DCS

[Art-J]

About DLAA vs TLAA, preference will also be dependent on the aircraft one flies the most. After testing both AA options a bit more today I can see neither copes well with object shaking/vibrations.

 

Standing in P-51 on the apron with engine running, I've noticed that at 1050'ish RPM, when the instrument panel starts shaking from resonance, with DLAA the instruments turn into jelly: gauge pointers become something between rubber dildo and a noodle, while all dots, digits, arc and markings start shaking independently of each other. Looks quite funny, actually. Using TLAA is even worse, because even though jelly-effect is reduced, the rampant ghosting kicks in, which turns white gauge markings into half-grey, blurry mess.

 

Granted, nobody sits in Mustang at 1050 RPM for too long and in every other "non-vibrating" phase of flight such gfx glitches won't be visible, but I wonder how things look when flying helicopters - their instrument panels tend to shake all the time. Will test Mi-8 later today, as it's the only DCS chopper I own.

 

Guys flying jets won't notice any of it at all.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Art-J

[BOO]

3 hours ago, Art-J said:

About DLAA vs TLAA, preference will also be dependent on the aircraft one flies the most. After testing both AA options a bit more today I can see neither copes well with object shaking/vibrations.

 

Standing in P-51 on the apron with engine running, I've noticed that at 1050'ish RPM, when the instrument panel starts shaking from resonance, with DLAA the instruments turn into jelly: gauge pointers become something between rubber dildo and a noodle, while all dots, digits, arc and markings start shaking independently of each other. Looks quite funny, actually. Using TLAA is even worse, because even though jelly-effect is reduced, the rampant ghosting kicks in, which turns white gauge markings into half-grey, blurry mess.

 

Granted, nobody sits in Mustang at 1050 RPM for too long and in every other "non-vibrating" phase of flight such gfx glitches won't be visible, but I wonder how things look when flying helicopters - their instrument panels tend to shake all the time. Will test Mi-8 later today, as it's the only DCS chopper I own.

 

Guys flying jets won't notice any of it at all.

 

I pratted around in the hip for bit - I have to say I didnt really notice any issues though I use a TV so not exactly monitor sharp. The P51 guages do blur but I didnt see the mess described above. I acutally quite liked the effect TBH and it really is only a transient thing in any case. Better this I think than shimmering scenery. This screenshot is taken using DLAA. 

 

 

So far the only downside for me had been that some of the USN carrier mods I previously built templates around crash the game when the new S3 is introduced.. I suspect its the VSN Prowler mod given its use of the old S3 assets but cant be sure. Every time I vow never to use community mods but everytime I find the scenes too sparse without them and go crawling back......   Seems there is some issue when edititing nissions made in 2.8 in 2.9. ED are aware. 

 

I also played with the LOD slider. It doesnt seem to affect map obects as I'd hoped (although Syria seems to be improved from what I remember in that regard). 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by BOO

[Gambit21]

On 10/19/2023 at 9:44 AM, nirvi said:

 

@drewm3i-VR you were saying something about “old and broken”? ? 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

@drewm3i-VR you were saying something about “old and broken”? ? 

Yes, DCS has horrible performance, mismatched planesets, inconsistent maps, and a broken multi-player netcode.

[Lusekofte]

13 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

Yes, DCS has horrible performance, mismatched planesets, inconsistent maps, and a broken multi-player netcode.

That is bull---- from someone not bothering for more than 1 minute until giving up. 
Reason I love this game is its capabilities to create whatever environment and situation you want and as difficult as you want it in a relative short time. 
you can choose to go full in with procedures or just take off and blast stuff. 
 

Edited October 21, 2023 by LukeFF
Profanity

[Art-J]

Quite informative vid from Jabbers about the visual impact of some of the new options in 2.9, at least in their current state.

 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

9 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

That is bull---- from someone not bothering for more than 1 minute until giving up. 
Reason I love this game is its capabilities to create whatever environment and situation you want and as difficult as you want it in a relative short time. 
you can choose to go full in with procedures or just take off and blast stuff. 
 

It's not. I have hundreds of hours in DCS WW2. The DM is glitchy garbage. The FMs on some of the planes like the Spitfire are so laughably broken. The AI...LOL

 

The P51 performs like garbage because of a bug that's been there for two years. There is no API or 150 octane modeled, so the 1943/44 Allied planes are conpletely outclassed vs. the BF 109 K-4. The new Normandy map hardly looks better than the old one and has no detail in the Channel area (textures are awful). While the Channel Map is amazing (despite the fact that many features come from a post-ww2 time period), no one uses it and there are three maps covering the same area which simply shows incredible foresight and planning by ED. Online play is very limited and performance is terrible, even compared to IL-2. The graphics are great, yes. The systems modeling is great, yes, but as an overall experience, I regret investing in DCS and have the Spitfire, P-51, WW2 Assets, and all three WW2 maps. I also have a bunch of campaigns which are pretty cool until you realize you're flying against only 2 or 3 Luftwaffe planes flown by UFOs.

