DCS

[Gambit21]

I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that I’ll only ever really fully learn a WWII aircraft or early Cold War (non push buttony) jet…or the Huey or Cobra when it comes out. I can fly an airshow demo in a Viper, but I lose interest in investing time beyond that. 

[Lusekofte]

31 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that I’ll only ever really fully learn a WWII aircraft or early Cold War (non push buttony) jet…or the Huey or Cobra when it comes out. I can fly an airshow demo in a Viper, but I lose interest in investing time beyond that. 

 

 

I own the Viper?

but I do like to fly around in it. Just when time allowed. I do however see the reason for washing out wannabes in order to get best suited pilots for them irl. 
I simply cannot avoid going into coma during tutorials on it systems

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that I’ll only ever really fully learn a WWII aircraft or early Cold War (non push buttony) jet…or the Huey or Cobra when it comes out. I can fly an airshow demo in a Viper, but I lose interest in investing time beyond that. 

 

 

 

Where's the fun in that?

[Gambit21]

15 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Where's the fun in that?

In WWII aircraft?

Or flying the Huey?

I guess not enough right now since I can’t be bothered until the Zero or Cobra comes. (maybe Corsair)

[Lusekofte]

Sitting ot a light storm on my Island house Looking out and see snow slowly coming lower and lower down the mountains,

 

 

and try to make tolerable chopper flying with my Virpil setup

I found out that using the throttle was a bad idea, but the little flap level was almost like a collective.

Now accustom to the collective I inverted the axis and my first 2 attempts I took it the wrong way after landing and crashed into the structure or sea.

While flying it seems like a good idea, but when fast movements my head seem to disagree or muzzle memory does. Flying the Huey , Hind , MI 8 is not a problem with facetracknoir and virpil system. But Gazelle proves to be a tricky one for smooth take offs. Absolutely no problems with that on my rig

[Gambit21]

22 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

 

Flying the Huey ,

 

Well that's a man chopper.

To quote Oleg, "I am laugh" at anyone having trouble hovering the Apache, mind you my own hovering of the Huey would get a laugh by some.

Although I did begin to manage some fairly good control, hovering, slowly moving under the covered parking spaces at Nellis as I think you demonstrated as well. However it requires a silly amount of concentration. I also can't manage the rapid, sort of "hockey stop" landing that I see all the time in films. Either the flight modeling still needs work, or I'm just really that bad. I use my stick throttle, can't invest in chopper controls. 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

 

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Either the flight modeling still needs work, or I'm just really that bad.

 

Well, ummm…

[AndyJWest]

Extracts from my forthcoming Zen and the Art of Fighting Helicopters:

 

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In order to fly the Huey properly, one must become one with the machine.

 

The machine in question consists of a multitude of parts all conspiring to disassemble themselves in unexpected ways.

 

In order to preserve ones Chi and/or sanity, one must therefore accept that on should never become one with the evil contraption, lest you become one with its conspiracies, and then one with the terrain.

 

Instead, learn to observe what it is doing, and learn to make it do the exact opposite, before it gets a chance to force its evil upon you. And learn to accept that you will never be the master, though with sufficient practice, and a great deal of bluffing, you may be able to convince an onlooker that whatever it actually did was intended all the time.

 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Well that's a man chopper.

To quote Oleg, "I am laugh" at anyone having trouble hovering the Apache, mind you my own hovering of the Huey would get a laugh by some.

Although I did begin to manage some fairly good control, hovering, slowly moving under the covered parking spaces at Nellis as I think you demonstrated as well. However it requires a silly amount of concentration. I also can't manage the rapid, sort of "hockey stop" landing that I see all the time in films. Either the flight modeling still needs work, or I'm just really that bad. I use my stick throttle, can't invest in chopper controls. 

