DCS

[Alexmarine]

34 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Corsair??

wait, let’s recap all three possibilities from the least likely to the most likely:

 

1)Corsair dropped

2)Luse just forgot the future tense in his message

3)Luse is just dropping hints that he’s a time traveler, able to jump back and forth between the famous “2 weeks be sure”

 

Edit: ah, completely missed Luse’s response, shame on me wasting too much time on this joke 

Edited March 2, 2023 by Alexmarine

[Lusekofte]

No I just not in the hype train anymore. I have absolutely no confidence at all in anything in DCS will ever be complete. 
I pick what I will do next twenty minutes and do it. And no matter what I do it is all a make do scenario. I am either going online and see if there is anything worth while or do what I did with GB getting freaking tired of it all. In such a manner that it takes years before one muster reinstall it. I can do occasional fast fun in some ww2 modules. And that is what they offer in the future. Nothing new

[Bremspropeller]

2 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

(the La-7 team is reportedly working on a red Cold War jet too so maybe a little support to them is warranted… not like we are getting Il-2 Battle of Berlin anytime soon… sigh…)

 

Any guess which one? Sounds interesting!

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

No I just not in the hype train anymore. I have absolutely no confidence at all in anything in DCS will ever be complete. 
I pick what I will do next twenty minutes and do it. And no matter what I do it is all a make do scenario. I am either going online and see if there is anything worth while or do what I did with GB getting freaking tired of it all. In such a manner that it takes years before one muster reinstall it. I can do occasional fast fun in some ww2 modules. And that is what they offer in the future. Nothing new

 

So wait you only use their modules from the future now?

[Guest deleted@83466]

Lusekofte get a hold of yourself.  Why don’t you play an entertaining game of something not flight simulation, for a change.  There is this thing called Steam.

[Gambit21]

Well one need never wonder if Lusekofte is in fact a "Glass Half Full" or "Glass Half Empty" person.

 

 

[Alexmarine]

6 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Any guess which one? Sounds interesting!

Posted last June on their FB

[Trooper117]

11 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I am either going online and see if there is anything worth while or do what I did with GB getting freaking tired of it all.

 

You are burnt out pilot... you are now officially only to fly a desk from now on........... No, wait....

[Lusekofte]

2 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

You are burnt out pilot... you are now officially only to fly a desk from now on........... No, wait....

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Yes I am burned out desk rider. It sounded more dramatic than it was intended. 
But as always I tend to like modules not getting loved by campaign makers. 
And do not see Corsair as a long term investment against boredom. I can take off and land the yak 52 in carriers. Only difference would be guns with no live opposition and a tail hook. 
I was hoping the Chinook was Vietnam era and with A6 intruder coming and F 4 Phantom it would be a decent Vietnam 

I mean with Vietnam map I can see a lot of fun action. 
But after falling asleep in the mids of A10 training and learned the AH 64 pilot seat with some front seat experience. That chopper still do not appeal to me. Yes I do struggle on long term involvement in this sim. 
I try to find a way to enjoy Rotorheads server. 
I am basically running thin on sims. 
And that is a awful grim future to look at
 

[Archie]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

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Yes I am burned out desk rider. It sounded more dramatic than it was intended. 
But as always I tend to like modules not getting loved by campaign makers. 
And do not see Corsair as a long term investment against boredom. I can take off and land the yak 52 in carriers. Only difference would be guns with no live opposition and a tail hook. 
I was hoping the Chinook was Vietnam era and with A6 intruder coming and F 4 Phantom it would be a decent Vietnam 

I mean with Vietnam map I can see a lot of fun action. 
But after falling asleep in the mids of A10 training and learned the AH 64 pilot seat with some front seat experience. That chopper still do not appeal to me. Yes I do struggle on long term involvement in this sim. 
I try to find a way to enjoy Rotorheads server. 
I am basically running thin on sims. 
And that is a awful grim future to look at
 

The best sim time for me I think was squad flying in 110's in Cliffs. I've lost a lot of the passion for sims, and gaming in general over the last couple of years, but that's after nearly three decades of doing it. So, I now just do it occasionally, and accept that I don't think the addiction I once had will ever come back.

[Talisman]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

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Yes I am burned out desk rider. It sounded more dramatic than it was intended. 
But as always I tend to like modules not getting loved by campaign makers. 
And do not see Corsair as a long term investment against boredom. I can take off and land the yak 52 in carriers. Only difference would be guns with no live opposition and a tail hook. 
I was hoping the Chinook was Vietnam era and with A6 intruder coming and F 4 Phantom it would be a decent Vietnam 

I mean with Vietnam map I can see a lot of fun action. 
But after falling asleep in the mids of A10 training and learned the AH 64 pilot seat with some front seat experience. That chopper still do not appeal to me. Yes I do struggle on long term involvement in this sim. 
I try to find a way to enjoy Rotorheads server. 
I am basically running thin on sims. 
And that is a awful grim future to look at
 

 

Do not worry about Rotorheads, just fly the Huey on the Enigma Cold War server and you should find some satisfaction.  Please find link to video below:

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[SCG_motoadve]

24 minutes ago, Archie said:

The best sim time for me I think was squad flying in 110's in Cliffs. I've lost a lot of the passion for sims, and gaming in general over the last couple of years, but that's after nearly three decades of doing it. So, I now just do it occasionally, and accept that I don't think the addiction I once had will ever come back.