Edited October 21, 2023 by drewm3i-VR

[Blooddawn1942]

I don't get it. Why spend hundreds of hours with something I absolutely dislike?? 

[Guest deleted@83466]

3 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

It's not. I have hundreds of hours in DCS WW2. The DM is glitchy garbage. The FMs on some of the planes like the Spitfire are so laughably broken. The AI...LOL

 

The P51 performs like garbage because of a bug that's been there for two years. There is no API or 150 octane modeled, so the 1943/44 Allied planes are conpletely outclassed vs. the BF 109 K-4. The new Normandy map hardly looks better than the old one and has no detail in the Channel area (textures are awful). While the Channel Map is amazing (despite the fact that many features come from a post-ww2 time period), no one uses it and there are three maps covering the same area which simply shows incredible foresight and planning by ED. Online play is very limited and performance is terrible, even compared to IL-2. The graphics are great, yes. The systems modeling is great, yes, but as an overall experience, I regret investing in DCS and have the Spitfire, P-51, WW2 Assets, and all three WW2 maps. I also have a bunch of campaigns which are pretty cool until you realize you're flying against only 2 or 3 Luftwaffe planes flown by UFOs.

ever fly a jet?  I mean, maybe if you only own a Spitfire and Mustang out of all those planes, you shouldn’t  just cast aspersions over the whole thing. I happen to think their WW2 planes are pretty good, just as an airplane sim themselves. But anyway, most of the posts on this thread are actually about jets and helicopters, anyway, which I presume you aren’t in to.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, drewm3i-VR said:

The AI...LOL

Like any AI it do not come off as great. Tell me a game that do have a functional ai except old il2. 
Any other complaint you have is pretty much a summary of complaints done by bitter users on all simulators. 
Hell it is like I wrote it when in mood. 
But you did not correct me. Your initial post did look like you fired it up tried it and ditched it. 
what you do I can do against any cfs ever created. Because they all suck at something. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Guest deleted@83466]

Some guys just don’t have enough joysticks to handle a FLIR pod these days, ya know? !

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

It's not. I have hundreds of hours in DCS WW2. The DM is glitchy garbage. The FMs on some of the planes like the Spitfire are so laughably broken. The AI...LOL

 

The P51 performs like garbage because of a bug that's been there for two years. There is no API or 150 octane modeled, so the 1943/44 Allied planes are conpletely outclassed vs. the BF 109 K-4. The new Normandy map hardly looks better than the old one and has no detail in the Channel area (textures are awful). While the Channel Map is amazing (despite the fact that many features come from a post-ww2 time period), no one uses it and there are three maps covering the same area which simply shows incredible foresight and planning by ED. Online play is very limited and performance is terrible, even compared to IL-2. The graphics are great, yes. The systems modeling is great, yes, but as an overall experience, I regret investing in DCS and have the Spitfire, P-51, WW2 Assets, and all three WW2 maps. I also have a bunch of campaigns which are pretty cool until you realize you're flying against only 2 or 3 Luftwaffe planes flown by UFOs.

I could rail on IL2 if I wanted, and it would be a much longer list. 
 

Go trap the Tomcat 

[Lusekofte]

I cannot say anything about Spitfire FM , since I have not flown it much. but cannot understand the criticism against P51. It is far better than GB one. It even been reviewed by a pilot flying P 51 together with GB one. 
personally I like the P 47 but have a suspicion it is less demanding to land and take off than in real life. I really do not expect all things being spot on in any simulator. 

[SCG_Tzigy]

I think P-47warbird pilot reviewed  it, and it was pretty good, gotta find that link

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

10 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I cannot say anything about Spitfire FM , since I have not flown it much. but cannot understand the criticism against P51. It is far better than GB one. It even been reviewed by a pilot flying P 51 together with GB one. 
personally I like the P 47 but have a suspicion it is less demanding to land and take off than in real life. I really do not expect all things being spot on in any simulator. 

The P-51 FM is good. The ram air bug and lack of 150 octane makes it a liability fighting the 109 K4 and even the Dora.

20 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I could rail on IL2 if I wanted, and it would be a much longer list. 
 

Go trap the Tomcat 

I agree that IL-2 is far from perfect, but at least its faults are homogenous, balanced, and apply across the board. DCS WW2 has some things that are broken and some that are not. The result is a very imbalanced experience with no homogeneity or direction. IL-2 feels like its own world.

21 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

ever fly a jet?  I mean, maybe if you only own a Spitfire and Mustang out of all those planes, you shouldn’t  just cast aspersions over the whole thing. I happen to think their WW2 planes are pretty good, just as an airplane sim themselves. But anyway, most of the posts on this thread are actually about jets and helicopters, anyway, which I presume you aren’t in to.