 

 

In the start I only held 3 fingers om the stick while hoovering. 
Besides I am in a Facebook group for Huey and almost all active there flew hueys in Vietnam. One pilot told me all manoeuvre were done within a circle of a quarter. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’m actually pretty good with flying copters these days.  But it started with FSX many years ago, when I was getting bored, and picked up one of the payware helicopters.  And then shortly after, I picked up the UH-1 in DCS, and I SUCKED.  I bought a book on helicopter flying, and after literally hundreds of doing the 60kts/300ft/12 deg approach, I finally developed the muscle memory. TBH, if I were to jump in the UH-1 right this very moment, I’d probably not be very precise at all.

Edited October 7, 2023 by SeaSerpent
Especially since I’m 3 sheets to the wind! LOL.

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

 

Well, ummm…

My conclusion as well…no worries.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’m sitting here thinking about what I like in flight sims, by the firepit, with yet another beer, and what I really like about DCS is it’s replayability.  I can learn a plane, and then not fly it for a long time, and then rediscover it.  And there is something for everybody, at whatever level you want to approach it at, at least nowadays.  Ww2, Sabre, jet trainer, 60’s helicopter, F-15E.  So this is why I like DCS.

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’m actually pretty good with flying copters these days.  But it started with FSX many years ago, when I was getting bored, and picked up one of the payware helicopters.  And then shortly after, I picked up the UH-1 in DCS, and I SUCKED.  I bought a book on helicopter flying, and after literally hundreds of doing the 60kts/300ft/12 deg approach, I finally developed the muscle memory. TBH, if I were to jump in the UH-1 right this very moment, I’d probably not be very precise at all.

My best friend at the beach was a dustoff pilot in Vietnam.  Want me to see if he has any advice for you?  Tbh I’m pretty sure his advice would be to take up golf.

[Guest deleted@83466]

If golf had helped you, you’d be the finest DCS Huey pilot ever.?  I would most likely hit myself in the head with the golf club, so I don’t think that’s an option for me.

Edited October 7, 2023 by SeaSerpent
My balls aren’t big enough to be a dustoff pilot.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Regarding UH-1. I was pretty stunned when found out that a Vietnam war veteran lives next to us. Served as captain flying rocket/gun armed Hueys for South. Imprisoned for years after North took over and fled the day he was released from prison.World is small.

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’d probably not be very precise at all.

Depending on your standards. 
I was flying it after a two month brake in that new campaign. It pretty much sits in your fingers if flown much. A little more movement during hoover in the start. 
What really pissed me off was lawndarting it due to too fast decent in bad weather and fierce enemy fire. 3 times in a row. 
Now that is rookie fresh pilot mistake. 
The lazy engine of that thing , but still I get a feeling it might be the most authentic and realistic chopper in DCS. I really would like to hear what a real Huey pilot had to say about it

 

5 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

If golf had helped you, you’d be the finest DCS Huey pilot ever.?  I would most likely hit myself in the head with the golf club, so I don’t think that’s an option for me.

I am now following golf on TV , after a life long bad attitude against that sport. My new respect for it came when I actually tried it. 
And wisely never again trying 

[easterling77]

I'm relativly new to DCS and I went there for the Hind and - hopefully in the not so far future - the Phantom.

 

Now, I'm quite confident in flying and terrain mascing but hovering and landing still scares the shit out of me.

Hovering and landing feels to me like a constand dance on a blade - sudden death allways not far away.

 

Just a couple of minutes ago I flew the patrol mission on Caucassus map and managed to land in this tiny industrial area, smiling over my achievement?

[DD_fruitbat]

2 hours ago, easterling77 said:

I'm relativly new to DCS and I went there for the Hind and - hopefully in the not so far future - the Phantom.

 

Now, I'm quite confident in flying and terrain mascing but hovering and landing still scares the shit out of me.

Hovering and landing feels to me like a constand dance on a blade - sudden death allways not far away.

 

Just a couple of minutes ago I flew the patrol mission on Caucassus map and managed to land in this tiny industrial area, smiling over my achievement?

 

Just remember, Planes fly, Helicopters beat gravity into submission and try to kill you at every step.

 

Once you understand that, Helicopters are a lot of fun, Huey for old school, Apache for raining huge amounts of death and destruction down on the virtual world. I'm really looking forward to the Kiowa for a mix of both.

