DCS

[Lusekofte]

Well JU 87 G flew over Stalingrad according to GB. 
I care less about loadout, what bothers me is he levelled his ground targets successfully, then climbed , then shot down two fighters, then decimated the bombers. 
that is the lumber in own eye. 
In reality ai, dm and weaponeffect , in this gunners got a long way to go in order to be realistic both in DCS and in special GB

DCS got no ww2 planes of interest to me. I tried. 
GB got some self ignition specimens I would liked, that burst into flames just looking at an enemy. 

None of these games is winners when it come to we 2

[Trooper117]

I really enjoy the DCS WWII stuff so it's not all doom and gloom at my end...

[dburne]

23 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I really enjoy the DCS WWII stuff so it's not all doom and gloom at my end...

 

Same here.

[Lusekofte]

34 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I really enjoy the DCS WWII stuff so it's not all doom and gloom at my end...

I am not saying that , but this inter game war make no sense, they are not perfect anyone of them.

I will not take dcs ww2 stuff seriously until they got bombers, first out is lanc

Edited February 18, 2023 by Lusekofte

[dburne]

29 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I am not saying that , but this inter game war make no sense, they are not perfect anyone of them.

I will not take dcs ww2 stuff seriously until they got bombers, first out is lanc

 

Just because one likes or even maybe prefers DCS's WWII does not really constitute an "inter game war"...

I fully support both DCS and IL-2 for WWII just of late I enjoy DCS now more for my WWII action. But both provide an excellent arena for WWII sim flying action.

[SCG_motoadve]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

I really enjoy the DCS WWII stuff so it's not all doom and gloom at my end...

Absolutely enjoying them , each one of them are super detailed and a delight to fly, the campaigns are very immersive, I like the DM and FM a lot more than in IL 2, hit effects, fires, smokes and maps are superior too , take offs and landings feel realistic and are challenging.

Performance and graphics with the Varjo Aero and 4090 are better too.

DCS MP is not dead and its a lot of fun, but is not IL2, this is where IL2 beats it  by far but I cant stand IL2 DM, first bullet pilot kills, bombers explode with a very short burst of MG, planes are floaty and not realistic, landings and take offs are boring all of that gives IL2 an arcade feel in its current state , I feel a couple of years ago IL2  was a better sim, now almost feels like an arcade game.

AI both suck, the one in DCS cheats and that makes it more challenging to dogfight, so you dont end up with 8 kills in each quick mission and you dont get 6 pilot kills in a row like in IL2. (although I find the DCS pilot a bit hard to kill)

Hope IL2 gets better , but I doubt they will work on DM, and FM, maybe the next module.

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by SCG_motoadve

[Lusekofte]

I am not saying people can not enjoy it. But it is no more realistic than Gb. Just different and more complex planes. In my point of view most realistic ww2 sim is by far clod. But it also far from perfect. 
Any future ww2 flying I do would be there. I might enjoy Lancaster if there be a campaign for it. 
AI is no good spotting even worse than Gb 

man it really need ambition 

[ROCKET_KNUT]

I´ll admit, I´m late to the party, so forgive me my dumb question: What is so wrong about the 15E carrying bombs and rockets at the same time?

IIRC, the whole point of the platform is to be able to do both, to kill air and ground targets in the same mission, isn´t it?

[Guest deleted@83466]

I can’t say I’m particularly enthusiastic when I hear of “new” things in IL-2 such as Flying Circus 3.  It’s just not where my interests are.  I haven’t done DCS PvP multiplayer in a long time, but I’m thinking it might be time to look back into it.  I probably have a lot of work to get my skills back in shape on any airplane, in order to do that.

[SCG_motoadve]

44 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I am not saying people can not enjoy it. But it is no more realistic than Gb. Just different and more complex planes. In my point of view most realistic ww2 sim is by far clod. But it also far from perfect. 
Any future ww2 flying I do would be there. I might enjoy Lancaster if there be a campaign for it. 
AI is no good spotting even worse than Gb 

man it really need ambition 

Have you tried landing and taking off on any of the warbirds with no assist? You need to select special, your plane, then assist to 0, then compare it to IL2.

No comparison , I am able to take off in IL2 in the 109 without touching the rudder pedals, try that in DCS, and no way you can make it.

I am a real tailwheel pilot , also fly real warbirds, IMHO DCS had done a great job with the FMs.

