DCS

[Trooper117]

Right you lot... stop going on about this 109 crap. If DCS suddenly decide to latch onto this style of selling 109's it might take 25 years to get them all!  

[DBFlyguy]

I get there isn't much GB activity.... it is what it is. But, can we just stop talking about GB in this thread? Pretty please? Thanks.

 

 

[Jaws2002]

WOW.  The frame rates more than doubled. ? 

 

I tried three simple missions and in all of them I got a massive boost. The frame rate looks pretty low, but I had some extra eye candy turned on. Either way. I kept the same settings with both single threading exe and multithreading exe.

 

Quick F-16 2 vs 2 ACM. 

single threading exe.

 

 

Multithreading exe.

 

 

Furball D9 vs P-47. Channel map.

Single threading exe

Multithreading exe

 

Mirage F1 CAP+strike, pretty big fight. Syrian map. 

 

Single threading exe

 

Multithreading exe

 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Well this patch has made me switch my stable install to the beta version... tried MT, it's all good so far!

I’ve never bothered with stable.

 

That said there are some known issues with MT - like fog layers for instance. 

[Jaws2002]

Massive improvement overall.

 I'll have to rebalance the GPU/CPU load and everything should be pretty smooth for a while. 

 

[DD_fruitbat]

22 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Massive improvement overall.

 I'll have to rebalance the GPU/CPU load and everything should be pretty smooth for a while. 

 

 

I approve of your choice of planes you used to test!!!!!

 

 

[Gambit21]

Still downloading….

[Jaws2002]

19 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

I approve of your choice of planes you used to test!!!!!

 

 

 

Sexy and fun, all of them. I did take the Mirage 2000 as well, for a quick free flight over Dubai.?

Edited March 12, 2023 by Jaws2002

[BOO]

The only negative (early bugs aside) is the the inability to force true full screen (Alt enter) with MT

 

This  was a real godsend to help keep things smooth at low level that the game’s full screen option can’t achieve in my case. I
 

Hopefully someone will find the magic autoexec line and combo in time as they did before. 
 

 

[dburne]

24 minutes ago, BOO said:

The only negative (early bugs aside) is the the inability to force true full screen (Alt enter) with MT

 

This  was a real godsend to help keep things smooth at low level that the game’s full screen option can’t achieve in my case. I
 

Hopefully someone will find the magic autoexec line and combo in time as they did before. 
 

 

 

I thought we lost that ability a few updates ago?

[Lusekofte]

Well I had some crashes  during loading missions. And lost campaign are unplayable due to graphic issue in cockpit view not in outside view. There are several small issues 

 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

The only negative (early bugs aside) is the the inability to force true full screen (Alt enter) with MT

 

This  was a real godsend to help keep things smooth at low level that the game’s full screen option can’t achieve in my case. I
 

Hopefully someone will find the magic autoexec line and combo in time as they did before. 
 

 

I had no idea about this.  
 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

Full vs Windowed “Full”, never quite understood why one was better, was it because of Vsync or something?

[Gambit21]

I 'think' windowed full allows you to all tab out of DCS and/or allows you to move your mouse to another monitor (which I always do)

 

 

[AndyJWest]

Gratuitous Hornetry

 

 

[BOO]

13 hours ago, dburne said:

I thought we lost that ability a few updates ago?

 

12 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I had no idea about this.  
 

 

12 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Full vs Windowed “Full”, never quite understood why one was better, was it because of Vsync or something?

The ability to Alt Enter was initially lost several patches ago. When some of us asked ED the reply was "working as intended" We persisted and ED provided a line that could be added to the auroexec. With some messing about in the NCP and shortcut properties Alt-Tab was restored alneit in an altered state. I think the 2D players got a solition but the VR players didint with this. The line refers to the  DX11 backend. It only seems to affect some players also. 

 

Whatever DCS does with its own full screen option is not exclusive full screen. The resilt for me and others its that scenes are not evenly paces regardless of the power of the gpu. At an example, I take take the P51 and fly iy over the the forests near Batumi at constance capped 120 fps for the most part dropping into the 90s now and then but the images judders. Outside of MT and with the FSE hack enabled the fps is perhaps 80-75 but the image flow is smooth.  

 

Whilst my 2D world is affected one way, VR platers report theses is more a matter of loosing function in terms of screens etc. 