Edited October 7, 2023 by DD_fruitbat

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, easterling77 said:

I'm relativly new to DCS and I went there for the Hind and - hopefully in the not so far future - the Phantom.

 

Now, I'm quite confident in flying and terrain mascing but hovering and landing still scares the shit out of me.

Hovering and landing feels to me like a constand dance on a blade - sudden death allways not far away.

 

Just a couple of minutes ago I flew the patrol mission on Caucassus map and managed to land in this tiny industrial area, smiling over my achievement?

Hind was not made for hovering and vertical landings and takeoffs. 
They managed to operate in Afghanistan at altitude and heat with reduced payload and running takeoffs. 
So in that regard it is understandable to look at it as problematic. Keep decent under 5 with slow forward speed. When coming to base start reducing speed early and 

keep an eye what way wind is blowing. 
I am only in DCS for choppers. Planes is kind of a bonus and scenic flights 

[Guest deleted@83466]

The Mi-24 might be a very difficult first helicopter in DCS, because it’s more like an IL-2 with a too-small rotor attached to the top.  I’ve come to like it, finally, but with a careless landing approach, it’s so easy to get in trouble and then you might as well be flying a lawnmower.  It’s my go to helicopter right now though, and I’m having lots of fun with it.  Primitive fire control system, but the pipper is still good enough to hit a vehicle out to 3000m with a couple of unguided rockets or cannon fire…as steady as a fixed wing aircraft during the attack run.  I wussed out on the Apache, for the time being, but maybe someday I’ll get back to it.  I buy too many aircraft during sales and don’t learn enough of them.

[easterling77]

Thanks for the responses.

 

I read, that the Hind would be difficult - especially the aspect of vertical operation and hovering but I wanted it. 

Can't tell why but I just find it soo cool? 

 

Maybe I'll get other Helis in the future but Phantom first and I'm kinda worried about to much crates at a time - not gifted enough to master to many things at a time

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by easterling77

[Lusekofte]

18 minutes ago, easterling77 said:

Thanks for the responses.

 

I read, that the Hind would be difficult - especially the aspect of vertical operation and hovering but I wanted it. 

Can't tell why but I just find it soo cool? 

 

Maybe I'll get other Helis in the future but Phantom first and I'm kinda worried about to much crates at a time - not gifted enough to master to many things at a time

 

 

It is by far the most fun chopper you can fly. It’s automated sight let you be pretty accurate with unguided rockets and cannon. Front cabin is easy to operate but I let Petrovich take care of business. 
man’s it do look like a monster. It’s new campaign let you fly comandoes to battle. 
I loved that old Hind game. And waited for this for years. Mastering Hind give you competence on the MI 8 as well    A loaded MI 8 is also pretty much a handful. 

[Gambit21]

12 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Depending on your standards. 
I was flying it after a two month brake in that new campaign. It pretty much sits in your fingers if flown much. A little more movement during hoover in the start. 
What really pissed me off was lawndarting it due to too fast decent in bad weather and fierce enemy fire. 3 times in a row. 
Now that is rookie fresh pilot mistake. 
The lazy engine of that thing , but still I get a feeling it might be the most authentic and realistic chopper in DCS. I really would like to hear what a real Huey pilot had to say about it

 

I am now following golf on TV , after a life long bad attitude against that sport. My new respect for it came when I actually tried it. 
And wisely never again trying 

Balancing a salt shaker on a single grain of salt isn’t easy either, but that doesn’t make it a sport… especially a spectator sport. ?
 

 

[Lusekofte]

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Balancing a salt shaker on a single grain of salt isn’t easy either, but that doesn’t make it a sport… especially a spectator sport. ?
 

 

I only look at the short version after the match. And we now got a very good golfer in Hovland to follow

[Gambit21]

15 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I only look at the short version after the match. And we now got a very good golfer in Hovland to follow

It’s just tongue in cheek - I’ve always poked fun at anyone who finds watching golf on TV entertaining. My wife thinks me watching race cars go around a track over and over is silly.

