possession of these artifacts give you time of day and lend some help.

[Finkeren]

As a historian I have worked at and with museums many many times. I have never met a curator who wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to help out the developers of a project like DCS and take time out of his/her day to make sure, they got every bit of information they needed.

[Monostripezebra]

I ve tried some fun things lately.. but sadly the weaponizing of cargo is a bit disapointing in DCS:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxCa5b-V-X8

[Gambit21]

As a historian I have worked at and with museums many many times. I have never met a curator who wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to help out the developers of a project like DCS and take time out of his/her day to make sure, they got every bit of information they needed.

As a historian who has also worked with museums - I can tell you it's not always that simple.

They're not all cut from the same mold, and they don't always even return a phone call.

Edited December 24, 2017 by Gambit21

[CanadaOne]

Two historians who have worked in museums right in this thread? Pretty impressive.

 

There should be a bottle of scotch out during your conversations.

[Lusekofte]

Well I actually need to go to ED forum and make a Bug report. AI in MI 8 campaign shutting down engine after collecting troops for deployment after latest patch, rendering Spring campaign useless, witch is a shame, it is a good campaign. But you often fly wingman and depend on AI

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well I actually need to go to ED forum and make a Bug report. AI in MI 8 campaign shutting down engine after collecting troops for deployment after latest patch, rendering Spring campaign useless, witch is a shame, it is a good campaign. But you often fly wingman and depend on AI

I observed the same with the UH-1 in the Mirage 2000C campaign. The Huey lands in the hot zone, but shuts off instead (inevitably being blown to bits).

[Danziger]

Since it's on sale I finally caved and bought the Mi-8MTV. I really like it. I also get way better fps than with the MiG-21bis and AJS-37 Viggen. I think I will still wait for the new Caucasus map because flying a Russian helicopter over Las Vegas just feels wrong.

[161snails]

What gets me sometimes with people questioning DEvs over this and that flight Model inaccuracy is how many of them have ever flown in the aircraft they question? I’d say about less than 1% and even if they have you will never get the same forces applied to the body sat in front of your screen/pit no matter how much money you throw at it. You will never turn a flight envelope on a piece of paper into a 100% accurate flight sim model on screen.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

I also get way better fps than with the MiG-21bis and AJS-37 Viggen.

 

Friday patch carried another update to collision model which improved performance. It seems it did not remove the issue entirely but improvement was more than noticeable and is confirmed by feedback on forums. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Can confirm, Hiromachi. My modest PC had no problems with a vic of MiG-21s, good frames and good looks

[Lusekofte]

Since it's on sale I finally caved and bought the Mi-8MTV. I really like it. I also get way better fps than with the MiG-21bis and AJS-37 Viggen. I think I will still wait for the new Caucasus map because flying a Russian helicopter over Las Vegas just feels wrong.

Normally I would deeply and hartfully reccomend you to dl Caucasus map and buy the Oilfield campaign, but latest patch might have rendered it useless, I have not yet tried it after the patch. But standard campaign witch is good too , is corrupt due to AI stopping engine when landing during missions where they suppose to take off again. The MI 8 is the best chopper of them all, I regard the rest as fun brakes inbetween

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I wonder if I should buy Nevada ... considering upcoming merge of versions 2.5 will have a new Caucasus and Normandy that I already have, so what purpose exactly would Nevada serve ?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I bought it yesterday, but I might hold until the merge to install it.

 

My rationale is that if you're into exercises like Red Flag or CRUZEX, or civilian flying, it has a big range of massive airfields fit for all kinds of operations if you let your imagination help. The F-5 dynamic campaign by MBot also prompted me to buy it.

Edited December 25, 2017 by 216th_Lucas_From_Hell

[Hoots]

I got the harrier and I have to say it's rather brilliant, haven't spent a lot of time in dcs and when I do it's usually circuits and bumps as they're good fun in the aircraft. The harrier is probably the first one that's got me immersed enough to worK out how to ground pound, probably cos it's dead easy. Flight model seems ok and playing with the nozzles and vstol is a whole new area. Up here with the Huey in terms of lasting interest.

[Lusekofte]

I reccomend no one to buy anything they can´t afford, if it is not for aa girl or something important. Buying Nevada map is the one thing keep me flying in DCS , nothing better for choppers. And the desert is good for many modern combat scenarios. 

If anyone see no reason for buying it, I se no reason for them to do so

[Guest deleted@30725]

I reccomend no one to buy anything they can´t afford, if it is not for aa girl or something important. Buying Nevada map is the one thing keep me flying in DCS , nothing better for choppers. And the desert is good for many modern combat scenarios. 

If anyone see no reason for buying it, I se no reason for them to do so

 

Spot on. The content is available for purchase, it's personal choice whether you buy it, no one forcing you, making you buy it and DCS doesn't really promise a whole lot even if we, the buying public end up over expecting. DCS is a simulator first and a game second so you've got to actually like virtual flying, have an interest in aircraft and have the time to master one or two planes. There is no expectation or need to buy EVERYTHING and I don't think you loose out by one having one or two aircraft. Could easily just buy the a10c (for example) and become an expert in the systems and never fly anything else. Collect just helicopters if that is your interest or become a master at the free frogfoot plane. Just because it's there, doesn't mean you have to have it. Self control people and be smart. The customer is in control of their purchases and these planes are offered at a price the creators think is worth their time dev costs. They're no expecting or demanding anyone spend their life savings on their game.