 

For the past year at least ED has withstood a lot of "man the performance sucks" comments on the forums as new features have arrived. I assume some branch or other in testing was MT and the early results showed what could be acheived which led to something of a relaxed approached. I also assume development of the core features has this in mind. I really hoping the same goes for this and the future introfuction of Vulkan. 

 

In the meantime its a compromise but one, in the round, that has more benefit than disadvantage.

 

EDIT- although im limited to basic messing about using a keyboard to fly, returning the game to a playing config (vsync on, easing off the gas a touch with some of the more demanding settings) I have to say that, in 2D at least, the lack of Alt-Enter is not so apparent and hardly, if at all seen in comparison to before. I presume the huge additional overhead afforded is now giving me a very nice buffer given the low resolution im playing at. Happy camper. 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by BOO
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[Gambit21]

Well…nothing will make you want to stick with WWII faster than looking at the Hornet “Chuck’s Guide” on your lunch break. ?

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

It is kind of funny when you realize that the CliffsNotes version of the included manual is 200 pages longer than the manual!

[Lusekofte]

I always take things one step at the time. 
First disliking the FM

Then disliking the startup

Next is reluctantly touching buttons acknowledging the fact you need to watch some videos. 
Then back to disliking touching buttons, then watching the videos again. Then buttons and wondering wtf I forgot. Then dl Chucks guide. 
Then hit yourself hard. Smack your head twice in the wall, then read more in that manual. Take a tutorial and try again. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

Sometimes, though, some of the planes I’ve been “meaning to get around to”, but never do, are not as insurmountable as I may have made them out to be.  And then, when I finally do, I wonder why I let it sit around for years.   

[dburne]

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

Sometimes, though, some of the planes I’ve been “meaning to get around to”, but never do, are not as insurmountable as I may have made them out to be.  And then, when I finally do, I wonder why I let it sit around for years.   

 

Yeah I know what you mean, that describes me with the Hornet perfectly.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’ve had the A-10 for over 10 years now.  Even bought the ver. 2 for $10.  I learned how to fire a Maverick with the targeting pod all those years ago.  Never learned how to start or navigate.  Easy to fly, but basically didn’t learn it, and never will.  That’s just the way it goes with some planes, but nowadays there is starting to be something for everybody now, maybe even poor wretched Lusekofte, someday?

[Guest deleted@83466]

The KA-50, I bought as a stand-alone game in 2009 or so.  It was all in Russian, and I gave up on that quick.  I bought the version 2 in around 2015, and….it sat there.  Then several years later, one summer, I learned it, to the point I could fly in multiplayer, with really skilled other players, and not make an ass out of myself.  This is kind of the ongoing allure of DCS for me.

[Gambit21]

It’s odd that the Hornet cockpit/textures look so dated now, even to a noticeable extent compared to the Viper. It actually takes me aback a bit if I’ve just been looking at the Viper or Tomcat. The difference to the Viper is more subtle, but it’s enough to jump out at me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

27 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

It’s odd that the Hornet cockpit/textures look so dated now, even to a noticeable extent compared to the Viper. It actually takes me aback a bit if I’ve just been looking at the Viper or Tomcat. The difference to the Viper is more subtle, but it’s enough to jump out at me.

 

I think you’re just hunting for reasons not to start on page 1 and learn the Hornet.

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

Since 2009 I've bought quite a few DCS jet modules but for the life of me just can't get into them. I think they are fascinating but as far as flying them, to me, it appears you are not really flying a plane but instead operating a computer system which is flying the plane.  To me that's just boring.  With warbirds, you physically fly the plane yourself and have to see the enemy in order to attack him instead of looking at him on some computer screen when hi is a million miles away and firing a missile at him.

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I think you’re just hunting for reasons not to start on page 1 and learn the Hornet.

? 