[AndyJWest]

33 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

It’s just tongue in cheek - I’ve always poked fun at anyone who finds watching golf on TV entertaining. My wife thinks me watching race cars go around a track over and over is silly.

 

If all they do is run round an oval track for 200 laps and then have a big pile up at the end, it is silly. They could do it in two laps, and leave more time for hotdogs and beer. ?

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

It’s just tongue in cheek - I’ve always poked fun at anyone who finds watching golf on TV entertaining. My wife thinks me watching race cars go around a track over and over is silly.

 

I used to be the same way. Could not stand to see golf on TV and thought it was the silliest game.

Until I retired and moved to a large retirement village with tons of golf courses. Took a few lessons, bought some clubs, and started having a blast.

[BraveSirRobin]

Golf is ok to watch on tv if you like to golf.  I don’t know why people who don’t golf watch it.  Watching golf in person if you like to golf is great.  I’ve been to The Players a bunch of times.  It’s actually almost as interesting watching the pros practice as it is to watch them play.  I also had a chance to go to a meet/greet with Jim Furyk.  It was fascinating listening to an elite pro talking about all things golf.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I think you golf fanatics are sickos.

[Lusekofte]

Wait a minute?

I am not quite sure what happened here. 
Am I the golf fanatic in this room. 
I said I tried it once and got a bit respect for it afterwards. And we got a Norwegian guy right up there with the stars right now, rendering me to see clips in the news. ?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

3 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I said I tried it once and got a bit respect for it afterwards.

 

Well, golfing (and many other sports) and flight simming do have a commonality.  They both seem a lot more fun to do than to spectate.  

I tried showing a friend IL2 one time and I could psychically hear them screaming "NERRRRRDDDDDDDDDD!" at me from the core of their being.  I convinced them to at least try a few minutes of free flight, and they said they still didn't get it 100% but, they could see why I would.  I guess they were just being polite about telling me I was a "NERRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDD!".  ?

[Trooper117]

I'd watch golf if it was a bit more like Rollerball... 

[dburne]

7 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I'd watch golf if it was a bit more like Rollerball... 

 

I so love golf. When we moved to this retirement community (lots and lots of courses) I took lessons bought clubs and started playing. I played three days a week for about 5 years. Absolutely loved it.

 

Now unfortunately I am very ill, and can not play any longer - or at least at this time, may be a chance to play again will have to see. I really, really miss it for sure.

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, dburne said:

Now unfortunately I am very ill

 

Well I hope you get very better, so you can play it again mate!

[dburne]

4 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Well I hope you get very better, so you can play it again mate!

 

Unfortunately that is not going to happen, but I may have a period that I feel good enough to have a play or two again. I sure am hoping so. Thank you so much! Today I could not even work up enough energy for a DCS Hornet flight. Ugh. Going to watch a movie LOL.

Edited October 8, 2023 by dburne

[Guest deleted@83466]

34 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Unfortunately that is not going to happen, but I may have a period that I feel good enough to have a play or two again. I sure am hoping so. Thank you so much! Today I could not even work up enough energy for a DCS Hornet flight. Ugh. Going to watch a movie LOL.

 

Caddyshack?  Just kidding, sorry to hear you’re ill.

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by SeaSerpent

[easterling77]

Sad to hear.

I hope you get some energy back.

 

Best wishes from here

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by easterling77

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, easterling77 said:

Sad to hear.

I hope you get some energy back.

 

Best wishes from here

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much!!

[Gambit21]

54 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I so love golf. When we moved to this retirement community (lots and lots of courses) I took lessons bought clubs and started playing. I played three days a week for about 5 years. Absolutely loved it.

 

Now unfortunately I am very ill, and can not play any longer - or at least at this time, may be a chance to play again will have to see. I really, really miss it for sure.

 

Wishing you the best, and complete, total healing my friend.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

could not even work up enough energy for a DCS Hornet flight. Ugh

This do not sound very good. I really hope you Get well. 
is this illness long term diagnose ?