That is fair, but the application itself does have major performance issues in VR. It just runs and looks terrible compared to IL-2 in that department and this was with shader mods, mod textures, etc. I did a deep dive on DCS a year or so again and gave it a fair shake. It's just too far from being complete and is more akin to a tech demo that a sim for me to go back to it, but I am always checking to see if that changes.

22 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

I don't get it. Why spend hundreds of hours with something I absolutely dislike?? 

I wanted to give it a fair shake when I was disillusioned with IL-2 and was lured in by the magnificent Channel Map. Then I realized after playing it had little to offer but slightly superior graphics and much superior effects. Now that we have the Normandy map, I have no need or desire to fly DCS. 

Edited October 22, 2023 by drewm3i-VR

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

I agree that IL-2 is far from perfect, but at least its faults are homogenous, balanced, and apply across the board

True, but I flown simulators with passion since 2001. And GB ended it. 
Something gets very tedious and boring in the long run. Probably on my end and got nothing to do with GB. But I simply can no longer do a complete campaign, hardly a mission. 
DCS I do mostly edited single missions and msfs short scenic rides. 
I am not really bored when flying them. Flying choppers in DCS, improving most of the time, never ending room for improvement , make me keep want to fly it.
I hope this new thing in GB will bring back my enthusiasm for the game

Edited October 22, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Guest deleted@83466]

You need to play Kerbal Space Program, @Lusekofte.  It can stimulate your mind during those horrible arctic winters.?

[AndyJWest]

Or maybe Lusekofte should consider stopping playing games on the PC altogether? Start writing a novel: an epic multi-volume science-fiction saga about time-travelling Vikings, looting and pillaging their way across the distant arms of the Milky Way, in relentless pursuit of wealth, fame, and exotic alien females with blue eyes, blonde hair, and an unorthodox configuration of primary and secondary reproductive organs.

 

Or maybe consider taking up knitting instead...

[Guest deleted@83466]

I hear there’s quite a market for those who can knit mug warmers, this time of year in those northern parts.

[Picchio]

11 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

The P-51 FM is good. The ram air bug and lack of 150 octane makes it a liability fighting the 109 K4 and even the Dora.

I agree that IL-2 is far from perfect, but at least its faults are homogenous, balanced, and apply across the board. DCS WW2 has some things that are broken and some that are not. The result is a very imbalanced experience with no homogeneity or direction. IL-2 feels like its own world.

That is fair, but the application itself does have major performance issues in VR. It just runs and looks terrible compared to IL-2 in that department and this was with shader mods, mod textures, etc. I did a deep dive on DCS a year or so again and gave it a fair shake. It's just too far from being complete and is more akin to a tech demo that a sim for me to go back to it, but I am always checking to see if that changes.

I wanted to give it a fair shake when I was disillusioned with IL-2 and was lured in by the magnificent Channel Map. Then I realized after playing it had little to offer but slightly superior graphics and much superior effects. Now that we have the Normandy map, I have no need or desire to fly DCS. 

 

 

[ST_Catchov]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Or maybe Lusekofte should consider

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

I wonder what is wrong with Spitfire FM? ? Maybe it is closer to real plane that you simply can't throw around without reprecussions? Or hang on a prop etc. like a helicopter..Pony is fast and again best with speed. Jug is heavy, but using speed helps a lot. 109 is a mixed bag, Anton and Dora require speed as well. Mossie I am still learning, a handfull to fly. 

 

I agree the Normandy map has outright ugly and out of place graphics in some places, looking like drawn with paint. Channel is better. Syria and Marianas I have only briefly tested, but on general look great. Some small issues on them.

 

DCS is good, performance is good on my rig. 2.9 improved it more, especially MT.

[Lusekofte]

You might Wonder why I continue flying sims. I do too until I come in situations that make me wanna leave real life in a hurry. 
Like yesterday when a customer called me angry as hell and said I had threatened him in a e mail. I still can’t see I did. But I admit I am bad in writing communication even in my own language. I now have to travel 1100 km by car just to smooth things over caused by my short blunt emails. I am worst ever office Klerk

Answer is, not yet tried any narcotics,  but flight sim let me forget real life blunders. Those giving consequences, I have not found anything else manage to take me away so far. Heroin might be my next fix. But until then I stick with this

1 hour ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

Mossie I am still learning, a handfull to fly. 

I can’t really say I like that plane. It got some odd behaviour 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Lusekofte

[dburne]

14 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

True, but I flown simulators with passion since 2001. 

 

I got ya beat.

 

App. 1988 for me - Red Baron. Before I even had a sound card. It was a hand me down PC from my bother in law.