Pretty much

 

 

[BOO]

I have most of the jets and enjoy dipping in and out but the only 2 modules that I return to time after time are the harrier a my head and shoulders favorite, the hip. I find both have a soul the others dont despite their age

 

 

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, BOO said:

I have most of the jets and enjoy dipping in and out but the only 2 modules that I return to time after time are the harrier a my head and shoulders favorite, the hip. I find both have a soul the others dont despite their age

 

 

Thank you. I feel the same. I thought it was just me

The harrier got the western touch but a tad more intuitive system. That made me go pretty far with it until I started aar. 
all my attempt ended by me shooting the tanker down. 
Hip I am a little tired of just now. I flew it too much. Time I spent on it is now used on the Hind. Hind is my personal favorite ride. It got trim like an airplane and easy system. Hind , Huey and Gazelle still give me lot of fun. Learned the Apache and start to tolerate it a little bit

[Trooper117]

7 hours ago, MAJORgoonMADLOU said:

With warbirds, you physically fly the plane yourself and have to see the enemy in order to attack him instead of looking at him on some computer screen

 

Fly the F-86 against the Mig-15... it's old school warbird flying but with a jet engine, plus there is a great campaign for it ''Hunters over the Yalu''.

You only have those .50 cal machine guns... there's also a ground attack phase too if you like moving mud.

[BOO]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

Thank you. I feel the same. I thought it was just me

The harrier got the western touch but a tad more intuitive system. That made me go pretty far with it until I started aar. 
all my attempt ended by me shooting the tanker down. 
Hip I am a little tired of just now. I flew it too much. Time I spent on it is now used on the Hind. Hind is my personal favorite ride. It got trim like an airplane and easy system. Hind , Huey and Gazelle still give me lot of fun. Learned the Apache and start to tolerate it a little bit

The harrier is for some reason the easiest A2A for me - think its fast throttle response and stability are a godsend. The KC130 is pretty easy to line up on. The S3 less so.  Tomcat takes fuel a litre at time when i try despite the probe being out front!

 

I can never get board of the Hip. Learning to finesse transitions accurately and quickly was one of the most engaging times i spent in the sim. Learning to lob grenades the most frustrating!

[DD_fruitbat]

I've been getting back  into the A-10C this last week or so. Been ages since I last flew it. I did have to succumb to reading some of my notes I'd made a while back, and watching the odd videos, as it had been so long.

 

I'd forgotten how much fun it is making things go boom in it, I loaded up with a couple of CBU 105's, 6 Mav's and the rest laser guided rockets. Came back with 79 ground kills on our training server in one sortie!!!!

[DBFlyguy]

By chance, I met a former Navy Hornet (legacy) driver last night at the bible study I just started attending.  We talked about flying for a while, definitely made me miss flying in general and flight sims a bit.... might actually start up DCS again this week.  Maybe finally get a place where I don't feel like a complete "tumbleweed" on multiplayer... eventually ?

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, BOO said:

can never get board of the Hip

I cant Even begin to tell you how long it took me to pick up sling load fast. 
and it do not stuck. Perfection in Mi8 need to be constant mended

I am not bored by the mi8 I just have a break from it

Edited March 14, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Gambit21]

23 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

By chance, I met a former Navy Hornet (legacy) driver last night at the bible study I just started attending.  We talked about flying for a while, definitely made me miss flying in general and flight sims a bit.... might actually start up DCS again this week.  Maybe finally get a place where I don't feel like a complete "tumbleweed" on multiplayer... eventually ?

Nice to hear all of that.

We might have to crew up a Mudhen eventually

 

 

Re-listening to all of Starbaby.

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

Sounds like a plan ?

[dburne]

Holy crap - took a break from the Spit and just did some Hornet flying off of the Super Carrier with the new Multithreading - performance improvement especially on the super carrier was astounding. Very pleased with this.

Edited March 14, 2023 by dburne

[Gambit21]

 

 

A few cold start evolutions...then took off with a double-ugly out of Incirlik

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not as quick to get rolling as the Viper, but not bad.

Next time landing, then carrier ops, then Nav, then dumb bombs I guess if she holds my interest.

 

I can already tell that I'm not going to like cockpit/instrument workflow as well as the Viper as Kev already mentioned.

From what I understand the F-15E is a bit more intuitive than the Hornet...but we shall see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

If you like the F-16 better, and you think it has a better setup, why are you forcing yourself to learn the Hornet instead of the Viper? Maybe you’re already really good at that plane?

 

 

Edited March 15, 2023 by SeaSerpent

[Gambit21]

46 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

If you like the F-16 better, and you think it has a better setup, why are you forcing yourself to learn the Hornet instead of the Viper? Maybe you’re already really good at that plane?

 

 

 

I can start a Viper, navigate, drop dumb bombs and land. That's as much time as I've spent in it.

I like A. carrier ops, and B. the amount of content created at this juncture for the Hornet...so giving her a whirl.