Edited February 18, 2023 by SCG_motoadve

[dburne]

39 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I am not saying people can not enjoy it. But it is no more realistic than Gb. Just different and more complex planes. In my point of view most realistic ww2 sim is by far clod. But it also far from perfect. 
Any future ww2 flying I do would be there. I might enjoy Lancaster if there be a campaign for it. 
AI is no good spotting even worse than Gb 

man it really need ambition 

 

Not really sure on that no more realistic comment, as far as realism I would have to give a slight nod to DCS mainly due to all the switches and buttons one can use in the aircraft. Granted that is not for all folks by any means, but it is more "realistic". 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I presume that the IL-2 aircraft have some intentionally downplayed physics in order to make the game easier and more accessible to more casual users, but I’ve never seen it confirmed that this was a design decision.  In DCS, you can really “feel” those forces on the aircraft.

Edited February 18, 2023 by SeaSerpent

[SCG_motoadve]

41 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I presume that the IL-2 aircraft have some intentionally downplayed physics in order to make the game easier and more accessible to more casual users, but I’ve never seen it confirmed that this was a design decision.  In DCS, you can really “feel” those forces on the aircraft.

I think this might be the target player they look for.

In IL2 you can jump to any airplane take off , fight and land.

In DCS you need to know your airplanes systems and flight characteristics more or less to be able to take off fight and land.

IL2 I was looking forward to fuel management, but not happening, FM and DM are quite simple though.

 

[MeoW.Scharfi]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Have you tried landing and taking off on any of the warbirds with no assist? You need to select special, your plane, then assist to 0, then compare it to IL2.

No comparison , I am able to take off in IL2 in the 109 without touching the rudder pedals, try that in DCS, and no way you can make it.

I am a real tailwheel pilot , also fly real warbirds, IMHO DCS had done a great job with the FMs.

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by MeoW.Scharfi

[LukeFF]

19 hours ago, CountZero said:

LOL yes they should take BoX way of doing it, with mc202 with 20mm gunpods, 234 with 20mm gunpods and so on... 

 

Which both existed in real life. Any other pearls of wisdom you'd like to share with us?

2 hours ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

I´ll admit, I´m late to the party, so forgive me my dumb question: What is so wrong about the 15E carrying bombs and rockets at the same time?

IIRC, the whole point of the platform is to be able to do both, to kill air and ground targets in the same mission, isn´t it?

 

The Fw 190 could not carry both bombs at the rockets at the same time, due to the way the flight stick and other electrical wiring was configured. In the video above, he's carrying 4x 20mm cannons + 2x 13mm machine guns so that's:

 

-One trigger for the MGs and inner cannons

-One trigger for the outer cannons

-One trigger for bombs or rockets. There wasn't any way for a plane to carry both items, because there was no in-cockpit control panel allowing the pilot to switch between one type of ordnance or another.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

DCS had done a great job with the FMs.

I never discuss fm, I talk about 1 single FW 190 winning the war by its own. I flown my share just for the flying. I do not like fighting in them. But the pacage ww2 is in my point of view half harted and liking it is a make do thing

Edited February 18, 2023 by Lusekofte

[LukeFF]

16 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Luke’s soul is just very resistant to becoming a member of the DCS Collective.  But resistance is futile.

 

I own a handful of DCS modules but it just isn't my thing at the end of the day. ?

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Robli]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

One trigger for bombs or rockets.

 

I am definitely not an expert of these wirings, but are you sure that it was not one trigger for bombs and rockets, the way DCS has done it? In IL2 you have to map bombs and rockets separately, but in reality it is the same button and in DCS you map that button. In IL2 you can also carry a fuselage bomb and wing bombs and drop them using the same button, so why would that wiring not work for launching fuselage bomb and wing rockets? 

P.S. There is also a separate switch in cockpit to arm the rockets, also modeled in DCS.

Edited February 18, 2023 by Robli

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I can’t say I’m particularly enthusiastic when I hear of “new” things in IL-2 such as Flying Circus 3.  It’s just not where my interests are.  I haven’t done DCS PvP multiplayer in a long time, but I’m thinking it might be time to look back into it.  I probably have a lot of work to get my skills back in shape on any airplane, in order to do that.

If I get there, it will be Cold War only.