 

[AndyJWest]

40 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I got ya beat.

 

App. 1988 for me - Red Baron. Before I even had a sound card. It was a hand me down PC from my bother in law.

 

 

1986. ?

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I hear there’s quite a market for those who can knit mug warmers, this time of year in those northern parts.

Might need some of those. Sun is slowly disappearing in the horizon won’t come back before January 20. But snow has only sporadically shown itself below tree line. It arrive later and later. But got a tendency to stick around to late May. 

on my way to island house for a week of refuge. Knowing I just bought this.  And Ah 64 is not even a favorite. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

That gives me the chills just looking at it.  Remember, if you hear a horn blow three times it means White Walkers.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Might need some of those. Sun is slowly disappearing in the horizon won’t come back before January 20. But snow has only sporadically shown itself below tree line. It arrive later and later. But got a tendency to stick around to late May. 

on my way to island house for a week of refuge. Knowing I just bought this.  And Ah 64 is not even a favorite. 

 

 

Well I suppose at least that is a great way to waste some money!

Health has been very poor last week or so, feeling some better so finally getting to check out 2.9.

Wow it is awesome, running on two threads now instead of one was a nice boost in performance. I think they plan on adding more threads as they continue. Some great graphics options in there now.

[dburne]

Some interesting testing/observations on the different AA options now in DCS 2.9.

Granted this is in VR however I would think the same holds true for monitor as well.

 

 

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Some great graphics options in there now.

 

I still hadn't quite figured out what to do with the old options!

 

 

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, dburne said:

Well I suppose at least that is a great way to waste some money!

I like flying less complex choppers. But my stick got problems with two buttons. I think it is the usb interface card that lost some of its coding. I need more buttons. I got the base with throttle and fear that it’s going to be a bit long. I like the KA 50 grip I got. It got a Huey sort of design and will be using it too

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I like flying less complex choppers. But my stick got problems with two buttons. I think it is the usb interface card that lost some of its coding. I need more buttons. I got the base with throttle and fear that it’s going to be a bit long. I like the KA 50 grip I got. It got a Huey sort of design and will be using it too

Meh…wake me when the Huey gets a facelift or the Cobra comes.

 

 

Both are needed.

[FlyinCoffin]

I think landings in Il2 are easy compared to them in DCS. But the flight modell from Il2 ww2 planes to second generation jet felt harmonic.

[Lusekofte]

29 minutes ago, FlyinCoffin said:

I think landings in Il2 are easy compared to them in DCS. But the flight modell from Il2 ww2 planes to second generation jet felt harmonic.

I Wonder if the ground handling in these sims are made on purpose or it is difficult to simulate. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

 

2 hours ago, FlyinCoffin said:

I think landings in Il2 are easy compared to them in DCS. But the flight modell from Il2 ww2 planes to second generation jet felt harmonic.

Certain physical effects of the propeller in IL-2 on the airframe seem very attenuated compared to DCS, especially on takeoff.  BF-109K is a great example of the differences between the sims.  The big torquey props on some of the DCS warbirds really announce themselves.  I can’t help but think the “harmony” you feel between IL-2 props and DCS jets like the Sabre is because the IL-2 props are more prone to the fly-on-rails impression that one might expect from a jet.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I just made my first DCS mission.  Its called "Panzer Lehr is truly f*&(ked in Normandy."

[BOO]

On 10/23/2023 at 9:46 PM, dburne said:

Some interesting testing/observations on the different AA options now in DCS 2.9.

Granted this is in VR however I would think the same holds true for monitor as well.

 

 

 

My experience on a 2D monitor (well a TV) is widly different from the conclusions drawn here. MSAA 4X makes the grass in Normandy postitively "fizz" in a manner thats akin to it being over-sharpened whilst the general look seems less together than DLAA. Im sure YMMV applies but, so far, DLAA is the winner for my needs and set up. 

 

 

[DD_Fenrir]

[nirvi]

The new animations for the Hornet Pilot during carrier takeoff look great:

 

[dburne]

Hey guys a quick update on my current situation. Have also posted this in Free Subject forum.
Cancer has now spread, was in hospital last three days. They did MRI yesterday; it is now in many places including my spine. Cancer originated in my left lung with a tumor, and also had in 5 nodes in lung). While scan did not cover my head, I suspect based on my inability to think clearly and do things that should be second nature I am pretty sure it is also in brain now.

When time comes if you see I have not posted in a week or longer - have a virtual toast for me, I know I will be in heaven with my family that preceded me - so yeah have a virtual toast remember good ole Don (dburne). Love you guys, and being a part of this forum has been a huge blessing for me.

 

Thank you gang, it has been a true honor and brought me great enjoyment for over the past 10 plus years knowing you all virtually. 

 

May God Bless you all!!

Edited October 29, 2023 by dburne