[Monostripezebra]

Well.. after all the forum hype, I bought the Harrier yesterday for christmas.. and unfortunately my verdict would be: Don´t buy it just yet.. the current FM is absolutely arcady BS.. the harrier is the most stable and good natured creature that makes a real Chessna 150 look like a bitchy beast. I don´t think that is quite right. No Stalls, no nose drops, no wing drops, no spins..

 

second flight, I made a vid

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkXu58vtr58

[Lusekofte]

And for the merge, I do not think it will be more expencive after it happened . I heard about this merge for ages. Threre is some reports that Caucasus map is start to be in the ending of its upgrade. But how long is it to do the end. No ones know. These things isnot worth even thinking of, not waiting for. It will be a very frustrating wait

LOL zebra, I bought it already, but not tried it yet. Thx for the heads up I think I wait until it is fixed then

[Guest deleted@30725]

Well.. after all the forum hype, I bought the Harrier yesterday for christmas.. and unfortunately my verdict would be: Don´t buy it just yet.. the current FM is absolutely arcady BS.. the harrier is the most stable and good natured creature that makes a real Chessna 150 look like a bitchy beast. I don´t think that is quite right. No Stalls, no nose drops, no wing drops, no spins..

 

second flight, I made a vid

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkXu58vtr58

 

Looked like you were flying the huey.

[Monostripezebra]

Looked like you were flying the huey.

 

I was just using the VFR-Landing quick mission.. After some more testing, the flight with inclinded nozzles does get more challenging and exciting with more weight on.  The emtier it is, the more boring. With that quick mission loadout, it indeed flies like a helicopter. However normal horziontal flight regime with nozzles straight aft is completly unsatisfactory and just runs on rails, you can not stall out, spin or otherwise make it leave the controled envelope just yet. The FM really needs more work to be convincing.

Edited December 25, 2017 by Monostripezebra

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Is anyone having trouble with the ground collision modelling of the MiG-21? It sort of bounces, the gear can break but the aircraft itself is invulnerable.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yeah, same thing was reported on ED forums. It's being investigated but its Christmas so it may take a few days for a fix. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Not a big deal at all, my goal is to get the landings perfected to a point where I don't quite test the damage model during them

 

Fun aircraft, stupidly fast and rewards that but landing at 320km/h is tricky business.

[scram77]

Is it worth getting the Normandy map and spit in the sale?

[Guest deleted@30725]

Is it worth getting the Normandy map and spit in the sale?

Why not, if you have the free money. Not going to get it much cheaper if you want it.

[Urra]

Is it worth getting the Normandy map and spit in the sale?

It will never be cheaper. Especially with ground pack included. I just picked another one up to be able to host server. Just be sure to register and buy for second account before getting the second copy.

Edited December 26, 2017 by TunaEatsLion

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well, its important for everything else except for landing so in that sense its urgent for us.

 

That's a great attitude to have.

 

I'm looking forward to life aboard the big silver rocket, it seems I have a thing for interceptors Trying to chase a Tiger at 10000m, mach 1.5 at night (great fun, highly recommended), the bugger dove for the deck so I tried to follow... BAM. Uh-oh. BAM. The RPM needle told me what I already knew: compressor stall. Unfortunately for me I had only skimmed over the engine relight procedures because "I ain't getting any of those, I know how to fly this properly" so I punched out.

 

My impression of the MiG-21 so far is interesting. It's the epitome of the classic Cold War interceptor - tricky to fly, built around a big engine, stupidly fast, meant to fly at very high altitudes and perfect for seamless ground control/pilot integration. So long as someone points the way, the MiG-21 pilot will intercept the target on time and put a swift end to it without much trouble. In more fluid situations like the average front-line engagement, it also holds its own very well but the technique required is very dependent on the enemies encountered. Against the F-5 for example it cannot do much in a tight dogfight, but the smart -21 pilot can use its speed and SARH missiles to make hit-and-run attacks and prevent the Tiger from getting a shot. As soon as that speed is lost however, the F-5 will be all over the MiG-21 so the key is to stay fast and minimise the stay inside the enemy's WEZ (easy to do against the AIM-9B, a nightmare if the AIM-9P-5 is around).

[Tuesday]

My brother bought me the F86 Sabre for Christmas, can't wait to try it out when I'm home.  I really love the MiG15 so looking forward to flying this one too in the Korea 1952! server. 

 

I've been Googling a bit but if anybody has any recommendations for Sabre or MiG15 reading/viewing, would love to hear it.

[Monostripezebra]

My brother bought me the F86 Sabre for Christmas, can't wait to try it out when I'm home.  I really love the MiG15 so looking forward to flying this one too in the Korea 1952! server. 

 

I've been Googling a bit but if anybody has any recommendations for Sabre or MiG15 reading/viewing, would love to hear it.

 

Well the obvious is James Salter with "the hunters" and movie adaptation with Robert Mitchum. both pretty good. For the more silly mood: Howard Hughes "Jet Pilot" is true airplane porn.

 

 

 

Also, lets hope for an exciting 2018 in DCS:

Edited December 26, 2017 by Monostripezebra

[Jade_Monkey]

Also, lets hope for an exciting 2018 in DCS:

 

 

Maybe that will help them build 2.5 faster!

 

Anyone tried the DCS Spitfire Epsom campaign?

 

I'm curious but having to get 4 separate items just to play the campaign is a bit appalling:

1. Normandy map
2. WWII asset pack
3. Spitfire plane
4. Campaign

The asset pack is not listed as a requirement in the Steam page for the campaign but I can't imagine playing the campaign without them. Is it an omission?

[Danziger]

Are there no training/tutorial missions on 2.0 for the Mi-8?