 

[Lusekofte]

28 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

If I get there, it will be Cold War only.

 

I am in for a flight in the Mig 15. Such a cool plane. I might one day try out a Korea server if it exist

Edited February 18, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I am in for a flight in the Mig 15. Such a cool plane. I might one day try out a Korea server if it exist

I’m a huge MiG fan.

The problem is that I started in DCS with the Tomcat, and I find it difficult to look at older cockpits/models now.

Plus - no Korea.

 

Definitely will put some time into the MiG later to spar with the F-4’s.

Vietnam is coming.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Yes I find I need something off choppers. 
I might take on the Mig 21 and see if I can do something with it. I mean those F 4 need something to shoot down

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Yes I find I need something off choppers. 
I might take on the Mig 21 and see if I can do something with it. I mean those F 4 need something to shoot down

I’m going to wait until it’s updated, but yeah appeals to me too.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I intend to do the F/A-18 in online PvP before I die. Then maybe I’ll go back to MiGs. 
 

p.s. Lusekofte, very first time I went on a Korean War server in the Mig-15, I got a Sabre. I was on Cloud Nine until I crashed on landing, because I’d only had the plane for a day or two, but if you can hold your own in IL-2 MP, you can do it in the Sabre or the Mig too.

 

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by SeaSerpent

[Trooper117]

10 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I might take on the Mig 21 and see if I can do something with it. I mean those F 4 need something to shoot down

 

There is the Mig 19p as well remember... all that's needed now is the Mig 17 for enemy forces in Vietnam.

[Lusekofte]

I got Mig 15, 19 and 21 only used for flying around in the maps. I am just a dreadful fighter pilot. I get these 

 sudden fits of boredom if nothing happen and get very unfocused. I am a good wingman if lead is that staying focus type. 
This is why I prefer ground pounding. 
It is a task and it is  no ifs and buts. Blast it and go home. And survive 
 

[Guest deleted@83466]

Has the sun come up yet?

[Gambit21]

 

More low-level testing over the Nellis range.

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Has the sun come up yet?

oh yes

[Gambit21]

I’ve been fighting a bout of “I’m going to learn the Hornet!” 24 hour bug I think…mostly passed now.
 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

It keeps calling out to you though, and you really want to…?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ve been fighting a bout of “I’m going to learn the Hornet!” 24 hour bug I think…mostly passed now.
 

 

 

Probably same fit I get occasionally, just look at the geeks actually flying it?, then it will pass , I promise 

 

Do you have to enter your mission path like in the Apache in Hornet? 
I usually sit in pain a long time just to get around doing simple office work, and the AH 64 give me the same feel

Edited February 21, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Hoss]

To much to do...... I don't enjoy the sensation of flying while I enter data into computers. After working on USN Avionics systems for 44 years I'd rather relax and fly. 

[Gambit21]

Yeah - bring on the F-4.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’m writing this post out on paper, and handing it to my secretary, Miss Jester, to type up on her Coronamatic and fax it.

[unlikely_spider]

5 hours ago, Hoss said:

To much to do...... I don't enjoy the sensation of flying while I enter data into computers. After working on USN Avionics systems for 44 years I'd rather relax and fly. 

With the Hornet, you get all the enjoyment of entering data into computers, but due to its state-of-the-art fly-by-wire system, none of the sensation of actually flying!

 

Unfortunately though there are many good campaigns for it (thanks to the likes of Baltic Dragon and others) so it's worth learning if you want to get into those. But for something that actually feels like flying a plane and fine-tuning your stick and rudder skills, look elsewhere.

[Guest deleted@83466]

You guys are full of s@#t 

 

???

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by SeaSerpent
added screenshot

[Lusekofte]

8 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

You guys are full of s@#t 

 

???

 

You are not helping cure my fits. 
My reluctance towards this bird is mostly maintenance schedule.  
If I learn it, it require maintenance flights at least every second day for god know how long to make it stuck for a duration of one month. 
This means you need to be sure, really wanting to spend that amount of time with it. 
Apart from launch and a very procedure filled landing approach and fiddling weapon system it bring little to my interest

[AndyJWest]

If there had been combat simulators in the medieval era, the old-timers would probably have spent all their time telling each other that these new-fangled gunpowder-weapons had taken all the fun out of it, and things were much better in the days of boiling oil and trebuchets. ?