Get a Varjo Aero headset and a 4090 and it will come back.

[unlikely_spider]

16 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Get a Varjo Aero headset and a 4090 and it will come back.

"Just spend $4000 US and you'll have fun... I promise"

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[SCG_motoadve]

Just now, unlikely_spider said:

"Just spend $4000 US and you'll have fun... I promise"

?

Actually more, you need a fast processor too ?

[AndyJWest]

If you aren't enjoying a hobby, spending more money on it rarely helps. Take a break from it. Do something else. The itch will probably come back soon enough.

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

 

Yes I am burned out desk rider. It sounded more dramatic than it was intended. 

 

Ok...but then.... ?

 

6 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

 

I am basically running thin on sims. 
And that is a awful grim future to look at
 

 

Get a grip my man.

There is plenty to do in DCS...and last resort you can crack the editor open.

 

 

 

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

I get getting bored with flight sims... I'm kinda there currently especially with GB, for several reasons...but seriously... just find something else to do.  Jump into another game genre (tac shooters...RTS...adventure/action etc)..I've been enjoying the heck out of Ready or Not, Gunner Heat PC and Squad lately!  Or.... try a new hobby not tied to gaming for a bit?  The constant "sky is falling" lamentations aren't helping anyone.

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by DBFlyguy

[Lusekofte]

I have absolutely no intention to spend a dime on 4090 nor varjo. 
I try to find some secondary modules to enjoy. I guess F 4 Phantom and A6 Intruder will work magic

[Hoots]

PHANTOM! Even greater than TOMCAT!

[Alexmarine]

10 minutes ago, Hoots said:

PHANTOM! Even greater than TOMCAT!

Reject modernity

 

Return to Hellcat

[DD_fruitbat]

2 hours ago, Hoots said:

PHANTOM! Even greater than TOMCAT!

 

Controversial ?

 

But I bet phantom pilots didn't need to play volleyball to be 'cool'?

[Gambit21]

42 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Controversial ?

 

But I bet phantom pilots didn't need to play volleyball to be 'cool'?

Indeed…nor did they require ACM instruction from a civilian, non-pilot female.  Anyway there’s no time for volleyball nonsense when you have a massage scheduled with your favorite Thai girl. 
 

 

The F-4 is manly men doing manly things in manly ways - bring it on.

 

 

[SCG_Tzigy]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2023-03-03/

 

bring it pls!!!!!

[DBFlyguy]

45 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Controversial ?

 

But I bet phantom pilots didn't need to play volleyball to be 'cool'?

Phantom pilots didn't have time for volleyball, they were too busy getting gun tracked by literally everybody who's turn circle wasn't the size of Texas....

 

 

 

?

 

Robin Olds and Chappie James both loved the Phantom though... so by default it'll always be a cool jet in my book, just not something I'd pick over a Tomcat...Viper...Eagle...Hornet...

[DD_fruitbat]

3 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

Phantom pilots didn't have time for volleyball, they were too busy getting gun tracked by literally everybody who's turn circle wasn't the size of Texas....

 

 

 

?

 

Robin Olds and Chappie James both loved the Phantom though... so by default it'll always be a cool jet in my book, just not something I'd pick over a Tomcat...Viper...Eagle...Hornet...

 

Its got history on its side, iconic planes need iconic confrontations, something the phantom has over all the planes you listed.

 

I say that as a Viper fan boy.

 

But that in turn means its the Vietnam era phantoms I'm really interested in,  not the 80's versions.

 

I lol'd at the turn circle reference ?

[Gambit21]

21 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

…just not something I'd pick over a Tomcat...Viper...Eagle...Hornet...

Ahh yes, the vaunted, unequalled Tomcat Viper Eagle Hornet…no reason to fly anything else. I just hope ED models it someday.

 

 

 

Anyone can pull stick-to-stomach in that, ride the limiter and stay flying…the Phantom (and Tomcat) take skill. 
Man planes. ?

 

 

[AndyJWest]

Lots of things take skill. Doesn't necessarily make doing them a good idea. Ever seen a Harley-Davidson doing motocross? I suspect that trying to turnfight in the Phantom will feel something like that... ? 

[Gambit21]

26 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Lots of things take skill. Doesn't necessarily make doing them a good idea. Ever seen a Harley-Davidson doing motocross? I suspect that trying to turnfight in the Phantom will feel something like that... ? 

Hey if everyone is on a Harley it’s good times. ?

 

The F-4 actually was on par for it’s day. The F-16 came along and just changed the whole game.

 

The Viper and Hornet are 21st century F1 sleds with traction control. Fun if that’s your thing - but no “Tiger by the tail” thing happening. The F-4 is a Ferrari 312T. 

 

 

[Rei-sen]

Meh, non-WWII era jets..

[Guest deleted@83466]

The F-4 is as classic to me as any other American, but one look at its performance charts makes my jaw drop at how bad a turner it really was, especially at altitude.  That said, the DCS AI F-4 you typically fight in any Mig-21 quick dogfight seems to turn a lot better than the real numbers actually look, so we’ll see.

 

(the F-4 AI in a quick dogfight is in completely clean configuration for a guns dogfight, but so is the MiG)

Edited March 4, 2023 by SeaSerpent
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[Gambit21]

12 minutes ago, Arthur-A said:

Meh, non-WWII era jets..

 

[DD_fruitbat]

50's and 60's pilots and planes imo were the ultimate hardcore skill level, especially carrier aircraft. 

 

Jet engines that were slow in responsiveness,  faster approach speeds,  none of the modern toys to help. 

 

Accident figures unfortunately reflect this.

 

Therefore,  early f4 > f14 etc in awesomeness,  despite being fairly fugly!!!

[MiGCap]

4 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Phantom pilots didn't have time for volleyball, they were too busy getting gun tracked by literally everybody who's turn circle wasn't the size of Texas....

?

Robin Olds and Chappie James both loved the Phantom though... so by default it'll always be a cool jet in my book, just not something I'd pick over a Tomcat...Viper...Eagle...Hornet...

 

 

Pic was incomplete:

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

That’s an awesome perspective,but I hope it wasn’t that bad! ?

[Gambit21]

30 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

That’s an awesome perspective,but I hope it wasn’t that bad! ?

 

An exaggeration, but not as much as you might hope.

An Immelmann was a 10,000 ft evolution.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

 

I hate to say it, but I think that in DCS multiplayer, the poor Phantoms are going to be eaten alive by Viggens.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

I was in Enigma servers yesterday. Viggen’s got slaughtered by Mi 24’s

[Sgt_Joch]

Well if you want to find out how well Phantoms did in combat over Vietnam, the best book on that is “Clashes” by Marshall Michel.

 

The F4 was not a dogfighter, big, heavy, unmaneuverable, it could be out turned horizontally by every Mig the NVAF had, most had no guns and unreliable missiles. However pilots did find ways to play with its strengths, namely a powerful radar and two sets of eyes which usually gave the crews better situational awareness. The MIG21 for example had very poor view out of the cockpit and relied almost exclusively on GCI for combat info which put it at a big disadvantage in a fluid dogfight.

 

In terms of tactics, one thing that was figured out was that the F4 fought better in the vertical plane. On full afterburner, it could usually climb higher and faster than most Migs. It would then loop and coming down was often in a good firing position if the Mig had tried to follow.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Sgt_Joch

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Sgt_Joch said:

The F4 was not a dogfighter,

 

It was…and it did. That’s an often repeated fallacy. No it wasn’t an F-16, but neither was the MiG 17 a MiG 29.

 

2 hours ago, Sgt_Joch said:

big, heavy, unmaneuverable, it could be out turned horizontally by every Mig the NVAF had, most had no guns and unreliable missiles. However pilots did find ways to play with its strengths, namely a powerful radar and two sets of eyes which usually gave the crews better situational awareness. The MIG21 for example had very poor view out of the cockpit and relied almost exclusively on GCI for combat info which put it at a big disadvantage in a fluid dogfight.

 

 

Yes - in those dog fights with the f-4

 

2 hours ago, Sgt_Joch said:

In terms of tactics, one thing that was figured out was that the F4 fought better in the vertical plane. On full afterburner, it could usually climb higher and faster than most Migs. It would then loop and coming down was often in a good firing position if the Mig had tried to follow.

 

 

Yes - those are called dog fights.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I spent a bit of time in the F-14, and found that the multi crew thing (either human or Jester) can just as easily be a liability as an asset.  If the teamwork is less than stellar, then you’ve got two guys in an airplane who both hope the other one knows what’s going on, but neither do.   I watched one of those tapes from one of the Gulf of Sidra incidents, and even with these highly trained professionals, it seems like there are some communication problems.  I guess these modern look-down radars, operated by one finger on the hotas have spoiled me.

 

(The F-15E doesn’t worry me as much about this, because almost everything can be handled by one person up front, and because of modern MFD’s, someone who is mainly a pilot, can probably jump in the backseat while their buddy flies, and do the wso stuff a lot easier than they could jump in back and operate the AWG-9 as a RIO (at least I’m hoping that theory holds true).

Clashes..I read it a while ago and was amazed at how bad our missiles were back then.  And in order to fire these awful things within their narrow little parameters, you have to achieve them first, which maybe the F-4 wasn’t the best plane to do that.

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by SeaSerpent